I seriously fell out of my chair and strained my 24-cm biceps, and my 12 pack abs. 10/10, you do not argue with USSJ about Itachi.
>tfw zakhaev still solos
why am i still hearing people justify the uchiha genocide?
do you even hear yourselves? calling GENOCIDE heroic and acceptable? a gross and disgusting warcrime that needs to have all perpetrators imprisoned for?
the only way i could see it being SEMI justified and semi acceptable is if every single uchiha was a barbarian fundamentalist nutjob who had never heard of the word surrender.
the mist village was faced with a similar situation of one clan vs a proper military and rather than slaughter kaguya clan in the dead of night like rats, they faced them in honorable battle and beat them easily.
they had to kill them all because other than kimimaro, they were all dumb thug barbarians who loved the concept of dying in battle.
but the uchihas were not evil at all, just desperate revolutionaries driven to rebel by a corrupt government and poor decisions by the hokage. ineptitude is as good a reason to rebel as corruption btw.
they were human beings, albiet soldiers. their coup wasnt some quest to kill as many innocents as posible. they saw it as completely righteous and justified.
so then if things go poorly and they see defeat as inevitable, of course they would give up and surrender. they were scared and desperate to begin with, fearing an inevitable annhilation by senju loyalists.
what konoha obviously didnt understand is that you cant wage a coup with old men and kids. so what need was there to kill THEM? what need was there to do anything but simply make sure that the rebellion lost all its momentum and manpower?
in history, if a city faced a coup, they didnt slaughter them all in the dead of night like rats, and if they did, it was only to kill key ringleaders. hiruzen's behavour in this situation is akin to that of the rest of narutoverses absolute WORST leaders.
yagura, 4th kazekage, hanzo, oro, nagato. i can see them doing something like this. easily. if the truth came out, konoha would forever be known as the blood leaf.
there was so much they could do to avoid any deaths, such as simply let shisui do his plan, or just make fugaku 5th hokage.
even unconditionally surrender. you cant start a huge war if no one dies and no murder happens.
konoha surrendering to any of fugakus demands is the absolute best and most honorable thing hiruzen could have done.
fugakus obviously not evil so its not like he'd start killing prisoners or something.
why couldnt they have taken a few surviving uchihas prisoner?
why couldnt they have surrounded uchiha compound first and actually LET THEM KNOW before killing them?
instead they had itachi sneak into the place like a rat and slit their throats in their sleep. i understand this is the ninja world but konoha is supposed to have a bit more honor and respect for themselves than
they could have defeated uchihas with minimal losses but instead decided to destroy any kind of honor and pride they could have had by not just ordering the killing of kids, but manipulating itachi into taking the fall for what THEY DID.
how can you speak of hiruzen with any kind of reverence when hes a rat who would slaughter hundreds of people in the night, including kids itachi's age, if he felt he could justify it?
if it WAS so heroic and the only thing they could have actually done to stop the uchihas, ask yourself this.
why didnt danzo and hiruzen just ADMIT TO IT. let everyone in konoha know what "heroes" they and itachi are.
fuk sasukes feelings. fuk itachis feelings. konoha deserves to know the truth. lying to them is proof of how corrupt they ultimately actually were. same with itachi. he let his desire to "keep uchiha honor" overpower any respect he has for konoha, konohas laws and their right to know all the facts about their own leaders and clans.
"oh im a scumbag who just ordered a warcrime. better carry that secret to my grave because itachi says so i guess".
if it was truly heroic then obviously the leaf would be called blood leaf but rather just inept ass holes who antagonised an entire pissed off clan till it came to blood and blows.
ask yourself this: what does an action like this set a precedent for? oh right, ninja leaders doing slaughters like this and getting away with it simply because of flimsy justifications.
if danzo truly believed in killing the few to save the many, how come he devoted so many resources to siding with orochimaru and letting him experiment, according to obito? where was his "heroism" then? where was his "necessary means" hen he let nagato butcher thousands of poeple in the hope tsunade would be one of them?
in game of thrones, the freys commit a onesided slaughter to stop a war from killing anyone else. instead they get hated as villains while konoha who did the same thing are "doing whats necessary"? bullshit.