[Discussion] If a god created the universe

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So then what did god make it out of?

Well, he spoke it into existence, which means he has supreme magical powers. Which really seems very farfetched. Even for me, but it is hard for me to believe that nothing just became something without a catalyst.
 

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That riddle is such a cop out. To try and create a task that can't be completed is a dumb request anyway.

It's request nonetheless. Something that shows that there is no such thing as "absolute power". There are limits to everything.
 

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Even if physics doesn't apply, logic does.

Well that's what I thought made "God" divine in the first place, being able to do anything even if it wasn't logical. :sweat:
 

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Matter can't be created nor destroyed. So from that logic matter was already around. But where did it come from? Science doesn't know because it is impossible to trace where something from nothing came from. The Big Bang theory is just a guess. Personally that is why I do believe in God. There is no way this complex system of things came from nothing.

This is the "God of the Gaps" fallacy, where something not yet known to our science can be circumvented with "God" or spirituality.

We should have stopped at the very first question we as humans thought up and answered it with "God", instead of answering it ourselves.
 

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It's request nonetheless. Something that shows that there is no such thing as "absolute power". There are limits to everything.

Idk about your example, but I have heard of the 'asking God to sin' scenario. The common answer (call it a cop out, idc) is that God cannot do anything outside of his nature, thus, cannot sin. He's omnipotent within his means of righteousness. I'm not sure if that's a good answer or not (someone more qualified could give a better answer). But meh...
 

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What if he didnt create us? What if he just FOUND us? Then took the credit for everything because he was here first.
 

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1. You seem to ask religious questions quite frequently. Why not go to someone who's more qualified than the people on this website?
2. God doesn't abide by our physics.
3. By that same logic, evolution is broken too.

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with nothing coming out of nothing.
 
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This is the "God of the Gaps" fallacy, where something not yet known to our science can be circumvented with "God" or spirituality.

We should have stopped at the very first question we as humans thought up and answered it with "God", instead of answering it ourselves.

Yep, and then all of the dumb rednecks would be happy. Because God right?

Please don't give me that crap. If it can be discovered we should try to. But I don't think any kind of scientific evidence can prove/disprove God's existence.
 

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God is everything and nothing all the time never. Meaning this existence is just a projection of Him, He who is also a singularity. We just treat each other like crap and hurt one another, and the earth and the things in it. So within that projection he made one of Himself to free us from a debt that only death could be paid, his name was Yeshua(Jesus). He did it so we could go back to him after choosing to do so, because He loves us. Just like Naruto, if you give Him his recognition, he gives you a will of "Fire" in your heart. That extends to everyone!
 

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So then what did god make it out of?

Why do you suppose that "Nothing" existed to begin with?

I think the 'name' of God in the abrahamic religions speaks volumes: "I am."

It's the ultimate question of sentience. You are not sentient until you have pondered the legitimacy of your own existence. The more we delve into physics, the more 'freaky' things become - and the more our experiments begin to allude to concepts explored by early mystics.

Einstein's quote regarding Quantum Mechanics says it all (and more accurately describes his issue with QM): "I should think that the moon is there even when I am not looking at it!" Quantum Mechanics forces a collision between consciousness and physical reality. It's an issue that has been a skeleton in the closet for a long time - largely seen as irrelevant because "it only works on small things."

But we've recently been seeing that it, in fact, doesn't work on just small things. Visible objects have been placed into quantum super-positions (coherent states), and we've shown through other experiments that coherence ends via the sharing of information (which means that any instrument used to measure the outcome is entangled within the coherent system until the measurement is shared in a way that conscious observation is aware of it... which -forces- some very, very uncomfortable questions).

At the end of the day... you're forced to ask yourself: "Does this world exist? Do I even exist?" There are two possible conclusions you can come to. You can reject the experience before you, or you can accept it as real; make the claim: "I am."

Whatever led to the use of the "I am" to refer to God in early texts, it reveals that the being(s) responsible had wrestled with this philosophical problem and decided it was the best - perhaps the only - way to identify itself.
 

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Well that's what I thought made "God" divine in the first place, being able to do anything even if it wasn't logical. :sweat:

Well if something doesn't cooperate with logic, it doesn't exist.
 

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Who created "God"?
 

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Why is this thread still alive?

No form of any god exists it's all just made up in the minds of human's. Becuase of this there is no real answer in regards to this thread just assumption after assumption.
 

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Yep, and then all of the dumb rednecks would be happy. Because God right?

Please don't give me that crap. If it can be discovered we should try to. But I don't think any kind of scientific evidence can prove/disprove God's existence.

Did...did you just throw a fallacy back at me? Did you disregard the fact that you made a fallacy and are continuing? And let's not forget that this post counterargued nothing about what I said...

No, Science cannot disprove the idea of deity or deities. But neither can vice-versa. Because they occupy different realms. Science belongs to the mundane, while spirituality belongs to the fantastic.

This doesn't mean we can't use Philosophy to take down the ideal down a peg or two.
 

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Well if something doesn't cooperate with logic, it doesn't exist.

If something seems illogical it just means it is not within our understanding. If in a scenario, humans had never discovered dinosaur fossils and some guy claimed that in the past their were lizards the size of skycrapers, you would deem it most likely as illogical. Why? Because it is not with in the scope of your knowledge. I usually don't like to create scenarios, but I hope you will get my point.
 
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