Inda/Ashura transmigrant power up

[SenseiSama]

I always thought Indra and Ashura's chakra didn't appear until later when the transmigrants actually awaken a new power for their chakra to be used.


In Sasuke's case EMS would've been the power up that led him to awakening Indra's real eye power, his MS was just a fraction of the full potential.

And with Naruto he relied on his parents genes the whole time, it wasn't until he awakened KCM that Kurama's life energy started to rub off Ashura's which led to Ashura's power finally blooming and eventually unlocking BSM, the power that's one step away from RSM.

 

[Genocide]

but if they weren't then they'd be well known for their power

highly doubt hat since there was no system before the villages and the indra and ashura incarnates were probably just the leader of the clan probably inherited the chakra but not as powerful as hashi,madara ect

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

highly doubt hat since there was no system before the villages and the indra and ashura incarnates were probably just the leader of the clan probably inherited the chakra but not as powerful as hashi,madara ect

we've known about powerful shinobi even during the sage of six paths time...that's no excuse

 

[Genocide]

we've known about powerful shinobi even during the sage of six paths time...that's no excuse

only the otsutsuki themselves and indra ashura

 

[SenseiSama]

Agreed. Naruto, Sasuke, Hashirama and Madara should be considered as Otsutsuki reincarnations and not as members of their clans

Now you understand why we use Kaguya when comparing Byakugan to their powers, you can't tell me Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra is an Uchiha power, it's clearly Indra's who was Otsutsuki like Kaguya and got his chakra potency from Kaguya.

 

[Hakke]

Now you understand why we use Kaguya when comparing Byakugan to their powers, you can't tell me Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra is an Uchiha power, it's clearly Indra's who was Otsutsuki like Kaguya and got his chakra potency from Kaguya.

so... you weren't trolling? :|

 

[SenseiSama]

so... you weren't trolling? :|

Nope, Kaguya has Six Path chakra, Indra and Ashura have Six Path chakra, if you're gonna compare potential do so when the users have the same chakra.

 

[kiiro]

Why does no one consider Indra/Ashura a power up?

To me its the most powerful power-up any one can have in this series.

In fact because of this power-up I dont even consider Sasuke, Madara, Hashirama or Naruto members of their respected clans. They aren't truly Uchiha, Senju or Uzumaki. They are birth right shinobi granted the most pristine loans of the sage himself.

Disagree all you like but any one born with the power of Indra / Ashura will be Top 5. Its a power capacity boost given at birth and not earned

Thoughts?

No one is born with Indra or Ashura power up. Yet they are still not that strong.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

only the otsutsuki themselves and indra ashura

aka the relevant people

 

[take it easy]

I disagree . Naruto wont so strong without Kurama and Madara and Sasuke would be blind fodders without ouyside power.

 

[Mellanoma]

Idk why people say this. When did this Manga ever imply that being an incarnate actually gave you some form of tangible power? Being a reincarnate simply means that you possess Indra/Ashura's chakra along with your own natural chakra. Did Hashirama and Madara get weaker when Ashura and Indra's chakra left them? Nope.

What also makes your OP wrong is that Naruto is an Ashura incarnate yet he would be nowhere near the level he is at now had he not been given Kurama.

They aren't even reincarnations in the actual sense of reincarnation. Their chakra simply passess from one descendant to another.

@bold thats hilarious

As for the other statements the manga clearly states that the Sage's sons chakra is powerful. While yes Naruto needed Kurama without Kurama Naruto is still quite powerful. He just lacked the intensive training that Sasuke received

You guys can say what you like but if it isn't true why are the Transmigrants the most powerful in the series UNDER Kaguya and her clansman?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Naruto Sasuke Madara and Hashi are still genetically Uchiha/Senju/Uzumaki so they are members of their clans. Indra/Ashura reincarnates only got as strong as they were through outside powerups. If it wasn't for that MS Sasuke, SM Naruto and MS Madara would obviously be well below the super high tiers and certainly not top 5. Only exception is Hashirama though, he'd still be pretty powerful but it's mainly due to his abnormal kkg which isn't present in any other ashura reincarnate or ashura descended clan.

 

[KidGamer65]

@bold thats hilarious

As for the other statements the manga clearly states that the Sage's sons chakra is powerful. While yes Naruto needed Kurama without Kurama Naruto is still quite powerful. He just lacked the intensive training that Sasuke received

You guys can say what you like but if it isn't true why are the Transmigrants the most powerful in the series UNDER Kaguya and her clansman?

The bold is exactly how it works as shown in the Manga whether you want to accept it or not. The Sage's sons chakra being powerful is irrelevant because that isn't their chakra. Like really, why don't people use common sense around here? If Sasuke and Naruto had Hagoromo's son's chakra as their own chakra this entire Manga they would've eclipsed the power of their contemporaries long before Part 2 arrived. Hashirama and Madara had their own chakra even after Ashura and Indra went on to Naruto and Sasuke.

That's irrelevant. Naruto is the MC and Sasuke is his rival. That's why they are the two strongest people in the series bar God level characters. People knew they'd be the two strongest characters long before this reincarnate business was a thing. Hashirama and Madara are the next two strongest people bar certain characters because they are meant to directly parallel Naruto and Sasuke. Being a reincarnate does not give you tangible power and that is a fact no matter how much you want to deny it.

Yes, Naruto w/o Kurama is powerful. Is he powerful enough to justify your statements though? Nope. Not even close.

 

[Mellanoma]

The bold is exactly how it works as shown in the Manga whether you want to accept it or not. The Sage's sons chakra being powerful is irrelevant because that isn't their chakra. Like really, why don't people use common sense around here? If Sasuke and Naruto had Hagoromo's son's chakra as their own chakra this entire Manga they would've eclipsed the power of their contemporaries long before Part 2 arrived. Hashirama and Madara had their own chakra even after Ashura and Indra went on to Naruto and Sasuke.

That's irrelevant. Naruto is the MC and Sasuke is his rival. That's why they are the two strongest people in the series bar God level characters. People knew they'd be the two strongest characters long before this reincarnate business was a thing. Hashirama and Madara are the next two strongest people bar certain characters because they are meant to directly parallel Naruto and Sasuke. Being a reincarnate does not give you tangible power and that is a fact no matter how much you want to deny it.

Yes, Naruto w/o Kurama is powerful. Is he powerful enough to justify your statements though? Nope. Not even close.

What are you talking about? Hashirama and Madara died BEFORE Naruto and Sasuke were born. Rather you want to believe it or not them being transmigrants are the main reason they are so powerful.

Madara was canonically revived stronger than his prime and Hashirama was revived weaker than his prime. Edo based on manga states you are revived at the point of which you died so them being revived would mean they still have the advantages of being Ashura/Indra incarnates.

As for your statement about Naruto and Sasuke being stronger than everyone else I never said it automatically made them more powerful. It simply made their capacity for being powerful much larger. This is why Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto all became the most powerful in their era. Because their capacity was much higher than others. This capacity was a gift for being Indra/Ashura incarnates. No other character in this series could train equally to them and reach their level of power. It just wouldn't happen based on manga. People argue Izuna = Madara but I believe that is BS

 

[KidGamer65]

What are you talking about? Hashirama and Madara died BEFORE Naruto and Sasuke were born. Rather you want to believe it or not them being transmigrants are the main reason they are so powerful.

Madara was canonically revived stronger than his prime and Hashirama was revived weaker than his prime. Edo based on manga states you are revived at the point of which you died so them being revived would mean they still have the advantages of being Ashura/Indra incarnates.

As for your statement about Naruto and Sasuke being stronger than everyone else I never said it automatically made them more powerful. It simply made their capacity for being powerful much larger. This is why Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto all became the most powerful in their era. Because their capacity was much higher than others. This capacity was a gift for being Indra/Ashura incarnates. No other character in this series could train equally to them and reach their level of power. It just wouldn't happen based on manga.

They were revived via Edo Tensei, and that is what I was talking about. Madara and Hashirama were different from when they were alive because Kabuto messed w/ Madara and Edo Tensei under Oro's use wasn't strong enough to draw out his own power. That has nothing to do with being a transmigrant. The bold is also nonsense. You are revived in the physical state you were in when you died. That has nothing to do with a chakra that can only be with one person at a time. If Naruto died and Kurama was resealed elsewhere do you think that Naruto will be able to use Bijuu Mode? No, clearly not. So no, they wouldn't have these benefits even if they existed.

Naruto and Sasuke's peaks have nothing to do with their own capacity. They received Hagoromo's power at the very end of the Manga. Sasuke used Itachi's eyes to increase his power. Naruto used Kurama to increase his power. No other character in the series can train and reach their level of power because:

-Naruto has a Bijuu on his side and was granted power from the second strongest person in the verse and is a descendent of the Uzumaki.
-Sasuke has Sharingan, MS, EMS and also got Hagoromo's power and is an Uchiha.

If other characters had the chance to get these powers then they'd be able to reach Naruto and Sasuke's level. Gai surpassed a pre Hagoromo Naruto and Sasuke by far via the Eighth Gate.

 

[Genocide]

aka the relevant people

exactly, so just some ppl werent relevant in the time period between madara and hashirama doesnt make them fodder, it just means the indra and ashura incarnates of the time didnt have the right context to fulfill the wills of indras/ashuras chakra

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

exactly, so just some ppl werent relevant in the time period between madara and hashirama doesnt make them fodder, it just means the indra and ashura incarnates of the time didnt have the right context to fulfill the wills of indras/ashuras chakra

just because you inherit indra/ashura's chakra does not mean you are automatically powerful

 

[Genocide]

just because you inherit indra/ashura's chakra does not mean you are automatically powerful

no it doesnt, but it means you automatically gain the potential to surpass everyone in your generation

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

no it doesnt, but it means you automatically gain the potential to surpass everyone in your generation

thru training

 

[Genocide]

thru training

yeah i realise that, but what i said is true