In-Depth study: Minato>Itachi

[Ultimatevirus]

itachi = minato .... finish this debate or close it

 

[partha420]

Indeed +rep

 

[fati]

Inside the susanoo is an open area, that is how gaara's sand got inside in the first place. How will itachi stand inside a place that is trapped? Susanoo is around itachi and not inside itachi. So minato can teleport behind itachi some meters away from his kunai as long as gaara's sand could get inside. :shrug:

Gaara's sand is sand, not a solid body and Tsuchikage made it lighter, so it got inside susanoo just like air

 

[kellzfresh]

Gaara's sand is sand, not a solid body and Tsuchikage made it lighter, so it got inside susanoo just like air

If it was as light as air, it wouldnt pass through the ground.:shrug:
The force of the sand was able to pull madara and throw him, that seems like a it was larger than minato to me. :shrug:

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As far as that huge sand found space inside susanoo, minato is smaller and can find space and get behind itachi :shrug:

 

[choft]

Can the OP explain to me how Minato is able to "sense danger"? You said that he has shown this ability by saving Kushina and Kakashi.

Pure speculation there.

First off, Minato simply saved Kushina because if you remember, Minato and Naruto teleported away from Kushina, leaving her with a stranger wearing a mask. If I left my wife with a stranger, I'm definitely going to come back and save her. It was just by coincidence that Minato managed to save Kushina before she was killed by Kurama.

Secondly, if Minato can "sense danger", why didn't he save Obito. Are you telling me that Minato only put a mark on Kakashi and not the rest of his squad?

 

[x pellias]

need to read well. the mark alerts minato. i've explained it with scans. pls check it again.

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Read the picture. It says the mark alerts Minato WHEN IT FLIES.
And he already knew that Kushina was in danger but he had to save Naruto first.
Your argument that he can sense danger is wrong.
You are really biased on Minato. I'm not saying he isn't awesome, but the only jutsu he has shown is : sealing, summoning, barrier, and ftg.
Itachi jutsu : fire style, exploding clone, tsukiyomi, amaterassu, yasaka no magatami, sword of totsuka, genjutsu,
and people forget to mention that 3 tomoe sharingan is accustomed to extreme speeds, as sasuke showed against Naruto (cloak mode).

 

[choft]

and people forget to mention that 3 tomoe sharingan is accustomed to extreme speeds, as sasuke showed against Naruto (cloak mode).

I don't think 3 tomoe sharingan can follow Minato's speed. Sasuke couldn't follow A's speed, so I doubt Itachi could follow Minato's speed. But I agree with what you said in regards to the OP being wrong about Minato being able to "sense danger".

 

[kellzfresh]

the fact that pretty much all the intelgent members of the base come and proven what this thread can be described best as spectulation, wrong.

says something.

really this is just another bad argument coming from minatos fanbase, once again.

this is nothing more than vs thread posted in the wrong section.

I forgot that pple know when itachi wants to use amaterazu by knowing the air pressure like zetsu.
This means pple will stop saying that if minato looks at the blood to dodge amaterazu, itachi will put minato in a genjutsu :flaw:
Minato doesnt need to look into itachi's eyes to know that amaterasu is coming :shrug:
Itachi fans should prove that the evidence is wrong, and explain how itachi beats minato if
1. minato doesnt look at his eyes as he is smarter than naruto and Guy
2. can space time itachi's attacks back to him
3. can appear some distance away from the kunai, which means he can appear inside susano just like how gaara's sand got inside the susanoo
4. can know when amaterazu is coming by feeling the air pressure just like zetsu did in the itachi vs sasuke fight.
5. Can dodge amaterazu because of fast reflexes and A doged it too.
6. Minato rarely fights hand to hand because he teleports behind pple for kill so catching him in a genjutsu by chance is out of the question cos the opponent wont see him coming
7. Can create a barrier to trap itachi inside, just as he did to the nine tails and just ftg out of it.

I'm not a fan of any, I just think minato was praised as one of the strongest hokages and i dont think itachi meets his level by hype or feats. Itachi fans should defend and prove how itachi beats minato and prove the evidence is wrong and stop saying "fail, fail, fail" :sy:

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

but seriously guys cant we just say minato=itachi and end all these crppy and repetitive threads

THIS.

 

[x pellias]

I don't think 3 tomoe sharingan can follow Minato's speed. Sasuke couldn't follow A's speed, so I doubt Itachi could follow Minato's speed. But I agree with what you said in regards to the OP being wrong about Minato being able to "sense danger".

Actually, I don't think he can follow Minato at all when he uses FTG. Cuz Minato isn't technically moving, he's just teleporting. But otherwise Itachi can see Minato's movements.

 

[choft]

But otherwise Itachi can see Minato's movements.

Maybe. Minato's base speed is incredibly fast too so I don't really know if he could.

 

[x pellias]

Maybe. Minato's base speed is incredibly fast too so I don't really know if he could.

He can definitely follow him in his base speed. Glad to know someone else realized that the OP was wrong about the sensing danger part, he kept on going on and on about it. I don't think he has replied yet, let's see what he says to counter.

 

[choft]

He can definitely follow him in his base speed. Glad to know someone else realized that the OP was wrong about the sensing danger part, he kept on going on and on about it. I don't think he has replied yet, let's see what he says to counter.

Heh, I'm still not sure Itachi can follow Minato's base speed. IMO it can go either way until shown in the manga.

But yeah, the OP is definitely wrong about sensing danger. He took the manga way out of context.

 

[Nadruto]

In my previous thread

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I’ve explained Itachi’s genjutsu and we found out that only Tsukuyomi can actually affect the mind but like other jutsu it also has a drawback. I will now explain Minato’s advantage and skills necessary to defeat a good genjutsu user like Itachi.

In any versus thread as long as Itachi is involved, majority of Itachi‘s fans would try to defend him with these techs: Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo. These are all MS techs.

Minato can sense the presence of danger. He displayed this trait by saving Kushina and Kakashi. Tobi even explained it to Kushina how Minato uses his mark to be able protect her always.

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With the two scans above, it's very clear that Minato can sense danger if the mark is present in any form. Whether it will be on a kunai or in a person's body. With this technique, can't he use it to save himself? He always had the mark so it's possible that he can use this tech to save himself from incoming danger.

AMATERASU: Minato can dodge it easily. A was able to dodge it during his fight with Sasuke. Some will say that the only way to avoid it is by watching the eyes of the caster. Is this true?

Nagato was able to determine that Itachi will use Amaterasu because of the pressure. Remember that Minato is also a sensor and like what i've mentioned earlier his "mark jutsu" alerts him.

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TSUKUYOMI: This technique can possibly turn the tide to Itachi's favor only if he can successfully trap Minato. As they always say, every jutsu has its weakness, Tsukuyomi also has its weakness. The user needs to activate MS to be able to use it and this technique is a close range tech. The scans below shows how Itachi activates his MS

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What's the common sign on the first 2 scans above? Itachi closes his eyes before activating MS. Can't Minato attack when Itachi activates his MS?

SUSANOO: This is Itachi's defense. Some fans always raise the question "how can Minato break Susanoo?" Do you think this is the right question? Does Minato needs to break it? The problem when using these MS techs is chakra consumption. Itachi can't activate this tech long enough to protect himself because it will drain his chakra fast.

The scans below shows Itachi retreating. In a single day, he uses 3 MS techs. The 1st one I believe was during his fight with Kakashi and the last two is when he tried to capture Naruto.

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Speed and FTG can counter amaterasu and tsukuyomi. Not to mention he can sense danger. Minato too is a tactical fighter like Itachi and everyone agrees except idiots. If Kakashi was able to make a clone in fighting Itachi, can't Minato do the same? To be a Hokage, one must know a thousand skills.

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Minato has a large chakra consumption and FTG uses little to no chakra at all that's why he can spam it like in the previous shinobi war

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He also spam his kunai with just one throw. If Itachi managed to deflect all, how many moves do you all think it will take him? If it will cost him an extra move then it's an advantage for Minato. Remember that Minato set things up in all of his fights we've seen. Setting his kunais means to scatter it in the battlefield. Even if Itachi managed to deflect all kunais, Minato's purpose is still in play (scattering kunais)

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Minato appears everywhere near his mark. He can appear at the front, back, or even above his target.

Minato appearing at the front of tobi. Minato hits him at the back so the mark was there. Take a good look at the rasengan. It looks like the mark was incorporated in his chakra.

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Minato appearing at the back after tagging the enemy in his foot.

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Minato appearing above of Tobi

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Space time barrier: Minato can use this to teleport all incoming attacks.

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Minato can also teleport objects even if he's not touching them like what he did here.

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Take a good look at scans above. Minato was on top of Bunta but he was able to teleport Kuruma and the blast to another location. It's very clear that he did not touch Kuruma to teleport him and this is definitely a FACT that we have to count.

So, what's in Itachi's arsenal besides genjutsu that can defeat Minato? Absolutely NONE!! All ninjutsu's will be directed back to him using the space time barrier. Itachi's arsenal will be limited to only genjutsu because he can't afford to engage in a Taijutsu. One mark from Minato then it's over. This is the reason why Itachi fans uses Tsukuyomi as the factor to defeat Minato but is this really easy to catch Minato?

The fact that Minato was known to be a shrewd person can nullify all assumptions made by Itachi fans that Minato will do recklessly in any versus thread. Minato can also summon frogs so it's unlikely that he can't summon ma and pa. He can use food cart destroyer as a diversion for his attacks.

He can seal a person's chakra like what he did to Kushina's chakra, Kurama's chakra and his chakra. Can't he do that to Itachi? He can seal Itachi's chakra to another object. He was able to seal Kurama's chakra so why can't he do the same to Itachi? Remember that Minato knows the Uzumaki special sealing techs.

Lastly, Minato can create a barrier. He was planning on creating a barrier to hold Kurama. A barrier that can hold Kuruma's power must be that strong.

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By the way, since he has a contract with the toads, he can summon the Gourd Toad which can use Toad Gourd Prison. This tech is used to capture and isolate a victim by dragging them into the toad's stomach. The toad's stomach is a cavernous chamber, which includes a lake of strong corrosive gastric acid that can dissolve anything that should happen to fall into it.

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So, how can Itachi counter Minato's techs? Genjutsu again??:scorps:

I must say, this is quite the thorough post, you must have spent quite some time on this! +rep. But then again, I don't really see any reason spending so much time on a thread that you know will only lead to fanboys from each side (Minato/Uchiha) flaming eachother, and the thread will end without any more of an agreement than when you started it. On the other hand, at least I must admit you presented your case pretty well, and have alot of evidence to support your view. I agree with you, even if I don't necessarily agree with each and every claim in your post.

 

[Minator93]

Most people have said that Itachi cannot even sustain Susano'o long enough to fight with it. This is just dumb and a little asinine. He can. To the people saying he'll just go behind him, we have seen Madara's Susano'o having two faces back and front it is not too far fetched to suggest Itachi's Susano'o could do the same he just never needed to. That would mean he is completely covered with Yata Mirror and then cannot be hit. Or since Itachi is smart he'll move away and never turn his back to a kunai.

And I saw your earlier post, I'm asking HOW. He cannot FTG THROUGH Yata Mirror and Susano'o that is just ridiculous just because he FTG's FEET away from a kunai doesn't mean he can travel INTO Susano'o just by getting near it.

It is these arguments that are 1. Annoying and 2. Give Minato fans the reputation they have

Stopped reading after this.

 

[GofOfNothing]

You are doing it every motherf*cking week dont you?

 

[mealexis]

sure he is!!!!

 

[Revan]

I forgot that pple know when itachi wants to use amaterazu by knowing the air pressure like zetsu.
This means pple will stop saying that if minato looks at the blood to dodge amaterazu, itachi will put minato in a genjutsu :flaw:
Minato doesnt need to look into itachi's eyes to know that amaterasu is coming :shrug:
Itachi fans should prove that the evidence is wrong, and explain how itachi beats minato if
1. minato doesnt look at his eyes as he is smarter than naruto and Guy
2. can space time itachi's attacks back to him
3. can appear some distance away from the kunai, which means he can appear inside susano just like how gaara's sand got inside the susanoo
4. can know when amaterazu is coming by feeling the air pressure just like zetsu did in the itachi vs sasuke fight.
5. Can dodge amaterazu because of fast reflexes and A doged it too.
6. Minato rarely fights hand to hand because he teleports behind pple for kill so catching him in a genjutsu by chance is out of the question cos the opponent wont see him coming
7. Can create a barrier to trap itachi inside, just as he did to the nine tails and just ftg out of it.

I'm not a fan of any, I just think minato was praised as one of the strongest hokages and i dont think itachi meets his level by hype or feats. Itachi fans should defend and prove how itachi beats minato and prove the evidence is wrong and stop saying "fail, fail, fail" :sy:

1. minato looked constantly in tobi's face. tobi has a sharingan. maybe minato never fought against the sharingan, in difference to guy.
2. melee-range-attacks dont work against susano'o
3. gaara's sand was already discussed, right? apart from that, the sand was what madara was standing on, so it was already inside susano'o when madara started susano'o.
4. zetsu is a sensor, i think that he senses chakra and chakra rises due to air-pressure. he's a plant after all.
5. a looked him in the eye. i still think that itachi's genjutsus are more of a pain anyway.
6. see 2
7. you mean the thing he blocked tbb with? i thought that it was some kind of "gate" that leads to another place. i dont think that you can catch somebody with that.

btw, i'm neither a minato-, nor a itachi-fan. i only think that fighting against itachi if he's trying to kill is hard, and that susano'o is pretty sick.

 

[Rafeal brown]

You ignored so many factors here dude
you really think minato can fight itachi without eye contact? Lol last time i checked guy was the only person who could fight an opponent without eye contact after countless battle with his number one rival kakashi... Moreover itachi can still put his victims under genjutsu without eye contact

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and this is all assuming minato knows not to løok at itachi's eyes even when he looked at tobi's.... -_- not to mention itachi's explosive clones and super fast handseals.
Cuz i wouldn't be suprised if minato dies trying to tag an explosive clone lol
see how easily he trapped oro in a genjutsu

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he had his back turned and still trapped oro... Oro was at his mercy... Sorry to burst your bubbles but it's gonna take more than ftg and some rasengan to fight itachi xd

 

[F1N1X]

NOT AGAIN

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