[Discussion] If God is all-knowing, then what's the point?

[Vilvake]

i am not going to lie, i only read the thread title lol

the point is : i am god, and humans amuse me, but only a little and they each get boring after about 75 years lol

Lol I see what you did there. This God guy doesn't sound very nice, does he?

 

[SoulKiller]

Mkay I guess I'll just have to get cosy in hell. Thanks for the heads up, I wouldn't have thought that an all-mighty deity would get offended at someone trying to be a good person, guess I was wrong.

You just won't get it and its usless so be it your way.

 

[6thpathsage]

Can these questions really be answered? Or in the end, is it your job to make a leap of faith and believe in something?

Generally if you simplify events like how you listed them in your OP its gets trivialized and results in situations like this where there really not an answer.

What you neeed to do is think about things and consider what is another POSSIBLE alternative to why God created man aside from needing COMPANY..

Its different for everybody but I think we were all created to be able to experience LOVE. That is why people arent as satisfied with money, material things, winning etc as they are with LOVE... love for naruto, love for their parteners, love for their family.

Once youve experienced love for people and you have been loved, your life becomes validated and it seems more worthwhile. At one point the devil experienced the love of GOD but fell from grace by exercising his FREE WILL but i think that love is still available to him.

God creates FREE WILL because TRUE LOVE cannot exist without FREE WILL. He knows the past present and future but does not interfere with that because that removes FREE WILL and prevents us from experiencing LOVE.

I would suggest you look deeper than the logical because as eveolutionist say.. your emotional brain was developed far later than your logical brain meaning its easier to go by logic at free will than it is to go by your emotion..

IT IS ALL UP TO YOU

 

[Vilvake]

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You know the truth, you know how you get saved, you know God will forgive you if you truly want so? And if you refuse the extistent of God and chance to get saved, then you have just made your choice. Isnt that what I just stated on my message above?

Simple: You know you have to turn right to get to McDonalds but you chooce to turn left and get lost... oh how did this happen?... even when you did know the route.

It's not so simple. In reality, there would be many Mcdonalds. Each of them would have a sign up explaining why they're the real Mcdonalds, leaving you to attempt to pick the right one. You know only only one of them is full of the most delicious fast-food ever made. Every other is fake and full of people who wish you harm. How do you pick? You can't look inside of them, to see their true nature. All you can do is settle on one, believing what they tell you... a leap of faith.

But wait! Suddenly you notice an alternate path- one that avoids all the mcdonalds completely. You begin doubting the legitimacy of the claims each is making. After all, the best fast food ever made may simply be too good to be true. All the mcdonalds may be untruthful. What do you pick? Every choice has its advantages and disadvantages. It's up to you to sort through all the crap, lies and vague half-truths to make an educated guess.

 

[Hebi Sasuke]

Generally if you simplify events like how you listed them in your OP its gets trivialized and results in situations like this where there really not an answer.

What you neeed to do is think about things and consider what is another POSSIBLE alternative to why God created man aside from needing COMPANY..

Its different for everybody but I think we were all created to be able to experience LOVE. That is why people arent as satisfied with money, material things, winning etc as they are with LOVE... love for naruto, love for their parteners, love for their family.

Once youve experienced love for people and you have been loved, your life becomes validated and it seems more worthwhile. At one point the devil experienced the love of GOD but fell from grace by exercising his FREE WILL but i think that love is still available to him.

God creates FREE WILL because TRUE LOVE cannot exist without FREE WILL. He knows the past present and future but does not interfere with that because that removes FREE WILL and prevents us from experiencing LOVE.

I would suggest you look deeper than the logical because as eveolutionist say.. your emotional brain was developed far later than your logical brain meaning its easier to go by logic at free will than it is to go by your emotion..

IT IS ALL UP TO YOU

God created humans? Then I guess Darwin's theory of Evolution is just some hocus pocus

 

[YowYan]

No, bro, i am not insulted by ur thread...its that lots of those who reply, reply negatively towards religion and god...i am just saying that it isnt right to make fun of these matters, since lots of people believe in them.

It's actually a must to continuously question and debunk moral standards and interpretations of religious scripts. Or else, you'll get cultural/religious dogma which is what we have today in most organized religions and households. Ignorance.

 

[Vilvake]

Generally if you simplify events like how you listed them in your OP its gets trivialized and results in situations like this where there really not an answer.

What you neeed to do is think about things and consider what is another POSSIBLE alternative to why God created man aside from needing COMPANY..

Its different for everybody but I think we were all created to be able to experience LOVE. That is why people arent as satisfied with money, material things, winning etc as they are with LOVE... love for naruto, love for their parteners, love for their family.

Once youve experienced love for people and you have been loved, your life becomes validated and it seems more worthwhile. At one point the devil experienced the love of GOD but fell from grace by exercising his FREE WILL but i think that love is still available to him.

God creates FREE WILL because TRUE LOVE cannot exist without FREE WILL. He knows the past present and future but does not interfere with that because that removes FREE WILL and prevents us from experiencing LOVE.

I would suggest you look deeper than the logical because as eveolutionist say.. your emotional brain was developed far later than your logical brain meaning its easier to go by logic at free will than it is to go by your emotion..

IT IS ALL UP TO YOU

I actually agree with the "Company" part. I said in my post that I wrote these questions a couple years ago, when I was 14 and less mature. However, saying the reason I am questioning Christianity is because my "emotional" brain isn't developed is not only unfair, it's a lot more trivial than the "Company" question that you called out.

 

[Vilvake]

God created humans? Then I guess Darwin's theory of Evolution is just some hocus pocus

Golly, I learn new things every day! Thanks mister!

 

[Draphsin]

God is as much of an influence over our lives as the concept of luck, which is none :|

I have yet to see 1 reason as to why I should worship someone who created such a plagued planet U_U

So if you want my opinion then yes I agree, he doesnt exist or if he did then he would be no better than us humans, morally speaking of course.


Imho, science explains everything that religion cant Im obviously going to agree with the side that has the most credible facts.

 

[6thpathsage]

God created humans? Then I guess Darwin's theory of Evolution is just some hocus pocus

So you don't think it is possible for God to effect the realization of the process of evolution. If you look at it.. this world is self governing. Its like a computer programmer you can key in algorithims that govern a whole complex system without you creating every detail. The bible in my opinion is symbolic for a large part in the description of the creation of humans.

The 6 days of creation could represent millions of years because its said in the bible..1000 days is like a day to GOD. Look at the order of the creation story, it is very similar to the order of evolution theory:

Sun and stars -> atmosphere of the earth and water -> Fish of the sea -> birds of the air -> land -> animals -> humans

Put a space of million years in place of the days and you will get the simplified version of evolution theory.

 

[Sasukenumberonelover]

You're not gonna get your answers here BR00 ..

BTW you shouldn't question your lord, he did things for reasons .. and you'll find them answers at death U_U

 

[Vilvake]

You're not gonna get your answers here BR00 ..

BTW you shouldn't question your lord, he did things for reasons .. and you'll find them answers at death U_U

Are you the same guy who said "Wrong section BR000" or something similar on my other thread?

 

[6thpathsage]

I actually agree with the "Company" part. I said in my post that I wrote these questions a couple years ago, when I was 14 and less mature. However, saying the reason I am questioning Christianity is because my "emotional" brain isn't developed is not only unfair, it's a lot more trivial than the "Company" question that you called out.

Quite the opposite, all your brains are fully developed but emotions are not as easily accessible as your logical brain just like your reptilian brain is not as accessible as your emotional brain.

I am saying try to not focus too much on the logical although that is essential but add the emotion to it and you will see a new universe filled with love and purpose.

 

[Vilvake]

So you don't think it is possible for God to effect the realization of the process of evolution. If you look at it.. this world is self governing. Its like a computer programmer you can key in algorithims that govern a whole complex system without you creating every detail. The bible in my opinion is symbolic for a large part in the description of the creation of humans.

The 6 days of creation could represent millions of years because its said in the bible..1000 days is like a day to GOD. Look at the order of the creation story, it is very similar to the order of evolution theory:

Sun and stars -> atmosphere of the earth and water -> Fish of the sea -> birds of the air -> land -> animals -> humans

Put a space of million years in place of the days and you will get the simplified version of evolution theory.

It's nice to see someone give a logical answer to something, without dismissing 1000s of years of science

 

[Vilvake]

Quite the opposite, all your brains are fully developed but emotions are not as easily accessible as your logical brain just like your reptilian brain is not as accessible as your emotional brain.

I am saying try to not focus too much on the logical although that is essential but add the emotion to it and you will see a new universe filled with love and purpose.

You can have love and purpose without believing in God. That doesn't make you close minded and hateful.

 

[Hebi Sasuke]

So you don't think it is possible for God to effect the realization of the process of evolution. If you look at it.. this world is self governing. Its like a computer programmer you can key in algorithims that govern a whole complex system without you creating every detail. The bible in my opinion is symbolic for a large part in the description of the creation of humans.

The 6 days of creation could represent millions of years because its said in the bible..1000 days is like a day to GOD. Look at the order of the creation story, it is very similar to the order of evolution theory:

Sun and stars -> atmosphere of the earth and water -> Fish of the sea -> birds of the air -> land -> animals -> humans

Put a space of million years in place of the days and you will get the simplified version of evolution theory.

I have so much to say about that,but I won't because I might offend you...So I will respect your opinion,but I highly disagree .

 

[6thpathsage]

You can have love and purpose without believing in God. That doesn't make you close minded and hateful.

I never once said this and its true you can have love and purpose without but all im saying is i believe the LOVE i can experience with or without GOD was designed by him and why I am christian is that i am grateful for the free will to be able to feel those feelings and rebel against them and still have his LOVE.

 

[Henchman24]

I've had this idea that "God" is more like a programmed existence. Knows everything that was, is and will be. With that it is on a programmed path of material transformation.

Honestly the Universe as a whole seems to fit that desription. To me "God" is the Universe. There is no "why" to anything it does. The Universe is indifferent.

Everything is on a predestined path because it is already on it's way. I believe free will and choicees are kind of an illusion because in the end could you have changed anything anyway? I say no because you are here and you've done what you done. There is no going back.

It is all very arguable though. Besides we are only human. What do we know?

 

[6thpathsage]

I have so much to say about that,but I won't because I might offend you...So I will respect your opinion,but I highly disagree .

This is a forum..you can express yourself here but if not feel free to VM or PM me and ill try to get back to you on your issues.

I've had this idea that "God" is more like a programmed existence. Knows everything that was, is and will be. With that it is on a programmed path of material transformation.

Honestly the Universe as a whole seems to fit that desription. To me "God" is the Universe. There is no "why" to anything it does. The Universe is indifferent.

Everything is on a predestined path because it is already on it's way. I believe free will and choicees are kind of an illusion because in the end could you have changed anything anyway? I say no because you are here and you've done what you done. There is no going back.

It is all very arguable though. Besides we are only human. What do we know?

This is why God always in the bible says "I AM". HE is everything but the only disagreement i will make with your post is that he cares and he LOVES. If this free will was an illusion then love cannot exist and no one can argue against the existence of TRUE LOVE.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

The concept of Freewill undoubtly causes the following to be true; The Omnipotent that has not enough power to do, The Omnipresent that is never there, The Omniscient that knows not.

Doesn't sound like much of a God to me.