[Discussion] Ichigo and his zanpakuto

Forza

Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2011
Messages
82
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Hello everybody, I've been thinking about the last episodes, and what is really happening with Ichigo, and I think I found out what's happening:

1. We found out Ichigo's bankai can't be stolen, and we get a "reason" why. It was stated by Yamamoto, (who is now dead :( ), he even said his own bankai couldnt be stolen either. The reasons were: Ichigo --> Big room for improvement and development of the bankai, so a non-mature bankai can't be stolen (which I say this is gonna be false), Yamamoto --> too much power, that no one can handle it.

2. We found out, that everyone's (including Yamamoto's) zanpakuto, have an Asauchi, which is like the soul of the sword. So everyone's, except Ichigo's, sword have that soul.

3. We see that Ichigo doesn't pass the test with the Asauchi (logical after what we are told later), and the weird guy with the glasses (whose name I've forgotten) wont fix Ichigo's zanpakuto. Is the real reason that he didn't pass the test?

Well, my theory is: Ichigo's zanpakuto, the one that doesn't have the same soul as everyone's else, is not a normal sword (obvious, I know), but it is his power itself. Ichigo's inner power, which we have seen that is being shattered often after some big, deep words, was altered after he was told his mother was a quincy, thus having his power decreased, and his sword "lost his strength".

The reason for not being fixed, is that, his zanpakuto actually being his power, he needs to stabilize his power, with some other deep, big words from his father, which will give Ichigo some peace, and making his zanpkauto recover it's original shape again. Again, this very same reason, is the real reason why his bankai can't be stolen. I think that the quincies, the thing they stole is the Asauchi, the soul, and put it into their "medallion", so they can have a full evolved Asauchi. Since Ichigo doesn't have that Asauchi, his bankai can't be stolen (and, since Yamamoto's Asauchi was too powerful, too evolved,so only another with the same power and experience that Yamamoto has could handle it, and it is no one but their boss).

What do you think? What are your thoughts? Am I crazy?

PS: Sorry If I've made any grammatical error, but I'm not english native, and I'm still learning.
 
Joined
Jan 13, 2013
Messages
448
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
*Spoiler Alert*... just so I didn't spoil anything for anyone. I think it's because Ichigo is part quincy as from the latest chapter we are told that his mother was a quincy. The reason why he wasn't able to reforge Zangetsu is because as the guy that put them to the test of the asucha. He didn't need his zanpokutou like Renji did. My theory is that Ichigo will have to go through training to at least learn some of the quincies training in order to become an even more powerful soul reaper, only than will he be able to reforge Zangetsu.
 

Photon

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Feb 24, 2011
Messages
3,306
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Hello everybody, I've been thinking about the last episodes, and what is really happening with Ichigo, and I think I found out what's happening:

1. We found out Ichigo's bankai can't be stolen, and we get a "reason" why. It was stated by Yamamoto, (who is now dead :( ), he even said his own bankai couldnt be stolen either. The reasons were: Ichigo --> Big room for improvement and development of the bankai, so a non-mature bankai can't be stolen (which I say this is gonna be false), Yamamoto --> too much power, that no one can handle it.

2. We found out, that everyone's (including Yamamoto's) zanpakuto, have an Asauchi, which is like the soul of the sword. So everyone's, except Ichigo's, sword have that soul.

3. We see that Ichigo doesn't pass the test with the Asauchi (logical after what we are told later), and the weird guy with the glasses (whose name I've forgotten) wont fix Ichigo's zanpakuto. Is the real reason that he didn't pass the test?

Well, my theory is: Ichigo's zanpakuto, the one that doesn't have the same soul as everyone's else, is not a normal sword (obvious, I know), but it is his power itself. Ichigo's inner power, which we have seen that is being shattered often after some big, deep words, was altered after he was told his mother was a quincy, thus having his power decreased, and his sword "lost his strength".

The reason for not being fixed, is that, his zanpakuto actually being his power, he needs to stabilize his power, with some other deep, big words from his father, which will give Ichigo some peace, and making his zanpkauto recover it's original shape again
. Again, this very same reason, is the real reason why his bankai can't be stolen. I think that the quincies, the thing they stole is the Asauchi, the soul, and put it into their "medallion", so they can have a full evolved Asauchi. Since Ichigo doesn't have that Asauchi, his bankai can't be stolen (and, since Yamamoto's Asauchi was too powerful, too evolved,so only another with the same power and experience that Yamamoto has could handle it, and it is no one but their boss).

What do you think? What are your thoughts? Am I crazy?

PS: Sorry If I've made any grammatical error, but I'm not english native, and I'm still learning.
Way too gay for bleach, they never use "talk no justu" in bleach, he normally trains hard and surpasses something. Ichigo does not rely on feelings and words.
 

ssiddiq78

Active member
Regular
Joined
Jan 30, 2013
Messages
773
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
At the moment i dont understand at all whats happinging manga.
Ichigo bankai cant be reforge cause it doesnt came from asauchi
Now a vasto lordes looks same as hollow form 2
 

Forza

Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2011
Messages
82
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Way too gay for bleach, they never use "talk no justu" in bleach, he normally trains hard and surpasses something. Ichigo does not rely on feelings and words.
I don't mean it the "fairy tail" way, where everything's nice if you say power of friendship. I mean, in the fight with Aizen, when Aizen told Ichigo about his past, and that everything was played by his hands, Ichigo went mad, and couldn't control his power properly. In the fight with Buckbeard, he is told about his mother, and, again, he can't properly control his power, so he loses the strength of it. And the big words, of course, doesn't make everything nice, the talk with Ichigo's father will clarify Ichigo what exactly is his past, making him stop being so confused. With training (after stop being confused), Ichigo will get his sword again. (maybe some bankai abilities, like Yamamoto).
 

Two

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Aug 30, 2011
Messages
3,418
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
A question:How ichigo's sword hasnt got an Asuachi if it was originally Rukia's?
It wasn't Rukia's, he used her powers to give him/Awaken his soul reaper powers, he didn't just take hers, he just created/opened his own. It was his unreleased sword
 

Grim

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Feb 17, 2010
Messages
4,493
Kin
1💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
one thing I don't understand I would rep anyone who explains it to me, in fight between Ichigo and Aizen .. before ''FINAL FORM'' of Icghigo with what training/power he denyed everything Aizen threaw at him.. what sort of power was it? Aizen defeated everyone on his away before that without even switching to the form in which he faced Ichigo... ep 308 I never seen this episode to fully understand that hes level back then was one I don't think Kenpachi at his best after training could match
 

pandu

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,780
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
The only reason I liked Bleach was the absence of TNJ.I don't want that shit to plague bleach and ruin it forever.
OT it all seems very plausible.
 

pandu

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,780
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
one thing I don't understand I would rep anyone who explains it to me, in fight between Ichigo and Aizen .. before ''FINAL FORM'' of Icghigo with what training/power he denyed everything Aizen threaw at him.. what sort of power was it? Aizen defeated everyone on his away before that without even switching to the form in which he faced Ichigo... ep 308 I never seen this episode to fully understand that hes level back then was one I don't think Kenpachi at his best after training could match
Simple , Aizen was a beast.OT the reason Ichigo was so powerful was that he used every ounce of his reiatsu in evolving his zanpakuto(That includes his hollow powers as well).Normally Ichigo is said to have huge reiatsu levels comparable to captains.Considering the level of his reiatsu when in Bankai it makes sense to me.(No flaming , just an opinion)
 

Grim

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Feb 17, 2010
Messages
4,493
Kin
1💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Simple , Aizen was a beast.OT the reason Ichigo was so powerful was that he used every ounce of his reiatsu in evolving his zanpakuto(That includes his hollow powers as well).Normally Ichigo is said to have huge reiatsu levels comparable to captains.Considering the level of his reiatsu when in Bankai it makes sense to me.(No flaming , just an opinion)
it doesn't explain this level of power and being able to match Aizen on his highest take direct hit's undamaged.... by the looks of it he could take direct hit from Yamamoto's North and still walk away :D
 

Ragnaroc

Active member
Supreme
Joined
Apr 25, 2008
Messages
30,138
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
one thing I don't understand I would rep anyone who explains it to me, in fight between Ichigo and Aizen .. before ''FINAL FORM'' of Icghigo with what training/power he denyed everything Aizen threaw at him.. what sort of power was it? Aizen defeated everyone on his away before that without even switching to the form in which he faced Ichigo... ep 308 I never seen this episode to fully understand that hes level back then was one I don't think Kenpachi at his best after training could match
basically when Ichigo lost his abilities after using Mugetsu, he also lost all of that training and power plus he doesn't have his vizarid powers either anymore since shirosaki and zangetsu fused together.

and keep in him, zaraki not only limits himself with that eye patch but was also unconsciously surpressing his powers so now he should not only be stronger but is now able to hear his zanpakutou
 

pandu

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,780
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
it doesn't explain this level of power and being able to match Aizen on his highest take direct hit's undamaged.... by the looks of it he could take direct hit from Yamamoto's North and still walk away :D
Yup.He might do.It was never really explained how he gained so much power.I think its like using the eight gates in naruto.
Huge power boost for a short amount of time.Then losing power altogether.
 

adventnova

Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
214
Kin
4💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yup.He might do.It was never really explained how he gained so much power.I think its like using the eight gates in naruto.
Huge power boost for a short amount of time.Then losing power altogether.
I think thats a pretty close explanation :D

Makes sense because now that we know Ichigo is part Quincy, he merged with 2 other souls... Zangetsu's and his Hollow's. So he gained 3.5x times the power output there on top of 1 years training in the void, which was an hour in real time do to the immense pressure of the zone. Its like in dragon ball z, They all went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for 24 hours at a time to train for 1 year in its pressure zone to become strong enough to fight Cell.
 

pandu

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,780
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I think thats a pretty close explanation :D

Makes sense because now that we know Ichigo is part Quincy, he merged with 2 other souls... Zangetsu's and his Hollow's. So he gained 3.5x times the power output there on top of 1 years training in the void, which was an hour in real time do to the immense pressure of the zone. Its like in dragon ball z, They all went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for 24 hours at a time to train for 1 year in its pressure zone to become strong enough to fight Cell.
I'm genius :cool:
 

TheHokage

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Jul 10, 2011
Messages
3,014
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Ichigo doesn't have a clue who he is, he's unsure about himself and I don't think he knows what he is and it's effecting his soul and also effecting Zangetsu and seeing as a Zanpaktou is the manifestion of the soul he can't connect to his Zanpaktou since he doesn't know what his soul is.
 

adventnova

Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
214
Kin
4💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Ichigo doesn't have a clue who he is, he's unsure about himself and I don't think he knows what he is and it's effecting his soul and also effecting Zangetsu and seeing as a Zanpaktou is the manifestion of the soul he can't connect to his Zanpaktou since he doesn't know what his soul is.
Which is why he was told to go home and find out who he is. Your are exactly right on the Zanpakuto being a reflection of ones own soul. He cant repair Zangetsu or get it repaired if he doesnt know who he is.
 

Grim

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Feb 17, 2010
Messages
4,493
Kin
1💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
I'm genius :cool:
and here are the two other questions then.. because I start to think there's a plot hole

Q . 1 why... why did Ichigo use Final blablabla if he was without it capable of fighting Aizen

Q . 2 how was Ichigo and why part of what Aizens plan? so much effort and all he wanted is just to kill him... what's the point?
 
Top