If naruto won all his fights w/o 9tails what would be your excuse 2 why he won??

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It did, but Naruto still could have applied himself far Better than he did which would significantly increased his level above all others his age like it did Sasuke in the academy, and everyone in general later on.

Did you forget that no one wanted anything to do with Naruto because he's a Jinchuriki? That's one of the primary reasons why he was underdeveloped in his knowledge because he wanted attention and started doing pranks. And what do you mean by applying himself? He was constantly doing that, but it wasn't getting him anywhere because of Kurama's massive power within him.

For example, Naruto mastered the Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin level technique in hours. The Kyuubi's power also aided in his recovery thus allowing him to train longer, that plus with having ample supplies of his own chakra more than everyone else is tremendous.

I blame this on Naruto's teachers more than him. Kakashi played favorites with Sasuke and Jiraiya didn't bother to teach him what he knew.



Lol, you clearly don't have a good enough understanding of the story. Even without ANY external power sources, If Masashi had Sasuke use his abilties to the best of his advantage, he would have still been greater than everyone else.

Would he? Keep in mind that Naruto and Sasuke mastered tree climbing at the same time despite the heavy restrictions on Naruto's end. Naruto did better against Gaara when he transformed compared to Sasuke too. Naruto was also the leading factor for Sasuke going to Orochimaru for power because of jealously.

If anything, it says a lot about Naruto's potential compared to Sasuke's, though I find them both naturally talented.

The difference between the Curse Mark and the Kyuubi was back then Naruto could only use the Kyuubi's chakra whenever the Kyuubi decided to give him some.

Naruto later learned how to use the power on his own. He didn't ask for it when used some of it before he confronted Kimimaro.

Whereas Sasuke could freely use the CM of his own will.

Read above.

The Kyuuubi healed Naruto, such as when Sasuke stabbed his Chidori through him,

And the Curse Mark gives Sasuke the ability to fly. Different abilities, borrowed powers.

whereas the CM negatively effected Sasuke, such as causing him extreme pain from using it until he mastered it.

Do I need to post scans of Naruto and his clones writhing in pain during the Rasenshuriken training from using Kurama's power? More importantly, do I need to post when Naruto gained KCM and how all the negative aspects went away?

Big difference.

Not as many as you thought.
 
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Yeah, it was Team Naruto, they brought in Sasuke so I stomped them.

You didn't stomp anyone. I just found it weird that you'll talk about Naruto's character because of specific reasons, but not Sasuke's for the same reason.
 

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He's a Jinchuriki, anyone would stomp him without the Bijuu's help. Take away Itachi's eyes and Sasuke gets murked :l

Why create obvious match-ups when taking away their main abilities?

Sasuke didn't have Itachi's eyes for 487 chapters, and even without ANY external power sources Sasuke was one of the best at the beginning of the story, and would have continued to be without them, especially if Masashi had Sasuke use his abilities to their full potential.

I'll save that explanation for another time

People always fail to mention that Naruto was out of chakra at that T7 reunion. And the drugs Sasuke took=D

False, Sasuke taking drugs was nothing nor than speculation from Tsunade/Sakura cause they were surprised by how strong he had gotten.



Naruto was low on chakra, but he himself knew he was far below Sasuke, and said it.



You were either selective reading, or ignorant on these facts.


Did you forget that no one wanted anything to do with Naruto because he's a Jinchuriki? That's one of the primary reasons why he was underdeveloped in his knowledge because he wanted attention and started doing pranks. And what do you mean by applying himself? He was constantly doing that, but it wasn't getting him anywhere because of Kurama's massive power within him.



I blame this on Naruto's teachers more than him. Kakashi played favorites with Sasuke and Jiraiya didn't bother to teach him what he knew.





Would he? Keep in mind that Naruto and Sasuke mastered tree climbing at the same time despite the heavy restrictions on Naruto's end. Naruto did better against Gaara when he transformed compared to Sasuke too. Naruto was also the leading factor for Sasuke going to Orochimaru for power because of jealously.

If anything, it says a lot about Naruto's potential compared to Sasuke's, though I find them both naturally talented.



Naruto later learned how to use the power on his own. He didn't ask for it when used some of it before he confronted Kimimaro.



Read above.



And the Curse Mark gives Sasuke the ability to fly. Different abilities, borrowed powers.



Do I need to post scans of Naruto and his clones writhing in pain during the Rasenshuriken training from using Kurama's power? More importantly, do I need to post when Naruto gained KCM and how all the negative aspects went away?



Not as many as you thought.

I covered some of the stuff you said in my response to others, like Naruto Vs Gaara in the Forest.

Kakashi didn't play favorites, the reason he choose to train Sasuke during the Chunin Exams was because he knew Orochimaru was after, gave him the CM, and was trying to make Sasuke rely on him for power. To bring down the chances of Sasuke going to Orochimaru, Kakashi trained him in order to help him significantly become stronger within a short amount of time.

Naruto wasn't in danger at the time, and needed to work on the basics.

As I said, the Kyuubi withheld Naruto but Naruto himself has massive amounts of chakra, which helped him Tree climb right along with Sasuke for several days in a row, the negative vs the positives kinda balanced each other out.

And Naruto went to the Ninja academy for years like Sasuke, yet didn't know what nature elements were until he was 16, whereas by that time Sasuke already mastered 2, again, I covered this in my previous posts.

If he paid attention in the academy, he would of knew of such basic information, and could have practiced.

You didn't stomp anyone. I just found it weird that you'll talk about Naruto's character because of specific reasons, but not Sasuke's for the same reason.

You didn't read my full responses, I bet you only read the portion that was addressed to you. It was a clear victory.
 
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Sasuke didn't have Itachi's eyes for 487 chapters, and even without ANY external power sources Sasuke was one of the best at the beginning of the story, and would have continued to be without them, especially if Masashi had Sasuke use his abilities to their full potential.

I'll save that explanation for another time



False, Sasuke taking drugs was nothing nor than speculation from Tsunade/Sakura cause they were surprised by how strong he had gotten.



Naruto was low on chakra, but he himself knew he was far below Sasuke, and said it.



You were either selective reading, or ignorant on these facts.










The Mind Awakening Pill (醒心丸, Seishingan) is a drug created by Orochimaru to speed up the development of the Cursed Seal to increase the level of the user's Cursed Seal to level 2. However, this will greatly increase the Cursed Seal's contamination speed, killing the user in a few minutes. To allow the user's body to get used to the Cursed Seal Level 2, they have to be sealed within the Four Black Fogs Formation. This will reduce the permanent death to a false death state. As mentioned by Sasuke, the pill not only awakens the second stage of a curse seal, but also greatly increases the power of their base form as well.
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The difference between the Curse Mark and the Kyuubi was back then Naruto could only use the Kyuubi's chakra whenever the Kyuubi decided to give him some. Whereas Sasuke could freely use the CM of his own will. The Kyuuubi healed Naruto, such as when Sasuke stabbed his Chidori through him, whereas the CM negatively effected Sasuke, such as causing him extreme pain from using it until he mastered it.

Big differences.


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If he had no Kurama to begin with, then he would have been more op.
 

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The Mind Awakening Pill (醒心丸, Seishingan) is a drug created by Orochimaru to speed up the development of the Cursed Seal to increase the level of the user's Cursed Seal to level 2. However, this will greatly increase the Cursed Seal's contamination speed, killing the user in a few minutes. To allow the user's body to get used to the Cursed Seal Level 2, they have to be sealed within the Four Black Fogs Formation. This will reduce the permanent death to a false death state. As mentioned by Sasuke, the pill not only awakens the second stage of a curse seal, but also greatly increases the power of their base form as well.
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Right lmao :lol
 

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Fact Naruto is the Star and the Hero, so He is going to win in His own Manga/Movies and anime. To think other wise is just plain dumb. People who keep saying Naruto can’t win without this or that are just being plain stupid sines the seies belongs to Kishi and only Kishi can determine the outcome of His work not them.
 

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The Mind Awakening Pill (醒心丸, Seishingan) is a drug created by Orochimaru to speed up the development of the Cursed Seal to increase the level of the user's Cursed Seal to level 2. However, this will greatly increase the Cursed Seal's contamination speed, killing the user in a few minutes. To allow the user's body to get used to the Cursed Seal Level 2, they have to be sealed within the Four Black Fogs Formation. This will reduce the permanent death to a false death state. As mentioned by Sasuke, the pill not only awakens the second stage of a curse seal, but also greatly increases the power of their base form as well.
:bdpf:

Lol, fail. I was talking about during the 2 and a Half year time skip...the only "drug" he took was the pill for the CM that he was forcefully given.

By the way, did you forget the Akimichi clans pellets? Or the pellets Lib used in the Chunin exam against Naruto? Those are Shinobi tools.

Right lmao :lol

False, read above.
 
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