You're joking right? Half of this would certainly make a valley if it hit the ground.
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Half of this>= Hashirama's statue, and this is BM alone. BSM is dramatically more powerful. The only reason Hashirama has potential to win is wood style's effect on bijus. Power wise, Naruto>=Hashirama.
And, the only reason Naruto has a shot at victory, according to you, is because he has Kurama. It doesn't change anything. And, that was nearly all the bijuu's combined might. Not just Kurama.
And please tell me you're going to suggest that Naruto is now capable of taking on the shinobi who, with a touch, defeated the Kyuubi before. That's all he requires to end this. A touch. And the Shin Sūsenju had taken a barrage of tailed beast bombs and Susano'o swords.
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so your saying at no time his powers didn't turn wood style back to trees did you forget when he was training to control the tailed beast or when he killed every white zetsu???
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If bsm naruto and hashirama fought right now I would still probably give it to hashirama due to his experience and overall knowledge. But I do believe his fans can overrate him at times.
] And, this was performed by Madara. A shinobi vastly inferior to Hashirama when it comes to Mokuton.
And, the only reason Naruto has a shot at victory, according to you, is because he has Kurama. It doesn't change anything. And, that was nearly all the bijuu's combined might. Not just Kurama.
And please tell me you're going to suggest that Naruto is now capable of taking on the shinobi who, with a touch, defeated the Kyuubi before. That's all he requires to end this. A touch. And the Shin Sūsenju had taken a barrage of tailed beast bombs and Susano'o swords.
Yep, you're clearly raging and not thinking clearly. I said half of this would make a valley. Which means I'm aware that it included power from other biju. However, Naruto countered it with equal force meaning that if Naruto's TBB exploded alone it'd be half the size of the explosion seen here.
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Look how large that explosion is to the ground! You can't even see the bijus! A TBB half as powerful as this would indeed have as much power as Hashirama's statue. This is what I said in the first place, not that the entire explosion was from Naruto. Don't put words into my mouth.
What makes you think the large, lumbering cloak will be able to evade as easily as Naruto himself? And, only a touch is needed for his chakra to be drained out. Naruto's surely not dodging every last hit from Hashirama. Also, you use a full kurama for that. Naruto only has half of Kurama's chakra as of now and Hashirama was not even in sage mode during that.
Yep, you're clearly raging and not thinking clearly. I said half of this would make a valley. Which means I'm aware that it included power from other biju. However, Naruto countered it with equal force meaning that if Naruto's TBB exploded alone it'd be half the size of the explosion seen here.
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Look how large that explosion is to the ground! You can't even see the bijus! A TBB half as powerful as this would indeed have as much power as Hashirama's statue. This is what I said in the first place, not that the entire explosion was from Naruto. Don't put words into my mouth.
I must of not seen that, or forgotten it when I replied to you. But; You believe Naruto will get the chance to build up the chakra to fire off one of such size? Hashirama has dealt with the Kyuubi's FULL power in the past. You realize? Shin Sūsenju has withstanded a barrage of tailed beast bombs from Kurama. And, once more. Hashirama only needs a touch to surpress Kurama's FULL power with Shin Sūsenju. What are the honest to God odds that contact will not be made? At all?
What makes you think the large, lumbering cloak will be able to evade as easily as Naruto himself? And, only a touch is needed for his chakra to be drained out. Naruto's surely not dodging every last hit from Hashirama. Also, you use a full kurama for that. Naruto only has half of Kurama's chakra as of now and Hashirama was not even in sage mode during that.
Have we been reading the same manga? Not only a touch is needed. It took a while when Naruto was wrestling with the wood dragon for the chakra draining to begin.
What makes you think the large, lumbering cloak will be able to evade as easily as Naruto himself? And, only a touch is needed for his chakra to be drained out. Naruto's surely not dodging every last hit from Hashirama. Also, you use a full kurama for that. Naruto only has half of Kurama's chakra as of now and Hashirama was not even in sage mode during that.
I know, but think for a minute. If BM is really being enhanced by SM as much as base mode is, then Naruto's half of Kurama will be way more powerful than 100%Kurama. Also, SM enhanced reflexes enables him to respond much faster. The drain doesn't happen instantly. It took an entire chapter for Madara to drain Naruto.
What makes you think the large, lumbering cloak will be able to evade as easily as Naruto himself? And, only a touch is needed for his chakra to be drained out. Naruto's surely not dodging every last hit from Hashirama. Also, you use a full kurama for that. Naruto only has half of Kurama's chakra as of now and Hashirama was not even in sage mode during that.
I must of not seen that, or forgotten it when I replied to you. But; You believe Naruto will get the chance to build up the chakra to fire off one of such size? Hashirama has dealt with the Kyuubi's FULL power in the past. You realize? Shin Sūsenju has withstanded a barrage of tailed beast bombs from Kurama. And, once more. Hashirama only needs a touch to surpress Kurama's FULL power with Shin Sūsenju. What are the honest to God odds that contact will not be made? At all?
I'm referring to actual power, not Naruto's weakness to wood style. SM Hashirama's wood style may very well be too much, but certainly not base. One last thing, I've seen the most recent episode. It takes about 5 seconds(excluding B and 8 tail's conversation). I have no idea why Madara didn't have Kurama make a large TBB. It's clearly stronger. Maybe he was inexperienced with bijus. Either that or *drum role* PNJ!
And, the only reason Naruto has a shot at victory, according to you, is because he has Kurama. It doesn't change anything. And, that was nearly all the bijuu's combined might. Not just Kurama.
And please tell me you're going to suggest that Naruto is now capable of taking on the shinobi who, with a touch, defeated the Kyuubi before. That's all he requires to end this. A touch. And the Shin Sūsenju had taken a barrage of tailed beast bombs and Susano'o swords.
^^ The bolded part... , sorry but is laughable... I am not sure if we are reading same manga...
This is what really happened:
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^^ Big one thousand arms statue caught first Kurama, who HAS NOT FREE WILL NOR SHOW ANY RESISTENCE CAUSE KURAMA WAS UNDER MADARA's control... who was most likely low on chakra, besides Madara wasn't capable to unleash even half of Kurama power. Size of tailed beast bomb shoot by Kurama at Hashirama was so small in compare to what Naruto can generate even with half of Kurama... Even Barrage of Bijuudama shot by Kurama under Madara's control at Thousand arms statue was at medium size at the most. Really giant Tailed beast bomb at original size of Kurama or even bigger (Kurama proved to create Bijuudama bigger then itself inside of Naruto, so this is possible) could turn all Thousand arms statue to dust...
That why, Hashirama said these words:
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Just look at scan above... Hashirama knew that Madara isn't using full power of Kurama as he supoosed that Kurama full power could be even too much for HIMSELF !
Again, Hashirama catches Kurama and use some technique, while attacking Madara, making him unable to control Kurama or even make it harder...
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^^ Here, Thousand arms statue put one of it's big hand on Kurama's head to release Kurama from Madara's control then make it go sleep before/surprassing Kurama powers before Kurama COULD EVEN REACT.
Don't understand me wrong... I don;t deny manga facts that Hashirama defeated Madara long with Kyuubi... but:
1) It wasn't easy victory for Hashirama... proved by Hashirama words to Kurama in Kurama's flashback.
2) Madara wasn't capable to use Kurama full power... maybe even half
3) Kurama was under Madara's control, who has not enough chakra or couldn't catch breath to fully control Kurama BUT STILL MAKE IT UNABLE TO GO FREE
4) Kurama was surprassed by TOUCH of Statue but AFTER BEING CAUGHT, and surprassed before Kurama could fully awake and relase it's full power.
5) Kurama's tailed beast bomb prove that Hashirama didn't defeat Madara along with Kurama at full power... but rather less then half of power.
Of course it not Hashirama fault that Madara couldn't bring Kurama's full power out, but still it prove that Hashirama didn't defeat Kurama at full power....
Even Minato words, here prove that fact:
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Minato mentions something that Madara couldn't control Nine tails for too long... and he probably knew it from Hiruzen who got this knowledge from Hashirama himself...
and this is what actually happened in short:
1) Madara lost a lot of chakra forcing Kurama to shoot Bijuudama at Thousand arms statue wielded by Hashirama
2) Madara has enough chakra to have Kurama under control but not enough to give orders and use it efficiently.
3) Hashirama used opportunity to caught Kyuubi... already surprassing Madara's control over it, while attacking EMS Madara himself to make him unable to restore his control over Kurama or strengthen it
5) Madara had to retreat, while Hashirama released Kurama from under control then surprassed it's power before Kurama would fully awake and went at rampage.
Can Naruto beat Obito by himself since all of BSM's attacks are all anti-juubi? Don't reject the concept the instant you hear it. Think about it first.
