If Madara was the 2nd SO6P and Nagato was the 3rd, than he couldn't have met Obito

[supino]

madara managed to live long enough i guess..."shortly" could mean many things

sure, if you are Kishi

'i'll do my hmw shortly after i finish playing' ...................... 15 years later

 

[Floydical]

I believe that both halves of The Sage of Six Path's power are needed for Rinnegan: The Body and The Eyes, after upgrading the Sharingan (The Eyes) to it's highest level (EMS) you can then implant Senju DNA (The Body) and obtain the Rinnegan.

I'm 99.9% sure Senju DNA is required. It makes sense because Uchiha lack the chakra stamina of Senju so they get are born with Sharingan which is much more energy preserving than Rinnegan. Even Madara needed Hashirama's DNA to unlock Rinnegan and I think it was said he had a very strong body by Uchiha standards.

As I said earlier, it does seem that Senju DNA is required, despite that being contrary to the Uchiha legacy. @ Shriek, its not actually confirmed that Madara needed Senju DNA. We know for a fact that his edo has Senju DNA, but we don't know if he had any Senju DNA in his body, pre-mordum. But I do feel it is implied he had senju DNA before his death, he just had more added to him as an edo.

madara managed to live long enough i guess..."shortly" couuld mean many things

Again, I'm beginning to think this is the only way to explain it...

 

[360NoScopeKamui]

I'm 99.9% sure Senju DNA is required. It makes sense because Uchiha lack the chakra stamina of Senju so they get are born with Sharingan which is much more energy preserving than Rinnegan. Even Madara needed Hashirama's DNA to unlock Rinnegan and I think it was said he had a very strong body by Uchiha standards.

Yeah, that's the theory that makes the most sense, IMHO. It explains why other skilled Uchiha practitioners (Itachi, Sasuke) haven't unlocked a Rinnegan, but a young, relatively unskilled ninja like Nagato was able to use it because of his Senju heritage.

In that sense, could "Sage of Six Paths" just mean someone who utilized a Rinnegan? The SO6P's son who was the progenitor of the Uchiha Clan had some form of doujutsu, but it seemingly wasn't exactly a Rinnegan. From the information we have, the only people to use a Rinnegan (as the base user, not a corpse that was used as a path of Pain) have been, in this order: SO6P, Madara, Nagato, Obito.

 

[p0002q]

Read OP, and to answer you question.

I believe madara left recordings of himself within Zetsu so that when the "new Madara" was "created", Zetsu could show every piece of information Madara left behind.

I believe Madara gave his own eyes to Nagato and then died. Madara also trusted Zetsu with A LOT.

 

[Zato]

The reason why I don't believe you need Senju DNA and Sharigan's to unlock the Rinnegan is Obito him self. Obito has Hashirama's cell/power coursing through him so why doesn't he have the Rinnegan? Also Tobi, we all remember Tobi's explanation on how COAT works. The SO6P combined both Yin and Yang to use that technique. But of the Rinnegan is the combination of both then why couldn't Nagato use COAT when he has the Rinnegan? There is a reason why Kabuto had a VERY different reaction to Madara's Rinnegan compared to Nagato's. Kabuto even states after Madara drops that meteor "So THIS is the true power of the So6P" and "NOW I can FINALLY tap into a fragment of the sages power". He states this after he goes on about doing something to Madara's body. Which we all know he either re-gave or gave Madara more of Hashirama's DNA and power.

This is why I think Madara wanted Hashirama's powers. When you combine the power of the eyes and the power of the body you get access to COAT not the Rinnegan. This is probably why Izanagi is able to go beyond its limits when being fueled with Hashirama's chakara as Tobi displayed. The Rinnegan is only HALF of the sages power which would explain why Nagato's version of the Rinnegan was so watered down and it would explain why he couldn't use COAT.

Think about this for a second. Everything so far we have seen from the Rinnegan. Do you think it can stop the 10 tails as the SO6P did? At least the 10 tails that has been hyped up to be. We all know that the true power of the Rinnegan is obviously missing a link.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

wow and you took what tobi said there literally ....

 

[KidGamer65]

The reason why I don't believe you need Senju DNA and Sharigan's to unlock the Rinnegan is Obito him self. Obito has Hashirama's cell/power coursing through him so why doesn't he have the Rinnegan? Also Tobi, we all remember Tobi's explanation on how COAT works. The SO6P combined both Yin and Yang to use that technique. But of the Rinnegan is the combination of both then why couldn't Nagato use COAT when he has the Rinnegan? There is a reason why Kabuto had a VERY different reaction to Madara's Rinnegan compared to Nagato's. Kabuto even states after Madara drops that meteor "So THIS is the true power of the So6P" and "NOW I can FINALLY tap into a fragment of the sages power". He states this after he goes on about doing something to Madara's body. Which we all know he either re-gave or gave Madara more of Hashirama's DNA and power.

This is why I think Madara wanted Hashirama's powers. When you combine the power of the eyes and the power of the body you get access to COAT not the Rinnegan. This is probably why Izanagi is able to go beyond its limits when being fueled with Hashirama's chakara as Tobi displayed. The Rinnegan is only HALF of the sages power which would explain why Nagato's version of the Rinnegan was so watered down and it would explain why he couldn't use COAT.

Think about this for a second. Everything so far we have seen from the Rinnegan. Do you think it can stop the 10 tails as the SO6P did? At least the 10 tails that has been hyped up to be. We all know that the true power of the Rinnegan is obviously missing a link.

He doesn't have EMS that's why.

 

[Zato]

He doesn't have EMS that's why.

What sense does that make? We know that the eyes and the combination of the body grants COAT. This is how the So6P used that technique by combining both powers. Both of his sons were passed down one half of that power. So what sense does it make that the Rinnegan needs both? If that was the case then the Rinnegan would already have access to COAT. Which means Nagato would have had access to it. But we know from Kabuto's reaction that Madara's Rinnegan was very special and above Nagato's. This implies that the theory of needing both DNA to be granted the Rinnegan is false but instead you need both powers to be granted COAT. Which is the greatest ability in Naruto. Which was Kabuto's and Oro's goal in the first place to have access to the greatest techs in the ninja world.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

I posted a theory last year that hypothesized (predicted) that the Rinnegan belonged to the Uchiha blood line, only. And that Senju DNA is not needed to awaken the Rinnegan. It was based on a scan that states that the Elder son (the Uchiha Ancestor) inherited the Sage's eyes (The Younger son inherited his father's body). I also predicted that adding Senju (Hashirama) DNA (the body) to a Rinnegan user would augment the Rinnegan.

If Sasuke develops a Rinnegan or the Elder son is shown 'out right' wielding a Rinnegan it would settle this for me.

 

[KidGamer65]

What sense does that make? We know that the eyes and the combination of the body grants COAT. This is how the So6P used that technique by combining both powers. Both of his sons were passed down one half of that power. So what sense does it make that the Rinnegan needs both? If that was the case then the Rinnegan would already have access to COAT. Which means Nagato would have had access to it. But we know from Kabuto's reaction that Madara's Rinnegan was very special and above Nagato's. This implies that the theory of needing both DNA to be granted the Rinnegan is false but instead you need both powers to be granted COAT. Which is the greatest ability in Naruto. Which was Kabuto's and Oro's goal in the first place to have access to the greatest techs in the ninja world.

He combined Yin and Yang for COAT not the eyes and the body; Yang chakra is used to give life while Yin is used to give shape, and it makes sense because Madara had EMS and it went to Rinnegan, according to Kabuto and Orochimaru's research, Sharingan evolves into Rinnegan and you can't just skip over a part in the evolution line.

The Rinnegan needs both because the Sage who was Senju and Uchiha was born with it, then he had his sons one had the body and the other had the eyes, but it wasn't the Rinnegan. The Elder Son most likely didn't have Rinnegan because he lacked the body of the sage, so when Madara got Hashirama's DNA he got Rinnegan.

 

[Zato]

He combined Yin and Yang for COAT not the eyes and the body; Yang chakra is used to give life while Yin is used to give shape, and it makes sense because Madara had EMS and it went to Rinnegan, according to Kabuto and Orochimaru's research, Sharingan evolves into Rinnegan and you can't just skip over a part in the evolution line.

The Rinnegan needs both because the Sage who was Senju and Uchiha was born with it, then he had his sons one had the body and the other had the eyes, but it wasn't the Rinnegan. The Elder Son most likely didn't have Rinnegan because he lacked the body of the sage, so when Madara got Hashirama's DNA he got Rinnegan.

Yin and Yang are the powers the SO6P was granted. The Elder son was granted yin(eyes) and the younger son was granted yang(body). Tobi mentioned this when was going on about the history of the Senju and Uchiha. You saying that the Rinnegan is formed of both Yin and Yang chakara means that it will already have access to COAT because it will be able to use both Yin and Yang through the eyes. We know this if false because of Kabuto's reaction when Madara dropped that meteor which would suggest that Madara's Rinnegan was on a different level beyond Nagato's, but exactly how? Its because he had Hashirama's chakara flowing through him. There is a reason why the So6p powers were split between the two sons. Yin and Yang, which refers back to the black and white Zetsu. Black Zetsu=Yin and White=Yang.

What I am saying is the Rinnegan which is the sages eyes and the body of the sage are two separate powers and when you combine both you get COAT. EMS is most likely a way to access The Rinnegan by combining two sharigan's into one. If you go back and re read what Itachi said. He claimed that not only does the EMS grants you a new power, it grants you a entirely new Dojutsu as well. A lot of people missed that part. If you look at the demon looking figure with the 4 sharigans in that panel you will see it has a Rinnegan in the middle of his forehead between the 4 sharigans. This is exactly why adding Hashirama's chakara to sharigan increases the duration of the sharigan techniques and the sharigans light. This is most likely how Susanoo is shaped as well through some type of yin release.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yin and Yang are the powers the SO6P was granted. The Elder son was granted yin(eyes) and the younger son was granted yang(body). Tobi mentioned this when was going on about the history of the Senju and Uchiha. You saying that the Rinnegan is formed of both Yin and Yang chakara means that it will already have access to COAT because it will be able to use both Yin and Yang through the eyes. We know this if false because of Kabuto's reaction when Madara dropped that meteor which would suggest that Madara's Rinnegan was on a different level beyond Nagato's, but exactly how? Its because he had Hashirama's chakara flowing through him. There is a reason why the So6p powers were split between the two sons. Yin and Yang, which refers back to the black and white Zetsu. Black Zetsu=Yin and White=Yang.

What I am saying is the Rinnegan which is the sages eyes and the body of the sage are two separate powers and when you combine both you get COAT. EMS is most likely a way to access The Rinnegan by combining two sharigan's into one. If you go back and re read what Itachi said. He claimed that not only does the EMS grants you a new power, it grants you a entirely new Dojutsu as well. A lot of people missed that part. If you look at the demon looking figure with the 4 sharigans in that panel you will see it has a Rinnegan in the middle of his forehead between the 4 sharigans. This is exactly why adding Hashirama's chakara to sharigan increases the duration of the sharigan techniques and the sharigans light. This is most likely how Susanoo is shaped as well through some type of yin release.

If Rinnegan doesn't require Senju DNA, why didn't the Elder Son inherit Rinnegan when the 2 powers of the Sage were split between them.

 

[Zato]

If Rinnegan doesn't require Senju DNA, why didn't the Elder Son inherit Rinnegan when the 2 powers of the Sage were split between them.

How do we know he didn't gain the Rinnegan? You are just going off of a portrait imagined from Tobi through his story. The story Tobi told was called a myth because no one truly believed the SO6P really existed and they dubbed him a fairytale. There is a reason why Tobi stated ONE was given the sages EYES and the other the sages BODY. The So6p had two sources of power, one came from the body and the other came from the eyes. What sense would it make that you need the body to gain the eyes? Which it would mean you need the eyes to gain the body??? Even if that was the case how would combining Senju DNA with sharigan = Rinnegan when both of their blood lines are so watered down? It makes zero sense. Madara is obviously the reincarnation of the Elder son and inherited that power and Hashirama the younger son who inherited that power. The same can be said for Sasuke and Naruto. The younger son was suppose to be the rightful heir of the SOo6p but he never got that chance because of the Elder son. So here comes Naruto...

The Rinnegan imo is not only gained through EMS but you need a special set of MS powers(inherited powers if you must). Which is Tsukuyomi,Amateratsu and obviously Susanoo. This is why Tobi wanted Sasuke so bad and why he wanted Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes. This is also why Tobi him self stated that he planned to sync Sasuke to the Gedo Mazo when he was ready. This mean that Sasuke will had to have awakened the Rinnegan to do this. Tobi stated him self he needed Sasuke to strengthen his eyes but it never stated exactly why. I guess we can get the hint now. I will say that Sasuke too like Madara inherited the Elder sons power.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

How do we know he didn't gain the Rinnegan? You are just going off of a portrait imagined from Tobi through his story. The story Tobi told was called a myth because no one truly believed the SO6P really existed and they dubbed him a fairytale. There is a reason why Tobi stated ONE was given the sages EYES and the other the sages BODY. The So6p had two sources of power, one came from the body and the other came from the eyes. What sense would it make that you need the body to gain the eyes? Which it would mean you need the eyes to gain the body??? Even if that was the case how would combining Senju DNA with sharigan = Rinnegan when both of their blood lines are so watered down? It makes zero sense. Madara is obviously the reincarnation of the Elder son and inherited that power and Hashirama the younger son who inherited that power. The same can be said for Sasuke and Naruto. The younger son was suppose to be the rightful heir of the SOo6p but he never got that chance because of the Elder son. So here comes Naruto...

The Rinnegan imo is not only gained through EMS but you need a special set of MS powers(inherited powers if you must). Which is Tsukuyomi,Amateratsu and obviously Susanoo. This is why Tobi wanted Sasuke so bad and why he wanted Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes. This is also why Tobi him self stated that he planned to sync Sasuke to the Gedo Mazo when he was ready. This mean that Sasuke will had to have awakened the Rinnegan to do this. Tobi stated him self he needed Sasuke to strengthen his eyes but it never stated exactly why. I guess we can get the hint now. I will say that Sasuke too like Madara inherited the Elder sons power.

+rep

Your the first person I've seen that sees this exactly the same as I do.

SMH..I've been singing this song since that flashback was first shown.