If Sasuke's ideals are right then

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Everyone is influenced by others.Naruto with Kakashi,and Jiraiya,people with their friends,but that deosn't make them manipulated by others.Sasuke decided to Orochimaru for power,then got rid of him as soon as he was done using him.Orochimaru didn't have any sort of God control over him.Sasuke never even respected him same for Obito.He gave no schitts when Obito died,and easily dispose of Orochimaru once he was done with him.
Well that's true, good point. At the same time though do you think Sasuke would have thought to attack the village had Obito not told him about the truths of Itachi's past?
And also consider, even Itachi reffered to sasuke as a blank canvas, which can be interpreted in many ways, but from what I can understand he basically means that Sasuke is pretty easily led around. although this has never stopped him from having his own intentions and what not.
 

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or that guy just finds a different way to produce the same results as if the bijuu werenʻt there. But for the 100th time, all that is irrelevant since the bijuu are being punished for a crime that someone else is committing. The problem isnʻt them, the problem is the guy. Take away the guy and thereʻs a world where the bijuu and people can live without having to sacrifice one or the other. And if sasukeʻs world consists of people who want to destroy it, then obviously heʻs failed.

Canʻt you see yet that Iʻm basically posting the same thing over and over? Regardless, if people want to war, theyʻll find war power. Regardless of the war power, itʻs not the gunʻs fault, itʻs the person whoʻs pointing at another and pulling the trigger?
Sasuke wants to get rid of them so no more fighting will be cause over them.Yes people will still fight but they won't be fighting for the Bijuu,the bijuu won't be a concern ever again.that simple.Him wanting to get rid of the Bijuu is understandable regardless of the Bijuu being innocent.Get rid of the weapons for was and the troublemakers who want those weapons etc.
 

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Everyone is influenced by others.Naruto with Kakashi,and Jiraiya,people with their friends,but that deosn't make them manipulated by others.Sasuke decided to Orochimaru for power,then got rid of him as soon as he was done using him.Orochimaru didn't have any sort of God control over him.Sasuke never even respected him same for Obito.He gave no schitts when Obito died,and easily dispose of Orochimaru once he was done with him.
Black Zetsu disagrees. And Madara interrupted the peace in the new system for the first time, which created the idea that war was still possible within the system. He is also the reason that Tobirama was never able to trust the Uchiha. Tobirama's distrust of the Uchiha is what planted the seeds of rebellion in their minds (as well as the memory of their clansman who went against the system previously).
 

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Black Zetsu disagrees. And Madara interrupted the peace in the new system for the first time, which created the idea that war was still possible within the system. He is also the reason that Tobirama was never able to trust the Uchiha. Tobirama's distrust of the Uchiha is what planted the seeds of rebellion in their minds (as well as the memory of their clansman who went against the system previously).
So you believe that no one would have ever fought if Madara didn't do anything? And besides - there all of their own free will sought to capture the bijuu and use them as weapons.
 

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So you believe that no one would have ever fought if Madara didn't do anything? And besides - there all of their own free will sought to capture the bijuu and use them as weapons.
The only people who ever tried to obtain the power of the Tailed Beasts were the Akatsuki and Madara. The Akatsuki were acting under Nagato’s orders, Nagato under Obito’s influence, and Obito under Madara’s influence. I can’t be sure that there wouldn’t have been other conflicts, but no one other than Hashirama was ever more powerful than Madara, so there would have been no greater threats than him. And since no Uchiha's Sharingan was ever as strong as Madara's, it is possible that the idea of IT would have been completely forgotten.
 

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The only people who ever tried to obtain the power of the Tailed Beasts were the Akatsuki and Madara. The Akatsuki were acting under Nagato’s orders, Nagato under Obito’s influence, and Obito under Madara’s influence. I can’t be sure that there wouldn’t have been other conflicts, but no one other than Hashirama was ever more powerful than Madara, so there would have been no greater threats than him. And since no Uchiha's Sharingan was ever as strong as Madara's, it is possible that the idea of IT would have been completely forgotten.
I think it was chapter 555 - the 3rd Raikage fought the Hachibi.
 

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Naruto's ideals are no better. Naruto wants to keep the very things that caused all this alive. Keeping theUchiha alive will lead to more wars, and letting the world and system carry on as before with no change, there will always be another event such as this. By eliminating the cause of the problem,Danzo can create a world where such things never occur. I'm not saying Danzo's way is right, as his way is dicatorship, but Naruto's way of peace is no better at all, it is naive and frankly quite silly.
Danzo's view was correct.
 

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Danzo's view was correct.
Danzo framed the Uchiha for the Kyuubi attacked,then had them sectioned off for years and spied on knowing they would fight back because of this unfair treatment.When they did he used that as a chance to have them killed off ao he could steal there power yet you act as if all Uchihas were bad just cause of Madara?

Do you remember the Uchiha turned their backs on Madara,hence him leaving Konoha? Shisui planned to use KA on the Uchiha which would have settled things peacefully,and who stop him cause he didn't want the Uchiha to be seen as good? Danzo cause he wanted to get their power.

Not to take its power though. He fought it to defend his village.
Even so,Wars were fought for Bijuu dude.
 

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Danzo framed the Uchiha for the Kyuubi attacked,then had them sectioned off for years and spied on knowing they would fight back because of this unfair treatment.When they did he used that as a chance to have them killed off ao he could steal there power yet you act as if all Uchihas were bad just cause of Madara?

Do you remember the Uchiha turned their backs on Madara,hence him leaving Konoha? Shisui planned to use KA on the Uchiha which would have settled things peacefully,and who stop him cause he didn't want the Uchiha to be seen as good? Danzo cause he wanted to get their power.



Even so,Wars were fought for Bijuu dude.
When? You have given me no evidence of that, and your replies have become more and more halfhearted.
 

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When? You have given me no evidence of that, and your replies have become more and more halfhearted.
Its 5.a.m where i am.im tired lol and chapter 404 page 14,Hashirama used the bijuu to settle fighting - they were seem as weapons,military power for Shinobi nations.You know what that means? Battle power incase fighting happens.he gave them out to keep a balance of power,which is actually funny considering konoha(Hashiram)could solo them all so thongs werent really balanced.
 

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Its 5.a.m where i am.im tired lol and chapter 404 page 14,Hashirama used the bijuu to settle fighting - they were seem as weapons,military power for Shinobi nations.You know what that means? Battle power incase fighting happens.he gave them out to keep a balance of power,which is actually funny considering konoha(Hashiram)could solo them all so thongs werent really balanced.
There is no way of knowing if Obito was telling the truth, and there is still no evidence that wars were fought over them. You have digressed from the original topic of my argument. Even if the Tailed Beasts ended up being fought over, who could have been anywhere near as much of a threat as Madara was? Only Hashirama, and he clearly had no desire to go to war.
 

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There is no way of knowing if Obito was telling the truth, and there is still no evidence that wars were fought over them. You have digressed from the original topic of my argument. Even if the Tailed Beasts ended up being fought over, who could have been anywhere near as much of a threat as Madara was? Only Hashirama, and he clearly had no desire to go to war.
How about this.i will go to sleep and destroy you another time with facts amd logic.
 

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There is no way of knowing if Obito was telling the truth, and there is still no evidence that wars were fought over them. You have digressed from the original topic of my argument. Even if the Tailed Beasts ended up being fought over, who could have been anywhere near as much of a threat as Madara was? Only Hashirama, and he clearly had no desire to go to war.
You just keep denying facts, don't you?
 
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