How far would sasuke be without cm? Wasn't those mist fodders stomping him neg diff lol Naruto had no choice in having kurama sasuke had a choice with cm he took the easy way out and sasuke barely beat diedra with cm and had his weakness Naruto got power from kurama but he wasn't in control and who did sasuke fight harder than pain? In part one who sasuke fought compared to neji or full transformed gaara or kabuto just stfu troll
Sasuke never fought mist Shinobi with the CM, he fought 2 Mist Chunin in chapter 10, which he owned with absolute ease despite being a Genin, and this being his first time out of the village, on his first big mission facing off against his first opponents in a life, and death battle.
You probably meant the Sound Shinobi in the Forest Of Death, no they weren't stomping him, they were stomping Sakura, and Lee.
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Sasuke was passed out from previously holding his own with Orochimaru, impressing him, and earning the CM.
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I already covered the Deidara stuff in my comment above... The Curse Mark wasn't easy, and how hyprocritical are you....just as Naruto had to learn how to control the Kyuubi that he was forcefully given, so did Sasuke with the CM he was forcefully given...
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Sasuke was compared to Neji, they were both the best of their generation, and wanted to fight each other. After witnessing Sasuke own His opponent in the Preliminaries, TenTen wondered who would win between Neji, and Sasuke if they fought, Lee was impressed at his Growth, so was Kakashi ,and Gai compared him to Kakashi. I believe it was chapter 68, but i'll post the panels below.
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All that was regardless of the Curse Mark, and so is this.
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Sasuke completely owned Gaara in the Chunin Staduim. Nice of you to skip over that, and point out Naruto Vs Gaara where Naruto had Gamabunta and the Kyuubi's help, which you choose not to mention.
How far would sasuke be without cm? Wasn't those mist fodders stomping him neg diff lol Naruto had no choice in having kurama sasuke had a choice with cm he took the easy way out and sasuke barely beat diedra with cm and had his weakness Naruto got power from kurama but he wasn't in control and who did sasuke fight harder than pain? In part one who sasuke fought compared to neji or full transformed gaara or kabuto just stfu troll
Sasuke would actually get VERY far without power ups. Naruto won't, Naruto even said "It takes all my concentration to just do a Rasengan." Without SM or Nine Tails, Naruto is at lee's level at most. For Sasuke, he is able to solo the whole team 7 in beginning of shippuden without using sharingan.
Sasuke would actually get VERY far without power ups. Naruto won't, Naruto even said "It takes all my concentration to just do a Rasengan." Without SM or Nine Tails, Naruto is at lee's level at most. For Sasuke, he is able to solo the whole team 7 in beginning of shippuden without using sharingan.
Sasuke would actually get VERY far without power ups. Naruto won't, Naruto even said "It takes all my concentration to just do a Rasengan." Without SM or Nine Tails, Naruto is at lee's level at most. For Sasuke, he is able to solo the whole team 7 in beginning of shippuden without using sharingan.
Sasuke got saved by plot so many times without CM he wouldn't have killed orochimaru or diedara or put up a good fight against itachi. without Itachi's eyes he'd be a blind nobody right now.
Sasuke would actually get VERY far without power ups. Naruto won't, Naruto even said "It takes all my concentration to just do a Rasengan." SM or Nine Tails, Naruto is at lee's level at most. For Sasuke, he is able to solo the whole team 7 in beginning of shippuden without using sharingan.
All that happened after sasuke got cm and trainer under oro Naruto was barely trained for a while and Naruto struggled to make the rasengan because of the Kyuubi hindering him dude and again Naruto didn't fight sasuke to the best of his ability because of the feelings he had for him u sasuke fapboys can't comprehend that. The time when sasuke fought team 7 he was at his peak Naruto hadn't even started learning to control his powers sasuke was ahead training wise . Saspainuke didn't get much stronger than that and until he got itachis eyes Naruto covered a lot of ground in a short time it actually makes sasuke look pathetic how could he let Naruto close the gap in power so fast I mean Naruto with rasenshuriken is as strong as sasuke that fought team 7 sm Naruto stomps ms sasuke and Bsm Naruto stomps ems sasuke too and I say this because ms sasuke stands no chance against pain he could barely beat kakashi and killer bee stomped him . Sm Naruto beat 3rd raikage countered madara and beat pain also ems sasuke marveled at Bsm Naruto so saying they are equals then is blasphemy Naruto even asked sasuke could he keep up
I've been a fan of this story for 10 years, and Naruto has always been my 2nd favorite character. If he usually fought alone, without the Kyuubi's ASSISTANCE/ power (having the Kyuubi gather and give him chakra as he fights cause he's top busy fighting to do It himself, hence the Final battle/giving him chakra when he himself simply has none left, hence Vs Neji, and Gaara) , then I would like him alot more, because he would be more independent.
Naruto would be greater If he developed his own skills rather than relied on the Kyuubi.
Some people should just accept that he's often had the Kyuubi's help. Everything is not about soloing, one of the main themes of this story is teamwork, Naruto himself greatly values and accepts teamwork, including the Kyuubi's at many times. Pointing this out isn't a problem, it's just some people want to give Naruto all the credit as if he did everything himself.
Really dude? If you're going to say something like that, please remember that a big part of Sasuke's development was the Curse Mark, Jugo's power, and Itachi's eyes. Before you say they don't give out strategies and the like, keep in mind that Kurama never did that until the War Arc.
The same way Kurama helped Naruto, the Curse Mark is what saved and helped Sasuke plenty of times too.
1. Would have died against Gaara if the Curse Mark didn't give him extra power.
2. Gave him enough power to overcome Orochimaru.
3. Gave him the power to fight against Deidara. He would have died without it.
4. Gave him the power to fight against Itachi.
Sasuke may have been fighting by himself, but it wasn't always with his own power is what I'm saying.
All that happened after sasuke got cm and trainer under oro Naruto was barely trained for a while and Naruto struggled to make the rasengan because of the Kyuubi hindering him dude and again Naruto didn't fight sasuke to the best of his ability because of the feelings he had for him u sasuke fapboys can't comprehend that. The time when sasuke fought team 7 he was at his peak Naruto hadn't even started learning to control his powers sasuke was ahead training wise . Saspainuke didn't get much stronger than that and until he got itachis eyes Naruto covered a lot of ground in a short time it actually makes sasuke look pathetic how could he let Naruto close the gap in power so fast I mean Naruto with rasenshuriken is as strong as sasuke that fought team 7 sm Naruto stomps ms sasuke and Bsm Naruto stomps ems sasuke too and I say this because ms sasuke stands no chance against pain he could barely beat kakashi and killer bee stomped him . Sm Naruto beat 3rd raikage countered madara and beat pain also ems sasuke marveled at Bsm Naruto so saying they are equals then is blasphemy Naruto even asked sasuke could he keep up
Really dude? If you're going to say something like that, please remember that a big part of Sasuke's development was the Curse Mark, Jugo's power, and Itachi's eyes. Before you say they don't give out strategies and the like, keep in mind that Kurama never did that until the War Arc.
The same way Kurama helped Naruto, the Curse Mark is what saved and helped Sasuke plenty of times too.
1. Would have died against Gaara if the Curse Mark didn't give him extra power.
2. Gave him enough power to overcome Orochimaru.
3. Gave him the power to fight against Deidara. He would have died without it.
4. Gave him the power to fight against Itachi.
Sasuke may have been fighting by himself, but it wasn't always with his own power is what I'm saying.
4/4 man your right kurama only helped out later when he realised that he might get captured, plus he was always the one holding Naruto back not helping like in his Sage Mode training.
Sasuke never fought mist Shinobi with the CM, he fought 2 Mist Chunin in chapter 10, which he owned with absolute ease despite being a Genin, and this being his first time out of the village, on his first big mission facing off against his first opponents in a life, and death battle.
You probably meant the Sound Shinobi in the Forest Of Death, no they weren't stomping him, they were stomping Sakura, and Lee.
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Sasuke was passed out from previously holding his own with Orochimaru, impressing him, and earning the CM.
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I already covered the Deidara stuff in my comment above... The Curse Mark wasn't easy, and how hyprocritical are you....just as Naruto had to learn how to control the Kyuubi that he was forcefully given, so did Sasuke with the CM he was forcefully given...
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Sasuke was compared to Neji, they were both the best of their generation, and wanted to fight each other. After witnessing Sasuke own His opponent in the Preliminaries, TenTen wondered who would win between Neji, and Sasuke if they fought, Lee was impressed at his Growth, so was Kakashi ,and Gai compared him to Kakashi. I believe it was chapter 68, but i'll post the panels below.
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All that was regardless of the Curse Mark, and so is this.
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Sasuke completely owned Gaara in the Chunin Staduim. Nice of you to skip over that, and point out Naruto Vs Gaara where Naruto had Gamabunta and the Kyuubi's help, which you choose not to mention.
u didn't beat anyone in an argument dummy u saying naruto needed the toad and kurama to beat gaara makes him look better he did a summoning only previously done by minato and Jiraiya and also did transformation with a summon he had no prior training with if sasuke did this u wouldn't shut up about it. Also who cares what ten ten said Naruto actually beat neji and he still lost against fodders the sound ninja and Choji defeated one of them without cm lol sasuke is pathetic he actually got more power ups than Naruto no to mention all the zetsus he had in him and they can also amp yo power
It did, but Naruto still could have applied himself far Better than he did which would significantly increased his level above all others his age like it did Sasuke in the academy, and everyone in general later on.
For example, Naruto mastered the Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin level technique in hours. The Kyuubi's power also aided in his recovery thus allowing him to train longer, that plus with having ample supplies of his own chakra more than everyone else is tremendous.
Really dude? If you're going to say something like that, please remember that a big part of Sasuke's development was the Curse Mark, Jugo's power, and Itachi's eyes. Before you say they don't give out strategies and the like, keep in mind that Kurama never did that until the War Arc.
The same way Kurama helped Naruto, the Curse Mark is what saved and helped Sasuke plenty of times too.
1. Would have died against Gaara if the Curse Mark didn't give him extra power.
2. Gave him enough power to overcome Orochimaru.
3. Gave him the power to fight against Deidara. He would have died without it.
4. Gave him the power to fight against Itachi.
Sasuke may have been fighting by himself, but it wasn't always with his own power is what I'm saying.
Lol, you clearly don't have a good enough understanding of the story. Even without ANY external power sources, If Masashi had Sasuke use his abilties to the best of his advantage, he would have still been greater than everyone else.
The difference between the Curse Mark and the Kyuubi was back then Naruto could only use the Kyuubi's chakra whenever the Kyuubi decided to give him some. Whereas Sasuke could freely use the CM of his own will. The Kyuuubi healed Naruto, such as when Sasuke stabbed his Chidori through him, whereas the CM negatively effected Sasuke, such as causing him extreme pain from using it until he mastered it.
Sasuke got saved by plot so many times without CM he wouldn't have killed orochimaru or diedara or put up a good fight against itachi. without Itachi's eyes he'd be a blind nobody right now.
u didn't beat anyone in an argument dummy u saying naruto needed the toad and kurama to beat gaara makes him look better he did a summoning only previously done by minato and Jiraiya and also did transformation with a summon he had no prior training with if sasuke did this u wouldn't shut up about it. Also who cares what ten ten said Naruto actually beat neji and he still lost against fodders the sound ninja and Choji defeated one of them without cm lol sasuke is pathetic he actually got more power ups than Naruto no to mention all the zetsus he had in him and they can also amp yo power
You really need to reread. Naruto himself Said he ran out of chakra when after he created a massive amount of clones. Then seconds later he summoned Gamabunta, how could he have summoned Gamabunta if he had no chakra? The Kyuubi. Jiraiya told Naruto that he didn't have enough chakra to summon the a big Toad, and needed to use his "other chakra" (The Kyuubi) to do so.
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So yeah, you are wrong, summoning Gamabunta didn't make Naruto look better.
Do not blindly support Naruto.
Sasuke never lost to the Sound Ninjas... Naruto beat Neji with the Kyuubi's help, how is it you think it's fine to downplay Sasuke for using the Curse Mark yet when Naruto defeats an opponent from asking the Kyuubi for chakra you praise him?
Naruto's Main power source is the Kyuubi, and he had more power ups from it then Sasuke did from the CM/EMS.
All that happened after sasuke got cm and trainer under oro Naruto was barely trained for a while and Naruto struggled to make the rasengan because of the Kyuubi hindering him dude and again Naruto didn't fight sasuke to the best of his ability because of the feelings he had for him u sasuke fapboys can't comprehend that. The time when sasuke fought team 7 he was at his peak Naruto hadn't even started learning to control his powers sasuke was ahead training wise . Saspainuke didn't get much stronger than that and until he got itachis eyes Naruto covered a lot of ground in a short time it actually makes sasuke look pathetic how could he let Naruto close the gap in power so fast I mean Naruto with rasenshuriken is as strong as sasuke that fought team 7 sm Naruto stomps ms sasuke and Bsm Naruto stomps ems sasuke too and I say this because ms sasuke stands no chance against pain he could barely beat kakashi and killer bee stomped him . Sm Naruto beat 3rd raikage countered madara and beat pain also ems sasuke marveled at Bsm Naruto so saying they are equals then is blasphemy Naruto even asked sasuke could he keep up
Your reading comprehension is absolutely horrible. Naruto had a month training with Jiraiya for the Rasengan, then 2 and a half years with him then faced off against Sasuke, who stomps him with absolute ease, aswell the 3 other people on Team 7.
Naruto covered alot of ground because he had to in order to catch up to Sasuke. The main point of the RS training was so Naruto could catch up to Sasuke.
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And even after attaining Sage Mode, from seeing Sasuke at the summit, Naruto said be needed the Kyuubi's chakra to fight Sasuke.
And how hypocritical of you, your excuse as to why Sasuke stomped Naruto at the begining of Part 2 saying Sasuke was ahead of Naruto in training, then later you say Sasuke didn't get much stronger afterwards until be got Itachi's eyes, unlike Naruto.
Well obviously that's because Naruto, unlike Sasuke, spent multiple arcs training.....
" Naruto covered a lot of ground in a short time it actually makes sasuke look pathetic how could he let Naruto close the gap in power so fast"
No, Naruto was the pathetic one... Sasuke's growth as a Shinobi was far greater than Naruto's.
Yeah after 2 and a half years of training, Sasuke owned Team 7 with absolute ease. The Kyuubi even begged Sasuke not to kill Naruto, and when Sasuke left, Naruto was down on the ground on his knees crying about how weak he is compared to him.
Then he went on to spend multiple arcs training to catch up to Sasuke,
1)The RasenShuriken training where he made thousands of shadow clones in order to gain experience faster/bring down the amount of time it would take to learn/develop his first nature element, Wind Style, and learn/master the RasenShuriken, whereas Sasuke learned two nature elements at a much younger age and had them both mastered before Naruto even knew what nature elements were, much less his what his own nature element was, and this was without the aid of thousands of shadow clones.
As Kakashi said, it usually takes Shinobi months/years to develop their nature element. Sasuke learning/developing both of his within days (Fire Style in a week at age 7/8 for the Fire Ball jutsu, and Lightning Style in 15 days at age 13 for Chidori, along with physically developing his body and attaining Lee’s High Speed Taijutsu). Very impressive feats, no wonder he’s called a Prodigious Ninja Genuis.
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2)Sage Mode training, where Naruto also used a few clones (this time only 3), but also had the Toad oil to speed up his learning process, whereas Sasuke was dealing with Nature Energy, and Senjutsu years earlier from the Curse Mark, which he had mastered before Naruto even knew what Nature energy was.
On top of mastering Fire Style by the start of Part 1, and Lightning Style by the start of Part 2, Sasuke had also mastered the Sharingan, Sharingan Genjutsu, The Curse Mark, Shape Manipulation, became skilled in Swordsmenship, became significantly faster, physically stronger, and thoroughly learned Orochimaru’s Snake powers without even having it himself, hence being able to use it so well upon absorbing him. He also learned sealing jutsu, hence sealing Orochimaru within his Curse Mark, and reviving him through Anko’s.
Meanwhile Naruto just learned how to make a Bigass Rasengan,improved his Taijutsu, and learned some Genjutsu counter.
No wonder he got owned so easily, Sasuke is far more intelligent, and skilled then him. His learning ability is outstanding, if only Masashi didn’t restrict him the whole story then he’d have been alot stronger/greater than he was.
Even after the RS, and SM training, Naruto still felt that he wasn’t strong enough to face Sasuke, so he decided to attain the Kyuubi’s chakra.
That big loss impacted Naruto alot, and greatly furthered his growth.
Sasuke was very exhausted when he fought Kakashi, as for Sasuke vs Bee.
Sasuke was holding back because he needed to capture him alive,still hadn't recovered from his battle against Itachi, lost the CM which he had mastered and incoporated into his fighting style for years,and was literally using the MS for the first time.Despite all this,Bee said Sasuke was the only one other the Raikage to dodge his Hachibi enhanced speed,and was one of the strongest he ever fought.
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This is from when he was saved from Sasuke's Genjutsu.
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This panel is from Kisame Vs Bee but it's very true.The Hachibi spoke the truth.
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SM Naruto with Hachibi's intel, and a whole division of the army's help defeated the 3rd Raikage....And Naruto with Intel on Pain's abilities, help from a platoon of Toads, the Kyuubi, and Minato defeated Pain.
Sasuke was holding back because he needed to capture him alive,still hadn't recovered from his battle against Itachi, lost the CM which he had mastered and incoporated into his fighting style for years,and was literally using the MS for the first time.Despite all this,Bee said Sasuke was the only one other the Raikage to dodge his Hachibi enhanced speed,and was one of the strongest he ever fought.
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This panel is from Kisame Vs Bee but it's very true.The Hachibi spoke the truth.
Kurama hindered Naruto's chakra control as a kid and messed up his learning process (the most important time of his life). Yet they don't expect him to get any compensation for it?
Naruto was meant to be born with a handicap and still be equal to Sasuke, who was blessed with sets of rare eyes, is that it?
All that happened after sasuke got cm and trainer under oro Naruto was barely trained for a while and Naruto struggled to make the rasengan because of the Kyuubi hindering him dude and again Naruto didn't fight sasuke to the best of his ability because of the feelings he had for him u sasuke fapboys can't comprehend that. The time when sasuke fought team 7 he was at his peak Naruto hadn't even started learning to control his powers sasuke was ahead training wise . Saspainuke didn't get much stronger than that and until he got itachis eyes Naruto covered a lot of ground in a short time it actually makes sasuke look pathetic how could he let Naruto close the gap in power so fast I mean Naruto with rasenshuriken is as strong as sasuke that fought team 7 sm Naruto stomps ms sasuke and Bsm Naruto stomps ems sasuke too and I say this because ms sasuke stands no chance against pain he could barely beat kakashi and killer bee stomped him . Sm Naruto beat 3rd raikage countered madara and beat pain also ems sasuke marveled at Bsm Naruto so saying they are equals then is blasphemy Naruto even asked sasuke could he keep up
