If Otsutsuki are so powerful because of Byakugan.

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Why? Because it was useless.

The rest of your point in that paragraph doesn't address my points.

The Rinnegan was a result of an upgrade, proving it was superior to the Byakugan which is why the Otsutsuki preferred using it.

It isn't useless, it's featless.

Byakugan from earth isn't the same as the one's the aliens possess. To say it's useless would mean that we've seen feats from it and came to that conclusion.

You haven't seen them utilize it.

Not using it =/= useless. Once again, only 4 of them have been shown so far.

1 of them used their byakugan to destroy the likes of Susanoo.

1 of them didn't use it in combat in favor of Rinnegan. (Later using it to see Boruto's fate)

1 didn't use it in favor of chakra weapons

1 has no feats.


This is a small pool to be writing it off as useless.

I do not deny Rinnegan being more powerful as Byakugan as it would be idiotic to say otherwise (as of now) given their feats. But Bykugan isn't useless, it clearly has it's uses and a growing role in the plot along with the new seals from killing "gods".

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It isn't useless, it's featless.

Byakugan from earth isn't the same as the one's the aliens possess. To say it's useless would mean that we've seen feats from it and came to that conclusion.

You haven't seen them utilize it.

Not using it =/= useless. Once again, only 4 of them have been shown so far.

1 of them used their byakugan to destroy the likes of Susanoo.

1 of them didn't use it in combat in favor of Rinnegan. (Later using it to see Boruto's fate)

1 didn't use it in favor of chakra weapons

1 has no feats.


This is a small pool to be writing it off as useless.

Kaguya's byakugan couldn't see through SCJ and a basic transformation jutsu it's not worth much.

Her 80 Vacuum fists were amped by the Jyubi chakra, she also had an active rinnesharingan which she can use in conjunction with the Byakugan to help her amplify her abilities further.

As for the others it's obvious their eyes aren't fit for purpose if Kaguya's arent otherwise why wouldn't they use their strongest abilities.

 

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It isn't useless, it's featless.

Byakugan from earth isn't the same as the one's the aliens possess. To say it's useless would mean that we've seen feats from it and came to that conclusion.

You haven't seen them utilize it.

Not using it =/= useless. Once again, only 4 of them have been shown so far.

1 of them used their byakugan to destroy the likes of Susanoo.

1 of them didn't use it in combat in favor of Rinnegan. (Later using it to see Boruto's fate)

1 didn't use it in favor of chakra weapons

1 has no feats.


This is a small pool to be writing it off as useless.

I do not deny Rinnegan being more powerful as Byakugan as it would be idiotic to say otherwise (as of now) given their feats. But Bykugan isn't useless, it clearly has it's uses and a growing role in the plot along with the new seals from killing "gods".

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It is the same by the virtue they both uses similar jutsu.

Only difference is, one of them uses jutsu on a large scale.

For example; Kaguya's Eighty god vaccum was stated to be similar to Eighty trigrams.

Kaguya and Momoshiki's Byakugan can see through a person's chakra network just as a Hyuga Byakugan.

Withal, it wasn't establish Momo saw Boruto's actual fate. For all we know, he was speaking figuratively. Morever, if I remember correctly, it was accounted Nejj's Byakugan seeing of fate was in a figurative sense.

Lastly, am not exactly saying it is useless overarchingly. But it is, in respect of the fact they preferred the Rinnegan.

 

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Now he resorts to Ad hominem.
Typical.

"Your lack of knowledge is laughable lol"

His castle was floating on a huge hole inside the moon.

He even used a hurricane technique to create a hole from inside the moon.

When he took Hinata from Naruto, it was on a forest inside the Moon.

Toneri would have to be completely retarded to think it wasn't hollow. But then again, I shouldn't blame him, after all you brought up the suggestion.

You have to take his mantle of being completely retarded.

"Its rare for two comabatants to start atq their full power and the manga is full of such instances"

It's stupid for a combatant not to use their full power amidst getting overwhelmed, lest you think it won't change anything.

Again lol, the moon was a massive CT created to seal the Gedou Mazou and Kaguya. So let us say you're right and he did live inside the moon, even then the most of the moon's inside was used to seal the Gedou Mazo and Toneri's castle was in no way directly connected to it for him to know that the rest of the moon is hollow. So assuming you're right, at best he'll know about only the part of moon he was living in was hollow which is obviously a small portion compared to what was used to seal the gedou mazou thus again proves my point.
Now I hope you're not saying that the entire moon's insides was his living area cuz that's plain ridiculous.

As for Kinshiki fight, I suggest you read Hashirama vs Madara, Naruto vs Sasuke both VoTE 1 & 2 to see my point. These are just a few examples. There are more.

 

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Kaguya's byakugan couldn't see through SCJ and a basic transformation jutsu it's not worth much.

Her 80 Vacuum fists were amped by the Jyuvi chakra, she also had an active rinnesharingan which she can use in conjunction with the Byakugan to help her amplify her avilities further.

As for the others it's obvious their eyes aren't fit for purpose if Kaguya's arent otherwise why wouldn't they use their atrongest abilties.

Not only is it her first time seeing it, if the chakra is equally balanced then it's nearly impossible to figure out who is who unless you're Madara Uchiha, apparently.

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In the end your dojutsu and abilities are only as strong as your chakra. Saying that Vacuum palms is only strong because of the juubi chakra makes no sense as it's Kaguya's power. She became one with the juubi. Rasengan from RSM Naruto is only strong because of the Rikudou chakra.

There's no way to compare a juubi less Vaccum palm from her as that's all her chakra consists of.

It is the same by the virtue they both uses similar jutsu.

Only difference is, one of them uses jutsu on a large scale.

For example; Kaguya's Eighty god vaccum was stated to be similar to Eighty trigrams.

Kaguya and Momoshiki's Byakugan can see through a person's chakra network just as a Hyuga Byakugan.

Withal, it wasn't establish Momo saw Boruto's actual fate. For all we know, he was speaking figuratively. Morever, if I remember correctly, it was accounted Nejj's Byakugan seeing of fate was in a figurative sense.

Lastly, am not exactly saying it is useless overarchingly. But it is, in respect of the fact they preferred the Rinnegan.

The only one who has used similar jutsu has been Kaguya. This is still a small pool you're writing off the outerworld-Byakugan as.

Momoshiki did something that manipulated time leaving only Boruto capable of moving and Sasuke being aware of the changes. Where he stated his Byakugan blood as the reason.

It has been established, he didn't say it figuratively. He literally activated his Byakugan and looked into Boruto's eyes before making that statement. Prior to that he stated he couldn't see his fate with his own powers and Byakugan.

This isn't the first time the series has played with prophecies and fates. To say a being who was somehow still in the real world (and affected time/space) after being obliterated, was being figurative is reaching in my opinion.

Edit: Especially when that being branded Boruto with a mark and with the flash-forward concluding that Konoha is destroyed and Naruto MIA (His home was taken, his father was taken, the era of which he lived in was taken).

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Not only is it her first time seeing it, if the chakra is equally balanced then it's nearly impossible to figure out who is who unless you're Madara Uchiha, apparently.

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In the end your dojutsu and abilities are only as strong as your chakra. Saying that Vacuum palms is only strong because of the juubi chakra makes no sense as it's Kaguya's power. She became one with the juubi. Rasengan from RSM Naruto is only strong because of the Rikudou chakra.

There's no way to compare a juubi less Vaccum palm from her as that's all her chakra consists of.



The only one who has used similar jutsu has been Kaguya. This is still a small pool you're writing off the outerworld-Byakugan as.

Momoshiki did something that manipulated time leaving only Boruto capable of moving and Sasuke being aware of the changes. Where he stated his Byakugan blood as the reason.

It has been established, he didn't say it figuratively. He literally activated his Byakugan and looked into Boruto's eyes before making that statement. Prior to that he stated he couldn't see his fate with his own powers and Byakugan.

This isn't the first time the series has played with prophecies and fates. To say a being who was somehow still in the real world (and affected time/space) after being obliterated, was being figurative is reaching in my opinion.

Edit: Especially when that being branded Boruto with a mark and with the flash-forward concluding that Konoha is destroyed and Naruto MIA (His home was taken, his father was taken, the era of which he lived in was taken).

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Uhmmm, did you miss where I stated Momoshiki used his Byakugan to see Naruto's chakra network?

It's also not the first the series has back-peddled on its prophesy, such as Naruto being the child of prophesy to there being two children of prophesy.

As per the fact Momoshiki was speaking figuratively, you do know Neji also claimed he could see Naruto's fate, right? Other than the fact this establish another similarity with the Otsutsuki Byakugan, it also give consideration to the outcome of taking it with a grain of salt, since Neji's revelation prove to be a bluff.

 

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Also forgot the whole "he affected time/space yada yada" claim. It doesn't really improve the chance of Momoshiki's proposition to be literal.

Hagoromo could literally move through time, and the Databook stated he watched over his sons transmigrants, yet he didn't know about the whole Kaguya ordeal, and Black Zetsu influences.

I mean the great toad sage who happens to have the ability to see the future talked about how a yellow-haired would save the world. Ostensibly, he forgot to mention it was a joint effort with an emo boy.

 

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Not only is it her first time seeing it, if the chakra is equally balanced then it's nearly impossible to figure out who is who unless you're Madara Uchiha, apparently.

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In the end your dojutsu and abilities are only as strong as your chakra. Saying that Vacuum palms is only strong because of the juubi chakra makes no sense as it's Kaguya's power. She became one with the juubi. Rasengan from RSM Naruto is only strong because of the Rikudou chakra.

There's no way to compare a juubi less Vaccum palm from her as that's all her chakra consists of.

The only one who has used similar jutsu has been Kaguya.

It doesn't matter the Byakugan is supposed to have superior insight and Kaguya's is meant to be at the height of that ability because of the chakra fruit. If she can't tell the difference with her superior eyes then they're not as useful. Also ignoring the SCJ Kaguya's Byakugan didn't let her see through a basic transformation jutsu that is where pathetic is taken to a new level.

Kaguya becoming one with the Jyubi means isn't a valid excuse since others became one with it, they have/had an original power and an amped up power the same is true for all people including Naruto. Kaguya isn't exempt fromantic the rule either.

Acully there is a way but it's not 100. You'll have to take somebody who has used a jutsu as a non jyubi jin and as a jyubi jin then see thow manyfold it's been magnified. After that you deduct the amplification from Kaguya and what your left with would be her original strength or close to it.

It's not a perfect method but it works nonetheless.

 

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Uhmmm, did you miss where I stated Momoshiki used his Byakugan to see Naruto's chakra network?

It's also not the first the series has back-peddled on its prophesy, such as Naruto being the child of prophesy to there being two children of prophesy.

As per the fact Momoshiki was speaking figuratively, you do know Neji also claimed he could see Naruto's fate, right? Other than the fact this establish another similarity with the Otsutsuki Byakugan, it also give consideration to the outcome of taking it with a grain of salt, since Neji's revelation prove to be a bluff.

No, I didn't. It's obvious he'd be able to see his network, it's byakugan. If you're going to count that as a similar jutsu then ok.

As of the time skip, Boruto has lost several things, so until something changes that, the fate prediction still holds weight.

Neji was speaking figuratively and isn't a alien. Momoshiki was not. That's like saying the toad's/hagoromo's prophecy are them speaking figuratively.

Also forgot the whole "he affected time/space yada yada" claim. It doesn't really improve the chance of Momoshiki's proposition to be literal.

Hagoromo could literally move through time, and the Databook stated he watched over his sons transmigrants, yet he didn't know about the whole Kaguya ordeal, and Black Zetsu influences.

I mean the great toad sage who happens to have the ability to see the future talked about how a yellow-haired would save the world. Ostensibly, he forgot to mention it was a joint effort with an emo boy.

It improves the chance given what the timeskip shows. Boruto lost his home, the era he lived in, and his father. Until the future timeskip debunks this, there's no way to tell that momoshiki was being figurative.

Sasuke ended trying to control the world and kill Naruto. Sasuke was the final villain. He himself broke the curse of transmigrant, saving the world.

If you're going to do that, it was a joint effort from way more people than the, "emo boy".

Hagoromo was right about his prophecy of Naruto reuniting all the bijuu as well.

It doesn't matter the Byakugan is supposed to have superior insight and Kaguya's is meant to be at the height of that ability because of the chakra fruit. If she can't tell the difference with her superior eyes then they're not as useful. Also ignoring the SCJ Kaguya's Byakugan didn't let her see through a basic transformation jutsu that is where pathetic is taken to a new level.

Kaguya becoming one with the Jyubi means isn't a valid excuse since others became one with it, they have/had an original power and an amped up power the same is true for all people including Naruto. Kaguya isn't exempt fromantic the rule either.

Acully there is a way but it's not 100. You'll have to take somebody who has used a jutsu as a non jyubi jin and as a jyubi jin then see thow manyfold it's been magnified. After that you deduct the amplification from Kaguya and what your left with would be her original strength or close to it.

It's not a perfect method but it works nonetheless.

Where does it say byakugan is supposed to have superior insight to differentiate a jutsu that not even sharingan/rinnegan can do? It's been established that unless you have an uncanny intuition like Madara, you aren't going to know who is whom when it comes to SCJ.

We do not know how strong Kaguya was prior to the fruit. We do for others. That's why she's exempt. There's no base of comparison that's 100% correct as no one has used that tech before. You can't deduct the amplification because no one has used it.

 

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No, I didn't. It's obvious he'd be able to see his network, it's byakugan. If you're going to count that as a similar jutsu then ok.

As of the time skip, Boruto has lost several things, so until something changes that, the fate prediction still holds weight.

Neji was speaking figuratively and isn't a alien. Momoshiki was not. That's like saying the toad's/hagoromo's prophecy are them speaking figuratively.





It improves the chance given what the timeskip shows. Boruto lost his home, the era he lived in, and his father. Until the future timeskip debunks this, there's no way to tell that momoshiki was being figurative.

Sasuke ended trying to control the world and kill Naruto. Sasuke was the final villain. He himself broke the curse of transmigrant, saving the world.

If you're going to do that, it was a joint effort from way more people than the, "emo boy".

Hagoromo was right about his prophecy of Naruto reuniting all the bijuu as well.



Where does it say byakugan is supposed to have superior insight to differentiate a jutsu that not even sharingan/rinnegan can do? It's been established that unless you have an uncanny intuition like Madara, you aren't going to know who is whom when it comes to SCJ.

Kakashi mentioned the Byakugan had superior insight to the Sharingan yet peak Byakugan(Kaguya's) couldn't see through clones,. Madara couldn't see through clones because of intuition but because of his Sharingan confimring a lesser eye has greater ability than peak Byakugan. All I'm reading are excuses to cover for Kaguya's fodder eye. Anyway there was another point she couldn't see through a basic transformation jutsu with her Byakugan which takes pathetic to another level.

We do not know how strong Kaguya was prior to the fruit. We do for others. That's why she's exempt. There's no base of comparison that's 100% correct as no one has used that tech before. You can't deduct the amplification because no one has used it.

You're deflecting ithe comparison isn't based off one technique. The chakra fruit amplifies all techniques since you're chakra is amplified. Since chakra is the source of jutsu power the comparison would be valid granted it wouldn't be perfect.

If another Jyubi Jin has used a technique prior to being a Jyubi host and after being jyubi host the reduction can be applied. Kaguya isnt exempt from the rule you'll reduce accordingly and get a rough idea.

 

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Kakashi mentioned it had superior insight, and Madara couldn't see through clones because of intuition but because of his Sharingan. All I'm reading are excuses to cover for Kaguya's fodder eye. Anyway there was another point she couldn't see through a basic transformation jutsu with her Byakugan which is truly pathetic on another level.



You're deflecting it's not based off one texhnique the chakra fruit amplify all techniques since you're chakra is amplified and it is the source of jutsu power. If another Jyubi Jin has used a technique prior to being a Jyubi host and after being jyubi host the reduction can be applied. Kaguya isnt exempt from the rule you'll reduce accordingly.

Kakashi was specific in what he was referring to when he made that statement. It was in regard to the Tenketsu points. Byakugan excels in neigh 360 degree field of vision over long distances/ x-ray vision and viewing tenketsu points.

You're not being pragmatic and passing off the facts i've given you within the manga as, "excuses". For you to state that her Byakugan is, "fodder" only furthers my reason to stop addressing you all together. Not to mention what you're replying to wasn't directed to you in way.

Where did it state it was because of sharingan? Both Madara and Sasuke have the same time of tomoe and not even Sasuke could differentiate clones. The only one who was capable of doing that was Madara. Itachi also couldn't differentiate a clone when he fought against Team 7.

This is my last reply to you. Anyone who uses the word, "fodder" or calls a dojutsu that off the reasoning you've provided isn't going to get my attention.

 

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No where was this stated.

Then where was it stated her byakugan is a Kekkei Genkai? Cause according to the Db, all of Kaguya's techniques are classified as KKM.

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You need to get your facts right bro. Byakugan is also one of her Kekkei Mora lol. No wonder you're making such foolish claims that she preferred her rinnesharingan over the byakugan.
She used whichever attack was the most suitable for a situation and byakugan abilities mostly for offense. Like the 80 god vacuum palm attack to neg Sasuke or the needle attack.

Then where was it stated her byakugan is a Kekkei Genkai? Cause according to the Db, all of Kaguya's techniques are classified as KKM.

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Byakugan: The Kekkei Genkai passed down through the Hyūga Clan. From Kaguya to Hamura, and so on. After passing through a great many generations, the Hyūga Clan became the sole inheritors of Kaguya's Byakugan. Since its founding, the Hyūga's leadership has been dedicated to preserving this Kekkei Genkai, which has allowed them to thrive.

 

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Byakugan: The Kekkei Genkai passed down through the Hyūga Clan. From Kaguya to Hamura, and so on. After passing through a great many generations, the Hyūga Clan became the sole inheritors of Kaguya's Byakugan. Since its founding, the Hyūga's leadership has been dedicated to preserving this Kekkei Genkai, which has allowed them to thrive.

The byakugan wrt the Hyuga is a KKG. You see in my first image that it clearly says the 'special characteristics' a character has. What are Kaguya's special characteristics? A Byakugan, Rinnesharingan, Bone ability and so on. Those are classified as KKM.

Except you are trying to say the bone ability is also not a KKM because it has been listed as a KKG under Kimimaro before.

 

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The byakugan wrt the Hyuga is a KKG. You see in my first image that it clearly says the 'special characteristics' a character has. What are Kaguya's special characteristics? A Byakugan, Rinnesharingan, Bone ability and so on. Those are classified as KKM.

Except you are trying to say the bone ability is also not a KKM because it has been listed as a KKG under Kimimaro before.

Read the statement, but this time with a meticulous approach.

It directly emphasize the Hyuga inherited and preserved Kaguya's Kekkei-Genkai. In Kimimaro's case, it clearly posited his clan ability was a mitigated version of Kaguya's murder-ash killing bones.

Additionally, the Databook stated Kaguya's children inherited her doujutsu. Hagoromo inherited Kaguya's Rinne-sharingan, and Hamura acquired Kaguya's Byakugan. In the same vein, Hagoromo's Rinnegan was labelled a Kekkei-mora, positing it was characteristically similar to Kaguya's Rinne-sharingan. If Kaguya's Byakugan was a Kekkei-mora, Hamura's Byakugan would be as well, yet it was labelled a Kekkei-Genkai thus proving Kaguya's Byakugan was a Kekkei-Genkai.

It should be noted Kekkei-mora was mostly an attribute of Kaguya's attacks solely.

 

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Read the statement, but this time with a meticulous approach.

It directly emphasize the Hyuga inherited and preserved Kaguya's Kekkei-Genkai. In Kimimaro's case, it clearly posited his clan ability was a mitigated version of Kaguya's murder-ash killing bones.

Additionally, the Databook stated Kaguya's children inherited her doujutsu. Hagoromo inherited Kaguya's Rinne-sharingan, and Hamura acquired Kaguya's Byakugan. In the same vein, Hagoromo's Rinnegan was labelled a Kekkei-mora, positing it was characteristically similar to Kaguya's Rinne-sharingan. If Kaguya's Byakugan was a Kekkei-mora, Hamura's Byakugan would be as well, yet it was labelled a Kekkei-Genkai thus proving Kaguya's Byakugan was a Kekkei-Genkai.

It should be noted Kekkei-mora was mostly an attribute of Kaguya's attacks solely.

C'mon bro.. its right there. It even states people can own several characteristics which means if you were right, the Kekkei Genkai kanji would have also been listed as one of her characteristics.

With this logic also, Hagoromo's Rinnegan would be a Kekkei Genkai seeing as Nagato has his listed as a Kekkei Genkai.

 

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C'mon bro.. its right there. It even states people can own several characteristics which means if you were right, the Kekkei Genkai kanji would have also been listed as one of her characteristics.

With this logic also, Hagoromo's Rinnegan would be a Kekkei Genkai seeing as Nagato has his listed as a Kekkei Genkai.

These people were shown to have special characteristics. No where was it stated Kaguya's Byakugan was a Kekkei-mora, and a Kekkei-Genkai. The databook only suggested Hamura and Hyuga inherited Kaguya's Kekkei-Genkai.

Nagato did not inherit Hagoromo's Rinnegan. This is simply grasping for straws.

 

[Glad Of War]

From what I posted earlier; the Databook mentioned Kaguya's Rinne-sharingan was an embodiment of her chakra. This implies it represented her chakra, thus supporting the notion only her Rinne-sharingan was a Kekkei-mora.

As of now, It has don on me Hyuga fanboys would rather be incredulous, than accept what seem to be factual. Though I don't get what's so hard to believe in that respect.

 

[Jinrou]

These people were shown to have special characteristics. No where was it stated Kaguya's Byakugan was a Kekkei-mora, and a Kekkei-Genkai. The databook only suggested Hamura and Hyuga inherited Kaguya's Kekkei-Genkai.

Nagato did not inherit Hagoromo's Rinnegan. This is simply grasping for straws.

What people? Its right there in the 4th DB. It wasn't long ago you said "Kekkei Mora because it embodied Kaguya's chakra" why does that logic now exclude only the Byakugan? Again. its right there.. If her byakugan was a KKG like you claim, the kanji would have been listed as well.

Its Madara's rinnegan though.. but yeah, this part is irrelevant and i'll be dropping it.

 

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Kakashi was specific in what he was referring to when he made that statement. It was in regard to the Tenketsu points. Byakugan excels in neigh 360 degree field of vision over long distances/ x-ray vision and viewing tenketsu points.

Actually it's insight ability is greater than that it can see colours of chakra(to determine who's chakra it is), build up of chakra for jutsu to etc.

That's why I reiterate Kaguya's Byakugan is pathetic she couldn't even see through a basic henge jutsu.

You're not being pragmatic and passing off the facts i've given you within the manga as, "excuses". For you to state that her Byakugan is, "fodder" only furthers my reason to stop addressing you all together. Not to mention what you're replying to wasn't directed to you in way.

They are excuses though and I'm being more than fair. I made it clear and specific to Kaguya's fodder Byakugan and didn't generalise it. The reason I said it's fodder were already highlighted. You're right the post wasn't directed towards me however this is a public forum, if you post expect to be quoted.

Where did it state it was because of sharingan? Both Madara and Sasuke have the same time of tomoe and not even Sasuke could differentiate clones. The only one who was capable of doing that was Madara. Itachi also couldn't differentiate a clone when he fought against Team 7.

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I don't see intuition, but I do see Kakashi's shock as Madara looks at Naruto straight up and confirms it's a SC off of a glance then asks where's the original.

This should confirm Madara sees through Clones because of his ocular abilities and not because of intuition. As for Sasuke sharing the same tomoe that doesn't equal the same abilities, I don't see Madara using Ama or Enton do you?

This is my last reply to you. Anyone who uses the word, "fodder" or calls a dojutsu that off the reasoning you've provided isn't going to get my attention.

Fair enough solid reasoning tends to rustle either way I'm not bothered.