If Sasuke's ideals are right then

[lanakui8]

Dude,did the Uchiha's cause the first 3 world wars? Did the uchiha make the Cloud try to kidnap hinata on the day the PEACE TREATY was signed? Did the uchiha make the Sound team up with the Sand to invade and destroy Konoha?

People fought over the Bijuu,Hashirama then gave them out to each land so they would chill - they still fought.The Akatsuki later went to each of these lands to get these bijuu and started a war to get them amd casted the IT.

No Bijuu would mean no using them as weapons or fighting over them.Sasuke wants to change the messed up shinobo world and system.He wants to kill the leaders to the messed up Shinobi world amd system,who cause all this and other bad things to happen.he wants to make sure nothing like this happens again.

the bijuu didnʻt cause those wars, people caused those wars.

And please tell me which one of those wars were started because of the bijuu?
Why do you think people even want the bijuu? For power of course. Why do they want power? To war against each other.

The shinobi world and system isnʻt messed up, itʻs the ideology of the people within that system thatʻs messed up. No system that Sasuke thinks he can create will change that. Plus just think about it, how long did Sasuke think about his plan for world peace? It wasnʻt even 18 hours ago that he wanted to destroy konoha and didnʻt give a damn about world peace. How in the world can sasuke have a legitimate well thought-out plan within that timeframe when people like hashirama, madara, jiriaya, obito, minato, hagoromo, and asura spent their entire lives contemplating the solution?

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

the bijuu didnʻt cause those wars, people caused those wars.

I already addressed this.The Bijuus existing leads to fighting and if people actually capture the Bijuu they will become a big threat hence Akastuki.

Yes the Bijuus themselves didn't fight in the wars and stuff but people have fought ALOT to get the Bijuus.No Bijuus equals less fighting.How is thatvhard to understand?

 

[lanakui8]

I already addressed this.The Bijuus existing leads to fighting and if people actually capture the Bijuu they will become a big threat hence Akastuki.

Yes the Bijuus themselves didn't fight in the wars and stuff but people have fought ALOT to get the Bijuus.No Bijuus equals less fighting.How is thatvhard to understand?

The bijuus existing donʻt even lead to fighting. Itʻs people craving the bijuuʻs power and willing to war in order to obtain that power that causes wars. Eliminate that desire and you can have a world where the bijuu and people can live.

Blaming the bijuu for peopleʻs evil desires is like blaming a woman for getting raped because sheʻs attractive.

Also, with or without the bijuu there wonʻt be any less fighting, if people desire that kind of power enough to cause wars, theyʻll just find another thing to war over in order to gain power.

 

[Namar]

For all the Naruto ideals, haters.

Why are you so blind ? The world has already changed. Shinobi stayed and fought side by side to protect the bijuu's.

I would say that the world has already changed and Naruto is protecting the change more than anything.

Sasuke's revolution is just pointless and he is selfish if he thinks that alone can rule an area as big as 5 countries without having a secret agency trying to kill him.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

The bijuus existing donʻt even lead to fighting. Itʻs people craving the bijuuʻs power and willing to war in order to obtain that power that causes wars. Eliminate that desire and you can have a world where the bijuu and people can live.

Blaming the bijuu for peopleʻs evil desires is like blaming a woman for getting raped because sheʻs attractive.

Also, with or without the bijuu there wonʻt be any less fighting, if people desire that kind of power enough to cause wars, theyʻll just find another thing to war over in order to gain power.

Im not blaming the Bijuus im just saying the obvoius,that with the Bijuus being gone people will fight less considering that part of the reason they fought were to gain their power.the Bijuu being gone would reduce fighting dude,how can you not see this.didn't the akatsuki go to each country and fight to get the Bijuu? Didn't pain invade and destroy Konoha to get the Bijuu? Didn't the akatsuki start the fourth war to get the Bijuu? Weren't prevouis wars fought for the Bijuu?

Them exisiting creates problems and potential threat,its as simple as that.

For all the Naruto ideals, haters.

Why are you so blind ? The world has already changed. Shinobi stayed and fought side by side to protect the bijuu's.

I would say that the world has already changed and Naruto is protecting the change more than anything.

Sasuke's revolution is just pointless and he is selfish if he thinks that alone can rule an area as big as 5 countries without having a secret agency trying to kill him.

Dude do we even know what Sasuke's plans exactly are? You're just assumming he wants to rule over 5 lands.And how deos everyone know that the Shinobi nations will stay allied? They fought each other for years,had multiple world wars etc and joined together for a couple days inorder to fight an enemy that was a threat to them all.

And i don't think all the non-shinobi will be happy that once again the Shinovi had a world war and this time they were forced into it (IT),they will want change in the shinobi world/system aswell.Sasuke wants change to and if they see a person who fought in the war to save the world wanting to change the messed up shonobi world amd system then they will most likely support him.

The Shinobi nations teaming up for a couple days to face an enemy who was a threat to them all isn't convoncing enough to believe that they will continue to coorperate.

 

[lanakui8]

Im not blaming the Bijuus im just saying the obvoius,that with the Bijuus being gone people will fight less considering that part of the reason they fought were to gain their power.the Bijuu being gone would reduce fighting dude,how can you not see this.didn't the akatsuki go to each country and fight to get the Bijuu? Didn't pain invade and destroy Konoha to get the Bijuu? Didn't the akatsuki start the fourth war to get the Bijuu? Weren't prevouis wars fought for the Bijuu?

Dude, youʻre not seeing it. If people desire power enough to war over it, theyʻll war regardless if the bijuu are there. Instead of the bijuu theyʻll find something else to war over such as technology, resources, humans, etc.

Why did pain want the bijuu? For power. If the bijuu werenʻt there, pain would search for power somewhere else and get it by any means necessary. Plus, pain didnʻt just go to konoha to get the bijuu, he went there to destroy it which is why before leaving he leveled the entire village with CST.

Them exisiting creates problems and potential threat,its as simple as that.

Again, them existing doesnʻt create problems and potential threats. They are only viewed as problems or potential threats when humans decide to treat them that way. The evil desires of humans who view them like that or pursue them are the problem, not the bijuu.

Again itʻs like blaming a woman who got raped for being attractive. Did she become a potential rape victim because sheʻs attractive? Yes. Is the solution to gore her and make her look hideous so that no one will want to rape her? Obviously not. Sheʻs not the problem, neither are the bijuu, itʻs the desires and temptation within people that cause them to commit such acts thatʻs the problem, and thatʻs what should be targeted.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Dude, youʻre not seeing it. If people desire power enough to war over it, theyʻll war regardless if the bijuu are there. Instead of the bijuu theyʻll find something else to war over such as technology, resources, humans, etc.

Why did pain want the bijuu? For power. If the bijuu werenʻt there, pain would search for power somewhere else and get it by any means necessary. Plus, pain didnʻt just go to konoha to get the bijuu, he went there to destroy it which is why before leaving he leveled the entire village with CST.


Again, them existing doesnʻt create problems and potential threats. They are only viewed as problems or potential threats when humans decide to treat them that way. The evil desires of humans who view them like that or pursue them are the problem, not the bijuu.

Again itʻs like blaming a woman who got raped for being attractive. Did she become a potential rape victim because sheʻs attractive? Yes. Is the solution to gore her and make her look hideous so that no one will want to rape her? Obviously not. Sheʻs not the problem, neither are the bijuu, itʻs the desires and temptation within people that cause them to commit such acts thatʻs the problem, and thatʻs what should be targeted.

If they aren't around then there will be less reason to fight,its as simple as that.You can say people will just fight for something else but so? They can't fight for Creatures with massive amounts of chakra who can easily blow stuff up because they won't be around.Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[lanakui8]

If they aren't around then there will be less reason to fight,its as simple as that.You can say people will just fight for something else but so? They can't fight for Creatures with massive amounts of chakra who can easily blow stuff up because they won't be around.Why is this so hard for you to understand?

There wonʻt be any less reason to fight, there will simply be DIFFERENT reasons to fight.

Plus, even if it were true that there would be less fighting with the bijuu gone, it doesnʻt make it right to kill them, refer to the rape example. You donʻt eliminate the victims of crimes in order to stop crimes, you stop the crime itself or the perps.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

There wonʻt be any less reason to fight, there will simply be DIFFERENT reasons to fight.

Plus, even if it were true that there would be less fighting with the bijuu gone, it doesnʻt make it right to kill them, refer to the rape example. You donʻt eliminate the victims of crimes in order to stop crimes, you stop the crime itself or the perps.

Okay,bijuu are left alone.Some guy(s) capture them and blow everyone up or something.Destroy villages,mass murder - oh damn,if only the Bijuus weren't around this wouldn't have happened.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Dude,did the Uchiha's cause the first 3 world wars? Did the uchiha make the Cloud try to kidnap hinata on the day the PEACE TREATY was signed? Did the uchiha make the Sound team up with the Sand to invade and destroy Konoha?

People fought over the Bijuu,Hashirama then gave them out to each land so they would chill - they still fought.The Akatsuki later went to each of these lands to get these bijuu and started a war to get them amd casted the IT.

No Bijuu would mean no using them as weapons or fighting over them.Sasuke wants to change the messed up shinobo world and system.He wants to kill the leaders to the messed up Shinobi world amd system,who cause all this and other bad things to happen.he wants to make sure nothing like this happens again.

I think I'm going to start pasting the comments from other threads that you guys decide to not respond to until you acknowledge them.

You know the cycle of hatred isn't actually rooted in the shinobi system, right? The Tailed Beasts aren't at fault either. The shinobi system was created because of the senseless fighting between clans, with the hope that people would be able to understand each other and coexist. The only reason that people started fighting again was because of things that happened in the time before the shinobi system was created. Things that a certain member of a certain clan could not let go of. And their violence only led to more violence…

 

[lanakui8]

Okay,bijuu are left alone.Some guy(s) capture them and blow everyone up or something.Destroy villages,mass murder - oh damn,if only the Bijuus weren't around this wouldn't have happened.

yeah, if the bijuus werenʻt around, that guy would simply do it in some other way, especially if heʻs already powerful enough to subjugate all of the bijuus.

And whoʻs at fault here, the bijuu or the guy? Obviously the guy, so who do we prosecute? THE GUY.

 

[JStar King]

What exactly did the bijuus do besides be used and victimized for their power? A perfect World can't be forced, it has to gradually happen.

People in the future will eventually seek their power and do damage with it. The Juubi and Kaguya could be resurrected again. Naruto believes that everything will be rainbows and unicorns if things go back to normal. I don't believe in killing the Gokage, but I do believe in compromise. The world needs Sasuke and Naruto both to change. Sasuke is Yin and Naruto is Yang. Without one, there will never be balance. Even Hashirama knew that. That's why he wanted Madara to stay with him.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I think I'm going to start pasting the comments from other threads that you guys decide to not respond to until you acknowledge them.

You know the cycle of hatred isn't actually rooted in the shinobi system, right? The Tailed Beasts aren't at fault either. The shinobi system was created because of the senseless fighting between clans, with the hope that people would be able to understand each other and coexist. The only reason that people started fighting again was because of things that happened in the time before the shinobi system was created. Things that a certain member of a certain clan could not let go of. And their violence only led to more violence…

Are you trying to pin this on Madara and the Uchiha Mr.genuis? Before Shinbi villages were created there was fighting and afterwards there was still fighting.I believe there a way more people than a few Uchiha's who caused amd participated in alot of fighting.

yeah, if the bijuus werenʻt around, that guy would simply do it in some other way, especially if heʻs already powerful enough to subjugate all of the bijuus.

And whoʻs at fault here, the bijuu or the guy? Obviously the guy, so who do we prosecute? THE GUY.

Yes you get the guy,but then again that same guy or guys can't use Bijuu who have the highest chakra levels to cause mayhem,so he would have to use a way less powerful source.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Are you trying to pin this on Madara and the Uchiha Mr.genuis? Before Shinbi villages were created there was fighting and afterwards there was still fighting.I believe there a way more people than a few Uchiha's who caused amd participated in alot of fighting.

There was no fighting until Madara decided to defect.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

There was no fighting until Madara decided to defect.

I think it was chapter 562 where you see Madara who was not in Konoha at the time telling Mu and Oonoki to step down and obey Konoha.And why would he have to do that if everyone was so peaceful on there own? He didn't even fight Madara at the Final Valley yet there was still tension with the Shinobi villages

 

[TJ0001]

It's simple - Bijuu being around = people constantly fighting to attain their power so they can use it to kill others.It's not the Bijuu's fault but its a simple fact that them existing has always creates many problems.

Them not existing will reduce the problems like the constant fighting over them,or the threat that someone could cause if they succeasfully gain there power.


Who was Sasuke manipulated by? person would be Itachi.Other than that he did everything on his own free will.

Orochimaru for a while had a gigantic impact on what sasuke did in the series. Same with obito. not quite madara but he was the one pulling the strings.

wonder how everything would have turned out for sasuke If orochimaru, obito, and madara hadnt existed in the first place.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I think it was chapter 562 where you see Madara who was not in Konoha at the time telling Mu and Oonoki to step down and obey Konoha.And why would he have to do that if everyone was so peaceful on there own? He didn't even fight Madara at the Final Valley yet there was still tension with the Shinobi villages

Madara was clearly doing that without the village's approval.

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[TJ0001]

If they aren't around then there will be less reason to fight,its as simple as that.You can say people will just fight for something else but so? They can't fight for Creatures with massive amounts of chakra who can easily blow stuff up because they won't be around.Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Well...thats kind of an iffy way of thinking about it. I mean, one less reason to fight, whether it be big or small, is...still one less reason...compared to the thousands of more reasons that people will make up out of thin air. It almost seems inevitable.


and like a couple others have said as well, as long as there are stronger people with special DNA (like the uchiha, uzumaki, senju, and uchiha) people are going to look for and try to take that power for themselves. the bijuu just happened to be another thing humans could use as weapons.


edit: haha i totally put uchiha twice. my bad XD

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Orochimaru for a while had a gigantic impact on what sasuke did in the series. Same with obito. not quite madara but he was the one pulling the strings.

wonder how everything would have turned out for sasuke If orochimaru, obito, and madara hadnt existed in the first place.

Everyone is influenced by others.Naruto with Kakashi,and Jiraiya,people with their friends,but that deosn't make them manipulated by others.Sasuke decided to Orochimaru for power,then got rid of him as soon as he was done using him.Orochimaru didn't have any sort of God control over him.Sasuke never even respected him same for Obito.He gave no schitts when Obito died,and easily dispose of Orochimaru once he was done with him.

Madara was clearly doing that without the village's approval.

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We all know super evil worst guy ever Madara didn't cause all the problems like the 3rd Shinobi war.He did not start the second probably started after he fought Hashirama,Uchihas aren't the blame for everything.

 

[lanakui8]

Yes you get the guy,but then again that same guy or guys can't use Bijuu who have the highest chakra levels to cause mayhem,so he would have to use a way less powerful source.

or that guy just finds a different way to produce the same results as if the bijuu werenʻt there. But for the 100th time, all that is irrelevant since the bijuu are being punished for a crime that someone else is committing. The problem isnʻt them, the problem is the guy. Take away the guy and thereʻs a world where the bijuu and people can live without having to sacrifice one or the other. And if sasukeʻs world consists of people who want to destroy it, then obviously heʻs failed.

Canʻt you see yet that Iʻm basically posting the same thing over and over? Regardless, if people want to war, theyʻll find war power. Regardless of the war power, itʻs not the gunʻs fault, itʻs the person whoʻs pointing at another and pulling the trigger?