If you think of it Oro was a push over...

[MrSharingan]

lol I like Oro coz he didn't have any heart wrenching revelations before he died, he sees everything he did as justified. das gangsta bro

 

[ackeem1992]

he was pretty weak lol, who did he win against again?, oh thats right nobody, all i saw the snake did was put hickeys on little boys necks and freakishly pull stuff out his mouth. he' was a total mad scientist, pedophile freaky looking guy to me.

 

[Schmack]

How can u provide evidence for something like that? This is still a cartoon so all you can do is speculate. But that guy does have a point. Kisame beating 8 tails and so people saying he is awesome and strong is the same what people are saying of Naruto beating Pain. Counts for something eh?

quotes, passages, both their accoplishments and their reputations as ninjas, these are the evidence in the manga that you fail to recognize. for example, kisame not wanting to face jiraiya saying that he's no match for him is one of the evidence for this argument in the manga.

and yes kisame did defeat 8tails but that doesn't prove anything on orochimaru's case. it's like saying:

1. naruto beat pain
2. therefore he's stronger than itachi

it's a completely random and irrelevant point to make. and no it doesn't count for anything.

 

[BananaAssassin]

he was pretty weak lol, who did he win against again?, oh thats right nobody, all i saw the snake did was put hickeys on little boys necks and freakishly pull stuff out his mouth. he' was a total mad scientist, pedophile freaky looking guy to me.

How 'bout Sarutobi?..but all the other stuff u said: lol I know right.

 

[BananaAssassin]

quotes, passages, both their accoplishments and their reputations as ninjas, these are the evidence in the manga that you fail to recognize. for example, kisame not wanting to face jiraiya saying that he's no match for him is one of the evidence for this argument in the manga.

and yes kisame did defeat 8tails but that doesn't prove anything on orochimaru's case. it's like saying:

1. naruto beat pain
2. therefore he's stronger than itachi

it's a completely random and irrelevant point to make. and no it doesn't count for anything.

You know Orochimaru's reputation. He's a powerful sannin. You know Kisame's reputation he's a "tailed beast without a tail". So I doubt I have to point those out to you. I personally don't necessarilly think that Kisame would win but I have to say u don't have any "evidence" yourself that Oro would win.
What Kisame said was veeery long time ago and I think he has improven by then, also Jiraya is stronger than Oro so u can't really take that as an evidence.

Lastly for the 8-tails thing. Yes it's pretty much like that. Pain being Itachi's leader(=stronger) and the one who killed Jiraya whom Itachi said that he would lose. And when you think that Naruto beat Pain so you can add up the numbers... And 8-tails is still 8-tails. I didn't see oro beating Naruto in his six-tails form lol.

 

[Schmack]

You know Orochimaru's reputation. He's a powerful sannin. You know Kisame's reputation he's a "tailed beast without a tail". So I doubt I have to point those out to you. I personally don't necessarilly think that Kisame would win but I have to say u don't have any "evidence" yourself that Oro would win.
What Kisame said was veeery long time ago and I think he has improven by then, also Jiraya is stronger than Oro so u can't really take that as an evidence.

Lastly for the 8-tails thing. Yes it's pretty much like that. Pain being Itachi's leader(=stronger) and the one who killed Jiraya whom Itachi said that he would lose. And when you think that Naruto beat pain so you can add up the numbers... And 8-tails is still 8-tails. I didn't see oro beating Naruto in his six-tails form lol.

it was 3 years ago in the manga and kisame is not the only one who improved during that timeskip. i personally think jiraiya is stronger than oro too but you can't assume we've seen everything from orochimaru. ever since he got his arms sealed by the 3rd he's been weaker. on the other hand, we've seen a lot more from jiraiya and kisame compared to what we've seen from orochimaru. jiraiya is stronger than orochimaru <-- although i agree with this it's still arguable and you can't just assume without any evidence backin up your argument.

laslty for the 8-tails thing, no it's not like that.

a>b and b>c so therefore a>c is not true in naruto world.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

he was pretty weak lol, who did he win against again?, oh thats right nobody, all i saw the snake did was put hickeys on little boys necks and freakishly pull stuff out his mouth. he' was a total mad scientist, pedophile freaky looking guy to me.

he killed the 4th kazekage and his bodyguards, made the old 3rd kill himself to save the village, killed a genin team to take their faces(lol) and idk if you count taking over a couple bodies for hosts as "kills" and sacrificed alot of people for research into forbidden jutsu (including the 2 sound genin he used to summon the hokages)

 

[BananaAssassin]

laslty for the 8-tails thing, no it's not like that.

a>b and b>c so therefore a>c is not true in naruto world.

How so? Can u back this up with something?..'Cause Pain being Akatsuki's leader, meaning in that kind of group those kind of people only follow the one who's stronger than them. So Naruto beat the strongest one of Akatsuki. How can't he beat Itachi. Okay this is going offtopic. But basically that's how we should look at it.
And still I say this: Kisame beat 8-tails Bee, Orochimaru wasn't match even for 6-tailed Naruto. Or if he was, he didn't beat him.

 

[Schmack]

How so? Can u back this up with something?..'Cause Pain being Akatsuki's leader, meaning in that kind of group those kind of people only follow the one who's stronger than them. So Naruto beat the strongest one of Akatsuki. How can't he beat Itachi. Okay this is going offtopic. But basically that's how we should look at it.
And still I say this: Kisame beat 8-tails Bee, Orochimaru wasn't match even for 6-tailed Naruto. Or if he was, he didn't beat him.

lmao dude. are you certain that naruto 'defeated' pain? reread the capters concerning the battle. look closely at the process of the whole battle and what worked in favor of pain and what didn't. if pain wasn't trying to capture naruto alive, the battle would've been over right after he had naruto pinned down on the ground. plus he had already used a fair bit of chakra invading the leaf and casting that giant shinra tensei.

and imma tell you for the last time. just because a>b and b>c doesn't mean a>c. why? because different ninjas have different battle styles. the relationship of sannins for example. in japanese culture snake > toad > slug > snake. you get it now? just because toad > slug does NOT mean toad > snake. and yes kisame did defeat 8 tails. and? you forgot the fact that 9 tails is as strong as all the other tailed beast combined. that's why the akatsuki seals it the last.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

How so? Can u back this up with something?..'Cause Pain being Akatsuki's leader, meaning in that kind of group those kind of people only follow the one who's stronger than them. So Naruto beat the strongest one of Akatsuki. How can't he beat Itachi. Okay this is going offtopic. But basically that's how we should look at it.
And still I say this: Kisame beat 8-tails Bee, Orochimaru wasn't match even for 6-tailed Naruto. Or if he was, he didn't beat him.

Itachi was untouchable to naruto for 2 reasons (maybe more) Genjutsu, naruto couldn't break them on his own and has been caught by itachi 2 or 3 times, in a 1v1 he'd be in a genjutsu and stabed in the throat before he could break it. And MS has power over the 9tails (probably why itachi was assigned to catch naruto) so even if naruto went berzerk like he did vs deva path itachi can supress the chakra or control the fox altogether.

A>B>C=A>C only really works when the power differences between A and C are vast like say Orochimaru=A, kakashi=B and Genin sasuke=C

 

[BananaAssassin]

lmao dude. are you certain that naruto 'defeated' pain? reread the capters concerning the battle. look closely at the process of the whole battle and what worked in favor of pain and what didn't. if pain wasn't trying to capture naruto alive, the battle would've been over right after he had naruto pinned down on the ground. plus he had already used a fair bit of chakra invading the leaf and casting that giant shinra tensei.

and imma tell you for the last time. just because a>b and b>c doesn't mean a>c. why? because different ninjas have different battle styles. the relationship of sannins for example. in japanese culture snake > toad > slug > snake. you get it now? just because toad > slug does NOT mean toad > snake. and yes kisame did defeat 8 tails. and? you forgot the fact that 9 tails is as strong as all the other tailed beast combined. that's why the akatsuki seals it the last.

Well he still beat Pain now matter how it happened. Okay rofl that abc and toad slug thing was completely off from what I said that Pain is stronger than Itachi so Naruto should be stronger than Itachi 'cause he beat pain. U can't take that comparison into this, wtf, it's like the same as counting mathematically who can win who for certain in naruto world or something like that. Yea they have different battlestyles but generally all you need to know is who is stronger. Lmao.

Okay 9 tails is as strong as other bijuus combined? Aren't they all parts of ten tails? This I'm not sure, just wondering. Still I know it's the strongest, but that strong..? We'll yeah 8-tails can't be coming too far behind so beating it is quite an achievement. Orochimaru doesn't have that kind of achievemnt. So I say again: you don't have any proof that oro would own kisame. That is why Im arguing.

 

[Schmack]

Well he still beat Pain now matter how it happened. Okay rofl that abc and toad slug thing was completely off from what I said that Pain is stronger than Itachi so Naruto should be stronger than Itachi 'cause he beat pain. U can't take that comparison into this, wtf, it's like the same as counting mathematically who can win who for certain in naruto world or something like that. Yea they have different battlestyles but generally all you need to know is who is stronger. Lmao.

Okay 9 tails is as strong as other bijuus combined? Aren't they all parts of ten tails? This I'm not sure, just wondering. Still I know it's the strongest, but that strong..? We'll yeah 8-tails can't be coming too far behind so beating it is quite an achievement. Orochimaru doesn't have that kind of achievemnt. So I say again: you don't have any proof that oro would own kisame. That is why Im arguing.

you still don't get it do ya. if you remember back in first part one of the sound genin dosu beat choji in chunin prelims. and later choji beat jirobo, one of the sound four.

according to your logic:

1. dosu > choji
2. choji > jirobo
3. dosu> jirobo

dude.. just get real for once.

and yea 9tails is that strong. even with half his chakra sealed away by the 4th, it dominated 8tails when both naruto and bee were training. just go read the chapter.

 

[sneakattack]

im all up for believing that oro is capable of beating quite a few people in the naruto verse. the thing i believe that makes him the most dangerous is his knowledge of forbidden techniques.

 

[BananaAssassin]

you still don't get it do ya. if you remember back in first part one of the sound genin dosu beat choji in chunin prelims. and later choji beat jirobo, one of the sound four.

according to your logic:

1. dosu > choji
2. choji > jirobo
3. dosu> jirobo

dude.. just get real for once.

and yea 9tails is that strong. even with half his chakra sealed away by the 4th, it dominated 8tails when both naruto and bee were training. just go read the chapter.

Yeah well that is true but Choji used soldier pills against Jirobo, not against Dosu. Otherwise he would've lost to Jirobo too. So get real yourself okay?

yeah yeah yeah, so? that doesn't matter as much as you think it does. And why are u even arguing when you don't reply to what I said earlier: "...Orochimaru doesn't have that kind of achievement. So I say again: you don't have any proof that oro would own kisame."

 

[ANBUCaptain]

lmao BananaAssassin pwned Shmack for real. I agree about the point that he doesn't have any proof himself to back himself up.

 

[Schmack]

Yeah well that is true but Choji used soldier pills against Jirobo, not against Dosu. Otherwise he would've lost to Jirobo too. So get real yourself okay?

yeah yeah yeah, so? that doesn't matter as much as you think it does. And why are u even arguing when you don't reply to what I said earlier: "...Orochimaru doesn't have that kind of achievement. So I say again: you don't have any proof that oro would own kisame."

lmao dude now you're just gettin mad. you fail to accept the fact that your logic ain't workin and try to come up with silly excuses. it was you who said 'naruto did beat pain no matter how it happened'.

bold part: and when have you said that? i didn't see so imma reply right now. i presume you're comparing the acheivements of both kisame and orochimaru? then just read Professor Sarutobi's list of oro's doings in his above post. killing kazekage and his bodyguards, going up against 2 sannins without his arms.. lol just go read it dude.

and about the 'proof' you're talking about. do YOU have any proof that kisame would beat oro beside your failed 'kisame beat 8tails so he can beat oro'? lmao. you right for once. i don't have any definitive proof that oro can beat kisame. no one has any definitive proof on this matter. but judgding from his reaction to jiraiya (and don't say kisame's the only one who imporved over the timeskip) and the relative strengths of each sannins, i've come up with my own argument that oro can beat kisame. which you are failing to refute.

edit: @ ANBUCaptain - neither do you have any proof on anything so shh.

 

[BananaAssassin]

lmao dude now you're just gettin mad. you fail to accept the fact that your logic ain't workin and try to come up with silly excuses. it was you who said 'naruto did beat pain no matter how it happened'.

bold part: and when have you said that? i didn't see so imma reply right now. i presume you're comparing the acheivements of both kisame and orochimaru? then just read Professor Sarutobi's list of oro's doings in his above post. killing kazekage and his bodyguards, going up against 2 sannins without his arms.. lol just go read it dude.

and about the 'proof' you're talking about. do YOU have any proof that kisame would beat oro beside your failed 'kisame beat 8tails so he can beat oro'? lmao. you right for once. i don't have any definitive proof that oro can beat kisame. no one has any definitive proof on this matter. but judgding from his reaction to jiraiya (and don't say kisame's the only one who imporved over the timeskip) and the relative strengths of each sannins, i've come up with my own argument that oro can beat kisame. which you are failing to refute.

edit: neither do you have any proof on anything so shh.

No, Im not getting mad, lol..okay how does what I said Naruto "'naruto did beat pain no matter how it happened" have anything to do with you choji example? I meant that maybe Choji didn't have a chance to (or couldn't) use the pills at the time he faced Dosu. So Im saying at that time Choji was weaker than Dosu. People improve u know. Also things go sometimes that way just as we readers of manga can enjoy the twists. It doesn't mean theoretically those things are or aren't possible.

No, I dont have any proof. As I said earlier I am arguing with u 'cause u urself dont have any proof. Ur the kind of dude who you have to repeat urself?

Okay lol the kisame-jiraya example is getting real old and Jiraya was/is stronger than Oro, so dont bring that up again. See I refuted it.

What's this smell..?.. I know, it the smell of OWNAGE.

 

[Schmack]

No, Im not getting mad, lol..okay how does what I said Naruto "'naruto did beat pain no matter how it happened" have anything to do with you choji example? I meant that maybe Choji didn't have a chance to (or couldn't) use the pills at the time he faced Dosu. So Im saying at that time Choji was weaker than Dosu. People improve u know. Also things go sometimes that way just as we readers of manga can enjoy the twists. It doesn't mean theoretically those things are or aren't possible.

No, I dont have any proof. As I said earlier I am arguing with u 'cause u urself dont have any proof. Ur the kind of dude who you have to repeat urself?

Okay lol the kisame-jiraya example is getting real old and Jiraya was/is stronger than Oro, so dont bring that up again. See I refuted it.

What's this smell..?.. I know, it the smell of OWNAGE.

but then how do you know if choji even had the pills when he fought dosu? you don't. and it's got everything to do with itxd look dude, let me lay it out for you so it's clear.

1. i said naruto didn't defeat pain.
2. you said naruto beat pain no matter how it happened.
3. choji got beaten by dosu
4. choji beat jirobo
5. no matter how it happened, choji beat jirobo so dosu > jirobo

there's you're own logic. clear enough for you?

i already told you i have come up with my own argument and have no definitive proof on the matter since i'm not the author of the series. and neither do you. what's you're point?

the evidence i provided was old? how so? that's not called refuting anything buddy. provide evidence from the manga that contradicts my argument, not your silly opinion.

i don't smell anything right now and you not owning nobody in here

 

[BananaAssassin]

but then how do you know if choji even had the pills when he fought dosu? you don't. and it's got everything to do with itxd look dude, let me lay it out for you so it's clear.

1. i said naruto didn't defeat pain.
2. you said naruto beat pain no matter how it happened.
3. choji got beaten by dosu
4. choji beat jirobo
5. no matter how it happened, choji beat jirobo so dosu > jirobo

there's you're own logic. clear enough for you?

i already told you i have come up with my own argument and have no definitive proof on the matter since i'm not the author of the series. and neither do you. what's you're point?

the evidence i provided was old? how so? that's not called refuting anything buddy. provide evidence from the manga that contradicts my argument, not your silly opinion.

i don't smell anything right now and you not owning nobody in here

I don't know and neither do u if he had the pills or not. So that example is useless here. Or we can argue it so that I will say that Choji was weaker then and u say he wasnt. Pointless. Again no proofs whatsoever to back up neither of opinions.

Yeah it's old, about 3 years and so. So Kisame could be improved by then. Orochimaru could be also but again no proves for both sides. Pointless again.

Oh and about the Oro killing Kazekage, he had Kimimaro as a help there. Who was really exausted after Oro gave the finishing blow to k-kage, so I take it that Kimi did all the work. Oro said even that "it seems u have reached ur limit". So really only "proof" you have the Sarutobi thing and I will answer it with the 8 tails thing so I think I have proven my point. Which is: you dont have proofs to say for sure that Oro will Beat Kisame so my work here is done. LMAO

Do you get it now or is the Orochimaru fan boy thing just ur lifestyle?

 

[Schmack]

I don't know and neither do u if he had the pills or not. So that example is useless here. Or we can argue it so that I will say that Choji was weaker then and u say he wasnt. Pointless. Again no proofs whatsoever to back up neither of opinions.

Yeah it's old, about 3 years and so. So Kisame could be improved by then. Orochimaru could be also but again no proves for both sides. Pointless again.

Oh and about the Oro killing Kazekage, he had Kimimaro as a help there. Who was really exausted after Oro gave the finishing blow to k-kage, so I take it that Kimi did all the work. Oro said even that "it seems u have reached ur limit". So really only "proof" you have the Sarutobi thing and I will answer it with the 8 tails thing so I think I have proven my point. Which is: you dont have proofs to say for sure that Oro will Beat Kisame so my work here is done. LMAO

Do you get it now or is the Orochimaru fan boy thing just ur lifestyle?

no, that example is not useless here because i'm not trying to prove that choji was weaker or not. go back all the way to the root of our argument. i used that example as a way to disprove your logic, which i explained above, and you don't have anything to say and now you're just evading the subject cuz you can't refute it. done.

and i said kisame was not the only one who improved over the time skip. you said 'people improve you know'. you've been contradicting your own statements here quite a bit now

it's true that kimimaro assisted in kazekage's killing, but at that point he was already fataly ill. just go check out narutopedia. and i have already told you, i don't have any proof, you don't have any proof. by proof i mean definitive. however, i've come up with my own argument which is based upon the evidence in the manga and even after all this argument you fail to refute it with legit, evidence based argument. you're in no position to tell me that i have no proof because while we both don't have any proof, i have my own argument based on evidence. you don't.

and if you haven't seen my posts in this forum, my favorite characters are kisame and zabuza. and i'm neutral about all the other characters. all my friends in this forum know it. but i see you're new with barely even 100 posts so you don't know. you think i would argue against my favorite character, kisame, for no good reasons?

you're gettin silly. just give it up dude.

edit: i base my argument on facts and evidence. not fanboyism. if i was being a fanboy here, i would be supporting kisame to death lmao. silly guy.