[Discussion] Ichibei vs hogyoku aizen

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Location: where ichibei and Juha fought
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Scenario one: all out battle aizen starts in first hogoyku form and ichibei starts in base and they fight on from there.

Scenario two: chrysalis aizen vs base Ichibei. Butterfly aizen vs shikai Ichibei. Monster Aizen vs Banka ichibei.

Who wins?
 

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Do you think bankai yamamoto beats aizen too?
Yes, I do believe he wins. Transcedents arguments are vague, since they were proven wrong multiple times, so I don't believe Transcedents are unbeatable as Aizen claimed that he is. But in case that transcedent reiatsu > any other type of reiatsu, than that would make Aizen > Ichibe, Aizen > Yamamoto

How I see things right now.

Yhwach > Yamamoto > (very slightly) Ichibe > Dangai Ichigo > Hogyoku Aizen
 

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Yes, I do believe he wins. Transcedents arguments are vague, since they were proven wrong multiple times, so I don't believe Transcedents are unbeatable as Aizen claimed that he is. But in case that transcedent reiatsu > any other type of reiatsu, than that would make Aizen > Ichibe, Aizen > Yamamoto

How I see things right now.

Yhwach > Yamamoto > (very slightly) Ichibe > Dangai Ichigo > Hogyoku Aizen
Hmmm I think my future top 10 strongest for bleach is going to be like
1. Emperor of Wandenreich "A" "The Almighty" Yhwach
2. Substitute Shinigami Ichigo Kurosaki {Royal Training}
(True Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu)
3. Crown Prince Sternritter "A" "The Almighty" Uryu Ishida
4. Royal Guard Commander "High Priest" Ichibē Hyōsube
(Bankai: Shirafude Ichimonji)
5. Captain-Commander Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto
(Bankai: Zanka no Tachi)
6. "Transcendent" Sōsuke Aizen
(Shikai: Kyōka Suigetsu & Hogyoku Fusion)
7. Grandmaster Sternritter "B" Jugram Haschwalth
8. Elite Sternritter "X" "The X-Axis" Lille Barro
(Quincy: Vollständig)
9. Elite Sternritter "M" "The Miracle" Gerard Valkyrie
(Quincy: Vollständig)
10. Elite Sternritter "C" "The Compulsory" Pernida Parnkgjas
(Quincy: Vollständig)
 
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Hmmm I think my future top 10 strongest for bleach is going to be like
1. Emperor of Wandenreich "A" "The Almighty" Yhwach
2. Substitute Shinigami Ichigo Kurosaki {Royal Training}
(True Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu)
3. Crown Prince Sternritter "A" "The Almighty" Uryu Ishida
4. Royal Guard Commander "High Priest" Ichibē Hyōsube
(Bankai: Shirafude Ichimonji)
5. Captain-Commander Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto
(Bankai: Zanka no Tachi)
6. "Transcendent" Sōsuke Aizen
(Shikai: Kyōka Suigetsu & Hogyoku Fusion)
7. Grandmaster Sternritter "B" Jugram Haschwalth
8. Elite Sternritter "X" "The X-Axis" Lille Barro
(Quincy: Vollständig)
9. Elite Sternritter "M" "The Miracle" Gerard Valkyrie
(Quincy: Vollständig)
10. Elite Sternritter "C" "The Compulsory" Pernida Parnkgjas
(Quincy: Vollständig)
Gremmy could take out 8,9 and 10 and maybe even Shikai Kenpachi could pull it off and Sternritter Ishida is featless.
 

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Gremmy could take out 8,9 and 10 and maybe even Shikai Kenpachi could pull it off and Sternritter Ishida is featless.
The list is just assumption of future powers.
I think vollstandig x-axis could just blow away Gremmy's meteors and etc.
If gremmy is above the elite then of course Zaraki should be above as well.
 

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Hmmm I think my future top 10 strongest for bleach is going to be like
1. Emperor of Wandenreich "A" "The Almighty" Yhwach
2. Substitute Shinigami Ichigo Kurosaki {Royal Training}
(True Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu)
3. Crown Prince Sternritter "A" "The Almighty" Uryu Ishida
4. Royal Guard Commander "High Priest" Ichibē Hyōsube
(Bankai: Shirafude Ichimonji)
5. Captain-Commander Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto
(Bankai: Zanka no Tachi)
6. "Transcendent" Sōsuke Aizen
(Shikai: Kyōka Suigetsu & Hogyoku Fusion)
7. Grandmaster Sternritter "B" Jugram Haschwalth
8. Elite Sternritter "X" "The X-Axis" Lille Barro
(Quincy: Vollständig)
9. Elite Sternritter "M" "The Miracle" Gerard Valkyrie
(Quincy: Vollständig)
10. Elite Sternritter "C" "The Compulsory" Pernida Parnkgjas
(Quincy: Vollständig)
Hm, how can you make a difference between Elites, from what we know they all are equal. And just a correction, Ichibe is not "high priest" he is the "monk" it was just mistranslation by MP.

EoS list:
1. Yhwach
2. Ichigo Kurosaki
3. Uryuu Ishida
4. Shigekuni Yamamoto
5. Ichibei Hyosube / Jugram Hashwalth
6. Hogyoku Aizen
7. Zaraki Kenpachi
8 - 10. Urahara, Isshin, Elites, Byakuya, other RGs are candidates for this two places.

Notes:
- SK is excluded, if he has any power at all, than I would rank him at lowest estimation above Yamamoto.
- This is my highest estimation of Uryuu Ishida. It was implied that he can surpass Yhwach's power. But it's still unclear what Kubo thought with that. Did he think of just Aushwalen, like Uryuu being imune to it, that would put down Uryuu's enormous hype (and in that case I would rank him way lower than where I just ranked him), or overall his power (in that case I would rank him 3rd).
- I can actually see Hashwalth's being higher and lower than 5th. Yhwach is parallel to SK, than Hashwalth should be parallel to Ichibe. If Yhwach can defeat SK at full power, than Hashawlth can probably be stronger than Ichibe as well.
Yhwach said that Uryuu can surpass him (now I'm going with theory that he can surpass him overall) and that he is for that reason successor. Uryuu is prince, but Askin still goes that far to call Hashwalth "next emperor" which could mean that Hashwalth holds same potential as Uryuu, so my highest estimation of Hashwalth is around my highest estimation of Uryuu and that would be third. Lowest estimation of Hashwalth is around EoS Kenpachi's level.
- I'm also excluding Isshin's FGT. Since we don't know does he learned it completely or did he just trained for it.
 

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Hm, how can you make a difference between Elites, from what we know they all are equal. And just a correction, Ichibe is not "high priest" he is the "monk" it was just mistranslation by MP.

EoS list:
1. Yhwach
2. Ichigo Kurosaki
3. Uryuu Ishida
4. Shigekuni Yamamoto
5. Ichibei Hyosube / Jugram Hashwalth
6. Hogyoku Aizen
7. Zaraki Kenpachi
8 - 10. Urahara, Isshin, Elites, Byakuya, other RGs are candidates for this two places.

Notes:
- SK is excluded, if he has any power at all, than I would rank him at lowest estimation above Yamamoto.
- This is my highest estimation of Uryuu Ishida. It was implied that he can surpass Yhwach's power. But it's still unclear what Kubo thought with that. Did he think of just Aushwalen, like Uryuu being imune to it, that would put down Uryuu's enormous hype (and in that case I would rank him way lower than where I just ranked him), or overall his power (in that case I would rank him 3rd).
- I can actually see Hashwalth's being higher and lower than 5th. Yhwach is parallel to SK, than Hashwalth should be parallel to Ichibe. If Yhwach can defeat SK at full power, than Hashawlth can probably be stronger than Ichibe as well.
Yhwach said that Uryuu can surpass him (now I'm going with theory that he can surpass him overall) and that he is for that reason successor. Uryuu is prince, but Askin still goes that far to call Hashwalth "next emperor" which could mean that Hashwalth holds same potential as Uryuu, so my highest estimation of Hashwalth is around my highest estimation of Uryuu and that would be third. Lowest estimation of Hashwalth is around EoS Kenpachi's level.
- I'm also excluding Isshin's FGT. Since we don't know does he learned it completely or did he just trained for it.
Yeah I thought ichibei would win too but I wanted to see other peoples opinion. If ichiebe covers the hogyoku in darkness than It would probably lose its power and Aizen would stop evolving. And Imo ichibei>Yamamoto
 
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