[Discussion] If Zoro beats King...

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1. Dโ€™u watch sawyers vid?
2. No

Logically yes, but story wise actually not really. They went head to head in whiskey peak all out and were stale until they were stopped
Forgive me if I dont take a fight in which Nami won in the end as evidence for Zoro = Luffy

Luffy > Zoro > Sanji, thats just how it is, was and will be
 
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Well i don't believe Oda is a hack, if he was? Luffy wouldn't have gotten crushed by Kaido in one hit. Since he established that I doubt Zoro right this second could defeat King.

I think we're going to be on this island a lot longer then just the usual few day's, I think we may spend a year or 2 in story time here.

So my point is by the end there will have been a lot of time passed between now and when Zoro my fight King and eventually defeating him.
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I mean it's just hard to tell when he hasn't really been challenged since Daz Bones fight (I think). Just hoping he gets a challenge or two and has a chance to show growth.
Kaku gave him a challenge, forced him to use Asura, and since then you have to remember that like almost about 300 chapters haven't had Zoro around to be challenged.
 

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Well i don't believe Oda is a hack, if he was? Luffy wouldn't have gotten crushed by Kaido in one hit. Since he established that I doubt Zoro right this second could defeat King.

I think we're going to be on this island a lot longer then just the usual few day's, I think we may spend a year or 2 in story time here.

So my point is by the end there will have been a lot of time passed between now and when Zoro my fight King and eventually defeating him.
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Kaku gave him a challenge, forced him to use Asura, and since then you have to remember that like almost about 300 chapters haven't had Zoro around to be challenged.
You realize a year or 2 story time is like 5-10 years real life for one piece right
 

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You realize a year or 2 story time is like 5-10 years real life for one piece right
Not when there's possible time Shenanigans about, the time travel stuff isn't just going to go away.

Right now Luffy can't even put a scratch on Kaido, how is he supposed to be any use against him even in a group without some kind of Hyperbolic Time Chamber situation?
 

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Not when there's possible time Shenanigans about, the time travel stuff isn't just going to go away.

Right now Luffy can't even put a scratch on Kaido, how is he supposed to be any use against him even in a group without some kind of Hyperbolic Time Chamber situation?
Bro maybe 3 years has passed since the beginning of op ... That's over 20 years real world time. LMFAO they're not training for another year or 2 again.

Kidd is proof they don't need too. Kidd didnttrain for 2 years and he's still keeping up with luffy
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I feel like oda might reveal shogun as some troll character. I hope he is not like those celeatial dragon or spandam level characters.
IF KINEMOM SAW HIM SOLO ODEN AND ALL OF HIS CABINET MEMBERS, HOW IS HE GONNA BE A TROLL CHARACTER? just ignore the manga why don't you
 

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IF KINEMOM SAW HIM SOLO ODEN AND ALL OF HIS CABINET MEMBERS, HOW IS HE GONNA BE A TROLL CHARACTER? just ignore the manga why don't you
Dude what are you talking about? Kinnemon said Oden was captured and executed. Nobody solo'd anyone.
I remember that snake girl telling the kids that Orochi "the hero" beat Oden but she could be telling lies for all we know.
 

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Dude what are you talking about? Kinnemon said Oden was captured and executed. Nobody solo'd anyone.
I remember that snake girl telling the kids that Orochi "the hero" beat Oden but she could be telling lies for all we know.
Nah kinemon said orochi defeated him with his two step style. He was executed after being defeated. Go reread, wtf is wrong with y'all aren't y'all supposed to know about one piece? Just go to Shogun orochi wiki if u have too
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I've been meaning to say his retainers, not cabinet members by the way that's my fault lol
 

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Nah kinemon said orochi defeated him with his two step style. He was executed after being defeated. Go reread, wtf is wrong with y'all aren't y'all supposed to know about one piece? Just go to Shogun orochi wiki if u have too
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I've been meaning to say his retainers, not cabinet members by the way that's my fault lol
I double checked, what chapter did Kinemon say Orochi alone beat Oden? I saw in 818 he said Oden and Kaido overthrew Oden and cooked him. Then in 919 it mentions him beating Oden and his retainers by the snake teacher? In 920 Kinemon says "Orochi, who orchestrated the downfall of the Kozuki clan" this makes it sound more like he manipulated or tricked Oden. It also seems there's a chance Oden may have sacrificed himself because he believed he would be sparing his family. Also speaking of wiki's Oden's only has one major battle listed, you'd think even if presumed they'd list the fight against Orochi that led to his capture and execution no?

What chapter am I missing?
 

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I double checked, what chapter did Kinemon say Orochi alone beat Oden? I saw in 818 he said Oden and Kaido overthrew Oden and cooked him. Then in 919 it mentions him beating Oden and his retainers by the snake teacher? In 920 Kinemon says "Orochi, who orchestrated the downfall of the Kozuki clan" this makes it sound more like he manipulated or tricked Oden. It also seems there's a chance Oden may have sacrificed himself because he believed he would be sparing his family. Also speaking of wiki's Oden's only has one major battle listed, you'd think even if presumed they'd list the fight against Orochi that led to his capture and execution no?

What chapter am I missing?
Swordsmanship
As shogun of the Wano Country, Orochi is an extremely powerful samurai. He uses a sword-style known as Orochi Nitoryu (ใ‚ชใƒญใƒไบŒๅˆ€ๆต, Orochi Nitลryลซ?, literally meaning "Orochi Two Swords Style"). According to propaganda, he used it to defeat Kozuki Oden and his retainers


I was under the impression that because oden was captured and boiled and the other 3 kinemon raizoo and monosuke we're able to escape so thats the "orchestration"
 

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Swordsmanship
As shogun of the Wano Country, Orochi is an extremely powerful samurai. He uses a sword-style known as Orochi Nitoryu (ใ‚ชใƒญใƒไบŒๅˆ€ๆต, Orochi Nitลryลซ?, literally meaning "Orochi Two Swords Style"). According to propaganda, he used it to defeat Kozuki Oden and his retainers


I was under the impression that because oden was captured and boiled and the other 3 kinemon raizoo and monosuke we're able to escape so thats the "orchestration"
Don't take this the wrong way but I don't see anything in that reply that counters anything. In fact, "According to propaganda, he used it to defeat Kozuki Oden and his retainers" appears right in your reply. We assume as shogun he's strong but nothing has actually confirmed that. Also I don't see the chapter where Kinemon said Orochi beat Oden and his retainers still.

Generally when someone says X orchestrated Y's downfall it means they plotted it and gained from it but had help doing so, in this case we know Orochi partnered with Kaido, what we don't know is the extent Kaido(and by extension his men) were involved in the defeat of Oden.
 

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Don't take this the wrong way but I don't see anything in that reply that counters anything. In fact, "According to propaganda, he used it to defeat Kozuki Oden and his retainers" appears right in your reply. We assume as shogun he's strong but nothing has actually confirmed that. Also I don't see the chapter where Kinemon said Orochi beat Oden and his retainers still.

Generally when someone says X orchestrated Y's downfall it means they plotted it and gained from it but had help doing so, in this case we know Orochi partnered with Kaido, what we don't know is the extent Kaido(and by extension his men) were involved in the defeat of Oden.
I give you that, I was trying to find where kinemon said it cause even in wiki it says two sword style but I was positive kinemon said two step style but I can't find it :(

I just assumed though orochi went and defeated oden and retainers while kaido and his crew handled all of wano, but I mean I could be wrong. Kaido and his calamities are the ones who set fire to the castle or whatever it was
      
      
    
      
      
 

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#37
I want Zoro to win but after Luffy's fight with Katakuri, I find it hard to believe that he'll beat a YFM such as King. That is if Luffy pulls out another transformation from his G4 and become a RhinoMan like he did SnakeMan for Katakuri, then Zoro will beat King.
I'm leaning on Zoro beating the Shogun Orochi while Kidd and Law fight King and Queen.
Kidd looking more and more like the future Whitebeard in this arc looking at the way Luffy and Kidd rival each other in brute strength.
 

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I want Zoro to win but after Luffy's fight with Katakuri, I find it hard to believe that he'll beat a YFM such as King. That is if Luffy pulls out another transformation from his G4 and become a RhinoMan like he did SnakeMan for Katakuri, then Zoro will beat King.
I'm leaning on Zoro beating the Shogun Orochi while Kidd and Law fight King and Queen.
Kidd looking more and more like the future Whitebeard in this arc looking at the way Luffy and Kidd rival each other in brute strength.
Missed you bby
 
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