[Discussion] If everyone was vegan

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Cows would die by the millions.
Chickens would die by the billions
Basically all meat animals would almost go to almost extinct level.

Why? Because there will be no reason to raise them anymore. They barely fit the natural ecosystem anymore.

States would lose a lot of money. People will lose their jobs. Families will break apart and some might die. When husbands don’t have a job or money, wife will cheat. Rise of Cucks all around. The real kind. Illegitimate children.
>Meat animals
Stupidity at it's finest

Do you seriously farm livestock would cease to exist without a meat industry? Do you think cows, chickens, pigs, etc. ONLY exist on farms?

Those animals are currently dying in the billions.

And **** jobs, people lost their jobs when selling slaves was abolished.
 

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The greenhouse gas emissions will go down slightly and animals such as cows or pigs won’t be killed but that’s the only positive I see in it.

If the rest of the human population was vegan , more lands will be needed to meet up with demands which means any animals living on top or under the soil will end up getting killed if they are in the way of any farm equipment. Plus we will be changing those animals environment pushing them to find another place to live (though we are already doing that now so no change there) . Also more chemicals will be likely used to maintain the crop and getting rid of weeds which means a bigger issue with runoff of chemicals entering our waters unless we are able to stop that. So more of us killing the fish and other marine animals.

With the human population’s switching to plant only diet not everyone will be able to meet the requirements for B12 and it’s important for people to have that in their diet. Our body needs B12 in order to make red blood cells and other bodily functions. Low amounts of it leads to symptoms like lack of energy or shortness of breath. In extreme cases people may experience nerve damage ,memory loss, or behavioral changes. A few people are dealing with B12 deficiency today due to choosing to eat only plants or was caused by other illnesses. Expect that to increase if everyone were made to eat only plants.

Those who are poor and only able to live off the land (certain plants and animals like deer) won’t be able to maintain a healthy diet if they switch to plant only.Including those who lives in dryer climates or are homeless.
Now there are certain foods that provides those needed vitamins but there’s not enough to sustain the whole population if the switch was suddenly made tomorrow or without preparation .

Is it morally justifiable to kill those animals to maintain a healthy diet. That’s debatable. If we could find a way to allow everyone to switch their diet without effecting their health negatively,great. But if in the process people are suffering,it’s wrong to deny them the type of foods they need in order to survive.
 

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Animals have gone on without humans screwing with them on such a large scale since forever, why do you think it'd be different this time around?
A time where humans didn't screw with animals? So you mean...before humans ever existed? As soon as you placed humans into that equation that becomes totally irrelevant...

The populations, both animal and human, have grown too much. You can't just drop that cold turkey (pun intended). I'm sure if we did the whole vegan thing tens of thousands of years ago it might have worked outside of the fact that there were be mass malnutrition. You can't just go from one extreme to the other.
 

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>Meat animals
Stupidity at it's finest

Do you seriously farm livestock would cease to exist without a meat industry? Do you think cows, chickens, pigs, etc. ONLY exist on farms?

Those animals are currently dying in the billions.

And **** jobs, people lost their jobs when selling slaves was abolished.
My bad bro. These animals are dying but they are also replaced. I meant they will die in huge numbers without being replaced. Because they can’t be left alone because they might cause damage. So they must be put down.

That’s just my thought though.

Also, what other service do farm/meat animals serve? Maybe I’m just ignorant .
 

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My bad bro. These animals are dying but they are also replaced. I meant they will die in huge numbers without being replaced. Because they can’t be left alone because they might cause damage. So they must be put down.

That’s just my thought though.

Also, what other service do farm/meat animals serve? Maybe I’m just ignorant .

Yup, you are ignorant.
 

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The greenhouse gas emissions will go down slightly and animals such as cows or pigs won’t be killed
True. By approximately 20+%


If the rest of the human population was vegan , more lands will be needed to meet up with demands which means any animals living on top or under the soil will end up getting killed if they are in the way of any farm equipment. Plus we will be changing those animals environment pushing them to find another place to live (though we are already doing that now so no change there) . Also more chemicals will be likely used to maintain the crop and getting rid of weeds which means a bigger issue with runoff of chemicals entering our waters unless we are able to stop that. So more of us killing the fish and other marine animals.
False. Soil depletion is a multifaceted issue that can mostly be attributed to agricultural practices. Also, as it currently stands the majority of crops (67% with a margin of error of 10) are producted to sustain an animal agricultural industry, which which involves several 60 or so billion animals year round, and trillions of animals over the years.

The amount of space we would need to grow food would only decrease. I don't have to explain why feeding several trillion animals is harder to feed a constant 7 billion humans.

With the human population’s switching to plant only diet not everyone will be able to meet the requirements for B12 and it’s important for people to have that in their diet. Our body needs B12 in order to make red blood cells and other bodily functions. Low amounts of it leads to symptoms like lack of energy or shortness of breath. In extreme cases people may experience nerve damage ,memory loss, or behavioral changes. A few people are dealing with B12 deficiency today due to choosing to eat only plants or was caused by other illnesses. Expect that to increase if everyone were made to eat only plants.
False. B12 is found in manufactured foods, such as enriched grains such as pasta, cereal, oats, etc., fruit juices, water, ans plant based milks. Fun Fact: B12 is a product of bacteria found in wild soil, meaning the vast majority of factory farm animals would be B12 deficient if it wasn't for farmers supplementing B12 into the animals.

Those who are poor and only able to live off the land (certain plants and animals like deer) won’t be able to maintain a healthy diet if they switch to plant only.Including those who lives in dryer climates or are homeless.
Now there are certain foods that provides those needed vitamins but there’s not enough to sustain the whole population if the switch was suddenly made tomorrow or without preparation
Maybe in a 3rd world country, where Malnutrition is already commonplace. If you live in a 1st world country, there is no excuse.

Name the vitamins that's found in an omnivorous diet that can't be found in a vegan diet?

Is it morally justifiable to kill those animals to maintain a healthy diet. That’s debatable. If we could find a way to allow everyone to switch their diet without effecting their health negatively,great. But if in the process people are suffering,it’s wrong to deny them the type of foods they need in order to survive.
False. The national institute of health and biotechnology has proven that a vegan diet is suitable for all stages of human life. Vegans have an overall less rate of all cause morality, heart diesease, diabetes, atherosclerosis, cancer, etc. Meat is classified as a class 1 carcinogen for Christ sake. To claim health would be a concern on a vegan diet requires severe ignorance of the data.

There is no moral justification for eating meat.
 

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Why questioning the purposes of other species as if humans deserved to decide what the world should be?

Or perhaps are you referring to cooking them?
Because we have those animals a purpose to be eaten. Now, we have an impossible amount of animals with no purpose. We will have to kill them because they do not fit the natural habitat of the world anymore.
 

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Because we have those animals a purpose to be eaten. Now, we have an impossible amount of animals with no purpose. We will have to kill them because they do not fit the natural habitat of the world anymore.
We won't know until they get their chances. Animals know how to adapt.
 

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How would this change our ecosystem? Would the change be positive or negative?
we could wipe out chickens, cows and pigs and drasticly reduce the Co2 emissions on a yearly basis, that would help alot.

we would need to import a lot more rice and beans if we gave up meat so the level of taste would be more bland and less delicious... so the spice industry would gain a massive boon do to the demand of spices would rice with the meats going away.
 

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We won't know until they get their chances. Animals know how to adapt.
how the **** will 10 billion chickens adapt to a world where they are no longer being consumed by humans and left to die because they are no longer being fed because there are no economical reason to do so from the farmers?

(ye that is right there are more chickens that humans alive right now...)
 

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True. By approximately 20+%



False. Soil depletion is a multifaceted issue that can mostly be attributed to agricultural practices. Also, as it currently stands the majority of crops (67% with a margin of error of 10) are producted to sustain an animal agricultural industry, which which involves several 60 or so billion animals year round, and trillions of animals over the years.

The amount of space we would need to grow food would only decrease. I don't have to explain why feeding several trillion animals is harder to feed a constant 7 billion humans.



False. B12 is found in manufactured foods, such as enriched grains such as pasta, cereal, oats, etc., fruit juices, water, ans plant based milks. Fun Fact: B12 is a product of bacteria found in wild soil, meaning the vast majority of factory farm animals would be B12 deficient if it wasn't for farmers supplementing B12 into the animals.


Maybe in a 3rd world country, where Malnutrition is already commonplace. If you live in a 1st world country, there is no excuse.

Name the vitamins that's found in an omnivorous diet that can't be found in a vegan diet?


False. The national institute of health and biotechnology has proven that a vegan diet is suitable for all stages of human life. Vegans have an overall less rate of all cause morality, heart diesease, diabetes, atherosclerosis, cancer, etc. Meat is classified as a class 1 carcinogen for Christ sake. To claim health would be a concern on a vegan diet requires severe ignorance of the data.

There is no moral justification for eating meat.
Hmm I didn’t say anything about “Soil depletion” and B12 deficiency due to vegan diet or other health issues is not false. I’ve read about cases involving vegans, who didn’t know about the importance of B12 ,will often skip out of such supplements or other foods. They will develop the symptoms, the longer they avoid that vitamin since the body stores B12 in the liver for around two to 5 years or if they are not getting enough.Everyone is different,so some may need less B12 while others will need more. Which not all of those foods or drinks you spoke of, usually have b12 in it or it’s in small amounts. Some fortified cereal do. The oatmeal,pasta and fruit juice I have doesn’t contain B12. Being deficient in other B vitamins pose different risk factors for the body. So I am still going to assume that the number of B12 deficiencies will increase,even if it is insignificant.

Also you stated “farmers supplementing B12 into the animals” when I had mentioned deer . Deer meat is a good source of B12 and found in the wild. So I am fully aware of any “fun facts” but thanks for trying to make this fun...I guess.

I’ll try to keep this short as my opinions hasn’t changed while discussing the possibility of, if everyone was vegan and what the outcome may be. Human population growth ,climate change,and other issues may come into play that could effect current farm lands in the future. Thus causing us to look for unclaimed land to farm ,forcing/killing other animals during the process to keep up with demands. Which we are still doing today even for only farming crops that vegans will eat,based on seeing my local farms expanding by cutting down trees (changing the environment) and tilling/planting.

Of course too much of anything and how it is handled can cause health issues. Just like going over the daily recommended amount of certain vitamins could effect your body negatively,yet vitamins are healthy for you. Point is, people need the type of foods including meat in order for them to survive and maintain a healthy diet (The key is moderation). Especially for those who lives in colder and dryer environments,those who are poor/homeless or can’t eat certain foods.
*Even if later they may end up getting cancer along with other health issues from consuming foods that may or may not contain preservatives/harmful chemicals and bacteria*.

For the majority of people they have moral justification for eating meat. Obviously you are refusing to acknowledge their response cause it doesn’t correspond with your morals that you had applied to yourself. Though with the rise of synthetic meat ,if humans can accept it ,they will no longer need to kill an animal to eat meat.Perhaps future humans will be living off synthetic meat and plant diet with the exception of those who may not be able to afford to buy it. Will you be satisfied with such results? Or will vegans and other people claim that eating synthetic meat is wrong as well? I wonder.

Though I wonder if you are not contributing to the suffering and killings of animals in anyway while judging those who eat meat. For me giving druggies money is wrong,if you feel the same way,do you support meat eaters by giving them money? Do you support stores that carry meat or do you grow your own foods? If you do get your food from certain farms are you making sure that their pest control methods doesn’t involve shooting/poisoning wild animals who are trying to eat the crops? Or does your morals only apply to farm animals?
Though some things can’t be helped as our action today will effect the future in different ways but if you want to try to live life with clean hands,you need to at least attempt to live by your morals. Otherwise you are the hypocrite that you claimed others to be. Especially if you are aware of it yet don’t change your ways.
 
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