Infinite Tsukomi Counter

[AlphaScythian]

It's about naruto utilizing the Gudodama for IT (when he gets experience like Obito and Madara)

Black zetsu didn't use intangibility, they would of noted that from the beginning.

Would've noted that how?

 

[VongolaX]

Yes, but Obito was still exposed to the light even with Black Zetsu, so you'd essentially be saying that as long as you're simply touching a Truth-Seeking Sphere, that it'd make you immune. Not to mention that they only erase nin-jutsu, so you'd also be theorizing that it nullifies any attempts at gen-jutsu.

TSB doesn't erase ninjustus, naruto and Madara has not shown that in the least.

That technique is called omyoudon.

For black zetsu he merged, and he was in control of the unconscious body.

Since naruto's Gudodama does not function in the same way(or have a mind of its own), a 360 degree coverage is the best suit for it.

 

[10th]

It's about naruto utilizing the Gudodama for IT (when he gets experience like Obito and Madara)

Black zetsu didn't use intangibility, they would of noted that from the beginning.

Great thread bro, you deserve most of the credit.

And this was gonna be my response, not mention the other "creations" like spiral zetsu weren't effected as well. Could be because they (atleast white zetsu) was already a byproduct of kaguyas MT, but I also think that it negates the possibility of bz using ghost mode to escape.

It would have been shown or stated, maybe with rays going through his body or something. We clearly saw the black staff being made from his skin as well. I think there is more than a chance at what VariaBoss is saying is true.

 

[VongolaX]

Would've noted that how?

If he was intangible or not, he pierced madara with that same hand you know.

 

[AlphaScythian]

If he was intangible or not, he pierced madara with that same hand you know.

Which was after IT was cast and is the same arm that stopped executioners blade neg diff?

 

[VongolaX]

Great thread bro, you deserve most of the credit.

And this was gonna be my response, not mention the other "creations" like spiral zetsu weren't effected as well. Could be because they (atleast white zetsu) was already a byproduct of kaguyas MT, but I also think that it negates the possibility of bz using ghost mode to escape.

It would have been shown or stated, maybe with rays going through his body or something. We clearly saw the black staff being made from his skin as well. I think there is more than a chance at what VariaBoss is saying is true.

Sorry I wasn't able to proof read through it, you very well deserve the credit since you figured it out.

Thanks.

Oh the bold part, he used kamui warp to leave dimensions so it couldn't really negate intangible kamui either.

 

[VongolaX]

Which was after IT was cast and is the same arm that stopped executioners blade neg diff?

That's true, the light did finish.

But he was still using that hand to absorb more chakra from the god tree and pouring his will into Madara at the same time naruto and Sasuke were rushing him.

He never phased through Madara while doing so.

 

[10th]

Sorry I wasn't able to proof read through it, you very well deserve the credit since you figured it out.

Thanks.

Oh the bold part, he used kamui warp to leave dimensions so it couldn't really negate intangible kamui either.

We both did

np

I see, thanks for the clarification.

To support the OT
If we think logically here

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We know Sasuke and Naruto freed the world from MT with their combined powers due to the above. We also know that Sasukes rinnegan susanoo was immune to the effects of MT, now wouldn't also make sense that narutos senjutsu (rikidou senjutsu in general) also has a counter to it since having the tailed beast chakra (which has a part in blossming rikidou senjutsu) is one half of the solution to freeing people from MT, the other half being Sasukes rinnegan which is 100% confirmed to have a counter for MT with it's own closed system.

The gudoudama could then logically be Narutos closed system, that shuts of and negates the lights of MT(and to a greater extant a juubis jin as well).

 

[TheSages456]

black zetsu is not made of truth seeker material. the scan you posted shows obito moving black zetsus matter off of his hand so that that the truth seeker could go through his hand.

obito was able to manifest a truth seeker due to him taking six paths senjutsu chakra from madara.


truth seekers do not allow resistance to IT. only the rinnegan allows this due to it being a dojutsu derived from the RinneSharingan.

 

[Scryed]

My guess is that BZ is the reason why Obito was unaffected.

My guess is because IT is Kaguya's power and BZ is her will. Not an actual explanation but my thoughts is that it could've had something to do with it since he did not have a Rinnegan.


I doubt it's because of Kamui's phasing because light doesn't overlap with Obito's body.

 

[VongolaX]

We both did

np

I see, thanks for the clarification.

To support the OT
If we think logically here

Spoiler

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We know Sasuke and Naruto freed the world from MT with their combined powers due to the above. We also know that Sasukes rinnegan susanoo was immune to the effects of MT, now wouldn't also make sense that narutos senjutsu (rikidou senjutsu in general) also has a counter to it since having the tailed beast chakra (which has a part in blossming rikidou senjutsu) is one half of the solution to freeing people from MT, the other half being Sasukes rinnegan which is 100% confirmed to have a counter for MT with it's own closed system.

The gudoudama could then logically be Narutos closed system, that shuts of and negates the lights of MT(and to a greater extant a juubis jin as well).

True, it makes a lot of sense.

Also I notice this too:

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Sasuke's rinnegan can see Madara's chakra, even in the shadow world.

Obito's body is shown being visible, not intangible.


So there's another plus there too

 

[VongolaX]

black zetsu is not made of truth seeker material. the scan you posted shows obito moving black zetsus matter off of his hand so that that the truth seeker could go through his hand.

That's not what happened at all, from what did he form the rikudou staff from?

The same chakra Obito absorbed is the same chakra he gave to Kakashi, and there was no rikudou staff to be seen.

obito was able to manifest a truth seeker due to him taking six paths senjutsu chakra from madara.


truth seekers do not allow resistance to IT. only the rinnegan allows this due to it being a dojutsu derived from the RinneSharingan.

Obito put senjustu into black zetsu, forming the staff.
(That part obviously happened)

The gudodama's being a counter seems like a rational assumption.

Considering that Black zetsu wearing Obito was unaffected by the light.

So much for rinnegan being the only counter .

Kaguya has the sharingan, not rinne sharingan it was a mistranslation.

 

[VongolaX]

My guess is that BZ is the reason why Obito was unaffected.

My guess is because IT is Kaguya's power and BZ is her will. Not an actual explanation but my thoughts is that it could've had something to do with it since he did not have a Rinnegan.


I doubt it's because of Kamui's phasing because light doesn't overlap with Obito's body.

Ya, that's the point.

Black zetsu was the cause of IT negation.

Seeing that black zetsu functions like a Gudodama, Gudodama can work the same as black zetsu when it comes to IT.

 

[10th]

True, it makes a lot of sense.

Also I notice this too:

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Sasuke's rinnegan can see Madara's chakra, even in the shadow world.

Obito's body is shown being visible, not intangible.


So there's another plus there too

Good find bro

That's what I mean as well, it would have been implied and the light would have phased through, no note of it was made.