[Discussion] if ftg=ftg ....i.e instant=instant then y...????(theory and discussion)

[PYROVT]

( the following thread is both a theory and discussion , since it is more of a discussion i went with that prefix, kindly ignore if any mistake has been made )

so as i have been looking at posts like these

ftg can't be better since instant=instant

this made complete sense to me untill

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here we see tobirama say that using the hiraishin with clones is too slow

how can it be slow if we follow the above logic

and if that is some shitty translation by mangapanda then .....

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here tobirama says that using clones for ftg will not cut it

y do u think he said that , coz if instant=instant then despite it being clone or original it shud result in the same outcome rite

but as we see here

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tobirama's clone seemed quite fast so y not use clones and save the original as back up if the plan fails and obito ends up attacking sasuke and naruto?????

further .........

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here naruto refers to minato's clone , minato conforms that it didnot seem like the attack was aimed at his clone

then in the latest chapter

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notice how minato has both his hands when he appears in front of naruto and sasuke but doesnot have his right hand in the very next page

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so could it be that it was minato's clone????? , but then it contradicts with what minato said as he was with the idea to use the main body , which tobirama suggested

so is this where mianto's ftg is different/better coz even when clones r used the speed doesnot drop ?????

then this means that there is a whole other view to the combo that minato and tobirama pulled off

coz clone minato jumps infront of combo attack, tobirama and obito arrive there while original minato goes to tobirama's location .................................

( I KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY LONG POST BUT KINDLY BARE WITH ME COZ ALL THE POINTS I MENTIONED R ESSENTIAL IN THE CONCEPT I SHARED)

so what r u thought about the big thread i just made

thank you

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Of course not. You can't win against an instant with instant. Tobirama only places seals with his hands, and Minato uses kunais or what ever comes infront of him. They're both as fast, but Minato just has used creativity.

 

[naruttebayo]

who cares tobirama is stronger anyway

 

[UchihaNagashi]

who cares tobirama is stronger anyway

Don't start a flame war.

Spoiler

Just joking start one

 

[SeBa]

who cares tobirama is stronger anyway

)))))))))))))))))))))

 

[svladcjelli42]

I would explain clones doing "slower" FTG like this: it's not the speed of the bullet, it's how fast you pull the trigger.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Ignore Naruttebayo, he is a bandwagoner.

 

[The Sach]

Of course not. You can't win against an instant with instant. Tobirama only places seals with his hands, and Minato uses kunais or what ever comes infront of him. They're both as fast, but Minato just has used creativity.

^This^, but Tobirama's reflexes>Minato's reflexes..

 

[naruttebayo]

Ignore Naruttebayo, he is a bandwagoner.

no i'm not

i'm fan of him from even before i started watching naruto

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[Avinash012]

I would explain clones doing "slower" FTG like this: it's not the speed of the bullet, it's how fast you pull the trigger.

yes ur right and this logic wil be applicable to the original user's also...!

 

[Avinash012]

^This^, but Tobirama's reflexes>Minato's reflexes..

Telme what make's u think his reflexes are better than Minato....?

 

[doubledude]

Minato has more ways to use ftg than Tobirama probably. That's why the 2nd praised him to be better at it.

 

[PYROVT]

wow i can see people simply side kicking the main reason of the thread but anyways

as some one above me has said the speed with which we cast the justu must be the difference rite

but from what little we have seen it sure looks like ftg is activated the moment the user wants to ( since it also doesnot need handsigns it's their thinking rite dont tell me that we have to compare how fast people think now)

 

[TopRamen]

here we see tobirama say that using the hiraishin with clones is too slow

how can it be slow if we follow the above logic

I am pretty sure that Tobirama is not using a clone, rather his actual edo body. When he makes that comment about "with this body it doesn't matter", I am pretty certain he is referring to his edo body... which will regenerate.

 

[PYROVT]

I am pretty sure that Tobirama is not using a clone, rather his actual edo body. When he makes that comment about "with this body it doesn't matter", I am pretty certain he is referring to his edo body... which will regenerate.

he used clone to save naruto sasuke and minato and jump to obito's location this is stated by him

u kinda misunderstood please read again

 

[Draphsin]

The mangapanda translation "clones wont cut it" could be referring to how their clones wont be able to take the impact of naruto & sasuke's attack. The clones would poof if they got hit so tobirama suggested that they swap their actual bodies with FTG instead.

& as for minato with both arms, I'm almost certain that it was a mistake on the illustrator's part. It completely contradicts everything that tobirama said.

he used clone to save naruto sasuke and minato and jump to obito's location this is stated by him

u kinda misunderstood please read again

No he suicide bombed with his clone. His real body came to meet them.

 

[syed47]

minato had hands, that confirms that he was a clone....
and i support ur idea, minato's somewhat/somehow more faster/efficient than tobirama, and the manga pages posted above also depict that.....(kinda)....
Good points captured bro!

 

[PYROVT]

The mangapanda translation "clones wont cut it" could be referring to how their clones wont be able to take the impact of naruto & sasuke's attack. The clones would poof if they got hit so tobirama suggested that they swap their actual bodies with FTG instead.

& as for minato with both arms, I'm almost certain that it was a mistake on the illustrator's part. It completely contradicts everything that tobirama said.



No he suicide bombed with his clone. His real body came to meet them.

bro thats exactly what i said u kinda repeated

tobirama's clone goes to minato sasuke and naruto 's location takes the bomb and then jumps to obito's location and gives him his bomb and says here i have a gift fro / this belongs to u something like that them the bomb explodes destroying the clone and the real tobirama participated in the combo with minato

is that clear??????????????????????????????????? damm y can't people get me i use gud grammer

and about the part where clones go poof , the time of contact is lesser than a second we have seen clones take hit and then fall down and go poof , mind this was with regular naruto cones

i dont think i have to talk abut the resilient nature of kcm naruto's clones

last wednesday when i first saw the two handed minato jump infront of naruto and sasuke i made a thread on how this could be a manga mistake and people called it bull shit

i dont remeber the name but there was one baser who could not even see what i was talking about and called me a fanboy/stupid god noes y

 

[Avinash012]

The mangapanda translation "clones wont cut it" could be referring to how their clones wont be able to take the impact of naruto & sasuke's attack. The clones would poof if they got hit so tobirama suggested that they swap their actual bodies with FTG instead.

& as for minato with both arms, I'm almost certain that it was a mistake on the illustrator's part. It completely contradicts everything that tobirama said.



No he suicide bombed with his clone. His real body came to meet them.

Let me tel u my thought's on that sittuation and tel me ur thought's

When Tobirama attacked Obito usng FTG with his clone ,Obito managed to defend himself from that instantanious attack of Tobirama's clone...
See this..

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After this Tobirama and Minato figured that usng clone's to attack(which is slower than original bodies FTG) is useless since Obito already countered that Speed with his difence....So they decided to attack with thire original bodies(more speed) since it won't be a probulem even if Obito managed to counter and attack them.....!

 

[Gun Robin]

Didn't read :snick: