Im really starting to think people are over hyping kamui....

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kamui is so OP one character couldn't even have both the eyes at one time

Yeah, if Obito had both his eyes then he would be unstoppable.

 

[Takos]

if kakashi chooses to warp sasuke he is killed by the incoming arrow he doesn't see. best case scenario for kakashi is a tie

Why is that? Kamui is faster than Susanoo's arrow, which is proved with the fact Kakashi used Kamui to warp it after it was fired.

 

[slimreaper]

Why is that? Kamui is faster than Susanoo's arrow, which is proved with the fact Kakashi used Kamui to warp it after it was fired.

but if he warped sasuke he would warp the arrow that sasuke in character fires off the bat.

kamui isn't really faster it just had the advantage. kamui was fast because he was directly facing the arrow and didn't have to make a big hole for it to go through.

 

[Ovan]

That's if they don't notice it.

 

[Blaze Release]

Kamui is rigged, like any other ms technique.
With info its usage can be restricted. Without info it really gets ugly for anybody.

What however i laugh at is those who say kakashi has managed to use kamui 5 or 6 times.
Yes that may be true, but if my memory is right, kakashi warped relatively small objects during his kamui rampage without kurama's chakra.

Look at it this way. Even with kurama's chakra kakashi still wasn't able to warp the whole hachibi, if my memory is right hachibi lost a tail. Its established that his reserves my himself doesn't allow him to warp something the size of kurama. To put it simple he would need to increase the kamui barrier which is created via chakra. The greater the size of the target the bigger the barrier. The bigger the barrier the more chakra is required.

So while kakashi might have been able to use kamui 5 o6 6 times. this number of times isn't constant.
If he was to warp a human being. Id say the max he could do is 2 or 3 and he would be out.
If he was to warp something something significantly smaller, even smaller items than what he has achieved during his kamui rampage, like a nail he should be able to warp that about 9 times.
Something as big as hachibi, 0 times.

The size of the object will decide how many times he can use kamui in one fight

 

[Bogard]

Kamui is rigged, like any other ms technique.
With info its usage can be restricted. Without info it really gets ugly for anybody.

What however i laugh at is those who say kakashi has managed to use kamui 5 or 6 times.
Yes that may be true, but if my memory is right, kakashi warped relatively small objects during his kamui rampage without kurama's chakra.

Look at it this way. Even with kurama's chakra kakashi still wasn't able to warp the whole hachibi, if my memory is right hachibi lost a tail. Its established that his reserves my himself doesn't allow him to warp something the size of kurama. To put it simple he would need to increase the kamui barrier which is created via chakra. The greater the size of the target the bigger the barrier. The bigger the barrier the more chakra is required.

So while kakashi might have been able to use kamui 5 o6 6 times. this number of times isn't constant.
If he was to warp a human being. Id say the max he could do is 2 or 3 and he would be out.
If he was to warp something something significantly smaller, even smaller items than what he has achieved during his kamui rampage, like a nail he should be able to warp that about 9 times.
Something as big as hachibi, 0 times.

The size of the object will decide how many times he can use kamui in one fight

Only that you forget that 3 of the Kamuis were relatively big. One of them was Gedo Mazo's head(which is probably hundred times as big as a normal human), another was a human size, and the last was a human size as well. So that alone shows how much human size kamui he can use when he is capable to use 5 or 6kamuis with hundred times human size big kamui among them

 

[The Work]

Kamui is one shot holmes

Go through someone it's over with lol

 

[Blaze Release]

Only that you forget that 3 of the Kamuis were relatively big. One of them was Gedo Mazo's head(which is probably hundred times as big as a normal human), another was a human size, and the last was a human size as well. So that alone shows how much human size kamui he can use when he is capable to use 5 or 6kamuis with hundred times human size big kamui among them

It wasn't a success warp though so how can you say he warped it lol

 

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

I agree with OP. If it was as OP as people assume, Obito would've won the war pretty fast.

 

[Bogard]

It wasn't a success warp though so how can you say he warped it lol

He was close to it though(the head almost entirely went through the hole). It didn't succeed only because of Obito, but he still spend chakra in order to create a hole that big. Don't say it as if he didn't spend chakra in using it Lol

 

[Black Wolf]

What however i laugh at is those who say kakashi has managed to use kamui 5 or 6 times.

Kamui 1 = Gedo Mazo's head (dozens of times larger than a human)
Kamui 2 = Raikiri kunai (small)
Kamui 3 = Rasengan (the size of a human head, which is all he really needs to warp)
Kamui 4 = Naruto's BM clone
Kamui 5 = on himself

Thus, your statement right here . . .

Id say the max he could do is 2 or 3 and he would be out.

. . . is false. He warped two human sized objects along with an object several dozen times the size of a human in addition to two smaller Kamuis, eight Raikiri, two shadow clones, and a Doton wall. His max is heads and shoulders above "2 or 3."

It wasn't a success warp though so how can you say he warped it lol

Kakashi expends chakra to create the Kamui barrier. Just because Obito disrupted / nullified the warping process does not automatically give Kakashi back the chakra he pumped out to create the barrier and begin warping Gedo Mazo's head.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I agree with OP. If it was as OP as people assume, Obito would've won the war pretty fast.

He was literally untouchable and not even the fastest character could hit him.Obito soloed five of the most powerful characters in the series and neither one could injure him without Kakashi's Kamui.

 

[Takos]

Bogard and Black Wolf said everything that was to be said, guess I can take a break.

 

[GrayParadise]

People are saying Kamui can one shot anyone and everyone.

It can. It depends on the users' reflexes. The only people who can escape it are Minato, Tobirama, Juubito and debatably Naruto. Everybody else, gonner.

But to me it won't work unless the object or person is traveling straight to kakashi since it has a linear attack based on sight.

Alright, now this is just crap. It's not linear. sharingan lets the user see anything coming, all around them (people who argue 'no that's only what byakugan can do' can blow a big one, sharingan has done it numerous times). So all they have to do is direct their chakra towards that direction, even if it's barely in their peripherals, they just have to see it a little bit. And there's nothing they can do about it.

I think Kamui can easily be avoided as long as the person is on the move or is in the Air.

I was tempted to stop reading right here.
Moving Tsunade can not dodge kamui.
Moving Mei cannot dodge kamui.
Moving Gaara cannot dodge kamui.
Moving Mifune cannot dodge kamui.
Moving Hashirama, cannot dodge kamui and nor can Madara. Simple fact.

And if you're in the air? You strugglin' lil bruh, being airborne makes you even more vulnerable because of how much mobility you've lost than in on ground.

I mean come on guys, Kamui failed to kill diedara while he was in the air. All it managed to do is to absorb one arm.

He couldn't use it efficiently. Obito could.

Also I don't know why people keep saying kakashi can solo everyone with Kamui?

Cus he can lol.

Do they not understand that if he is put up against people who are extremely fast (like raikage and naruto) and people with huge defenses (any susanoo user and or gaara) he won't be able to win?

Raikage, and maybe, MAYBE Naruto, yes. Susanoo? Nah they're dead. Gaara? His sand can't react to it.

Seriously he's either gonna have a hard time landing it and and loose because of the impact MS has on him or he's not gonna be able to absorb the defence to reached the user (Like susanoo).

He can maneuver and manage it more effectively now, and he doesn't have to absorb the ENTIRE Susanoo. That's stupid. He just absorbs the small target on the inside of it.

Also guys kakashi's chakra reserve still doesn't allow him to use his MS much. Please don't forget that he has had Naruto give him allot of chakra to help him out during the fight of Obito.

Innacurate. Kakashi is a chakra beast. He's foughten for over 24 hours, that was why he was having an issue using it. At full chakra, there's no telling what damage he can do.

Or did you guys already forget that mid fight he was already about to die because of chakra drainage before naruto gave him chakra?

Did you forget he was fighting for days, literally?

So please quit claiming he can one shot everyone and everything.

Quit claiming he can't.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Kamui gg = Kakashi wankers

 

[Blaze Release]

He was close to it though(the head almost entirely went through the hole). It didn't succeed only because of Obito, but he still spend chakra in order to create a hole that big. Don't say it as if he didn't spend chakra in using it Lol

Close doesn't equate to a successful warp.
Dunno why something so simple is this hard to understand.

Not saying he didn't spend chakra forming the barrier because he did, however whether an incomplete kamui is just as taxing is another story

Kamui 1 = Gedo Mazo's head (dozens of times larger than a human)
Kamui 2 = Raikiri kunai (small)
Kamui 3 = Rasengan (the size of a human head, which is all he really needs to warp)
Kamui 4 = Naruto's BM clone
Kamui 5 = on himself

Thus, your statement right here . . .

Not really considering the mazo's head wasn't a successful warp.
So yh my point of 5-6 feat is still valid

. . . is false. He warped two human sized objects along with an object several dozen times the size of a human in addition to two smaller Kamuis, eight Raikiri, two shadow clones, and a Doton wall. His max is heads and shoulders above "2 or 3."

Again he didn't manage to warp the mazo's head so why it is being considered a successful kamui warp feat is beyond me.
You are right though, i underestimated how many human sized being's he could warp. Though i took into consideration the fact that he would be using chakra for other techniques and not just kamui

Kakashi expends chakra to create the Kamui barrier. Just because Obito disrupted / nullified the warping process does not automatically give Kakashi back the chakra he pumped out to create the barrier and begin warping Gedo Mazo's head.

Yes kakashi used chakra to create the barrier. Also true that he would not regain this chakra back after obito's nullified it, however its possible an incomplete kamui where the targeted object wasn't successful will not be as chakra taxing

 

[Black Wolf]

Not really considering the mazo's head wasn't a successful warp.
So yh my point of 5-6 feat is still valid

It not being a successful warp has nothing to do with the chakra expenditure on Kakashi's end. He created the barrier, and the barrier fully manifested since we saw it nearly complete the "collapse-on-itself" process and finish the Mazo. Kakashi already wasted the chakra necessary to warp Gedo Mazo's head - Obito simply nullified it before the barrier fully collapsed, thus why it failed.

Yes kakashi used chakra to create the barrier. ALos true that he would not regain this chakra back after obito's nullified it, however its possible an incomplete kamui whether the targeted objected wasn't successful will not be as chakra taking

So if Amaterasu misses / is blocked, does that mean it requires less chakra than an Amaterasu that hits its target?

 

[SeriousDogg]

Kamui = best technique/jutsu/KKG ever.

deal with it.

WT R U CASUL?

 

[Retsu]

It is strongly overrated, never once had he successfully used it offensively without some sort of outside help, and ppl claim that him using Kamui on bm Naruto proved he can use it on other fast ppl, however they forget that was part of a plan, so obviously Naruto made sure to keep his speed in check so Kamui would land, but amaterasu is faster and more lethal

 

[Blaze Release]

It not being a successful warp has nothing to do with the chakra expenditure on Kakashi's end. He created the barrier, and the barrier fully manifested since we saw it nearly complete the "collapse-on-itself" process and finish the Mazo. Kakashi already wasted the chakra necessary to warp Gedo Mazo's head - Obito simply nullified it before the barrier fully collapsed, thus why it failed.

While i have acknowledged the kakashi did spend chakra erecting the barrier, fact that it wasn't successful (due to external circumstances), could imply that, because it wasn't a complete warp it wouldn;t be as taxing. He simple didn;t get to finish warping it before obito stopped it.

I didn't add it as a successful warp because it isn't

So if Amaterasu misses / is blocked, does that mean it requires less chakra than an Amaterasu that hits its target?

That is a completely different case though.
In your example the technique was fired and missed, it was complete.

This scenario however while the barrier was fully erected, the technique wasn't complete. It was stopped