I Wish Naruto was Born Unlucky

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Hard work is done through choice and perseverance. It isn't controlled by destiny or some higher power.



There are lots of people who can but do not work at all.



The moral of the story is you are a hypocritical, butthurt fanboy with absolutely so concept of the story or a narrative as a whole.

No please cut this shit now.

The moral of the story is Masashi Kishimoto shows us THAT EVERYONE OF US HAS HIDDEN TALENT. However it takes guts, strong will and getting along with a alot of people while struggling through pain and hardwork to finally make our talent unleashed/bloomed as we can be proud of it.

The only change Kishi has done is "Naruto was underdog who became great" but "Naruto had great hidden talent but was treated as shit and began as underdog then only due to hard working/ going thorugh the pain allowed him to make his talents/efforts bloom ". Exactly like Ashura.

The destiny crap is still incorrect as Naruto destined to fail due to all events waiting for him in his life even although he has hidden potential. All of the events in Naruto's life tried to change him etc., but he overcame the destiny by making his own choices.

The moral of Naruto was that one of the Hagoromo's sons need to live among normal/weak people and raise as underdog to expierience all the pain/hardwork which will allow him to understand feelings/emotions of other people. That why Kishi allowed Naruto to be now OP, so he can change the word remembering of weaker people and their life. He also can solve their problems.

CONCLUSION: You are mad because Neji died. Please cut the crap

The theme of Naruto is gone. Before the message was of perseverance and endeavour fighting against destiny and prejudice. Naruto - the drop-out, the loser,the failure, the "fox boy", the untouchable one - worked his balls off to get anywhere in life. The message was that no matter what people think of you, if you work hard enough you can overcome anything and anyone and achieve greatness and gain respect. Destiny is for cowards. Characters like Choji, Rock Lee, Sasuke and Neji all show this fight against destiny.

Choji becoming a butterfly, Rock Lee mastering Taijutsu, Sasuke dedicating his life to avenging his clan and Neji wanting more out of life than to be a puppet of the Hyuuga clan system.
But now, it's all about Destiny!

Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura so his life is basically Ashura's life being lived again. Ashura is reborn as Naruto. So all Naruto's hard work and therefore his success is predetermined. And before you argue there's no connection, there clearly is!

Both are drop outs who gained strength by working hard and forming bonds with people around them. Furthermore this shows how the fight between Uchia and Senju has trickled down to Naruto and Sasuke from Ashura and Indra.
We also know that the Sage wanted the Bijuu to one day be reunited as the Juubi and that one person would step forward to lead the world in a new age. cough -Obviously Naruto's destiny - cough

Choki and Rock lee are useless now because they're not main characters, Sasuke is the reincarnation of Indra so his hard work and success is predetermined too, and Neji....sigh Neji was right from jump street. You can't fight destiny. Neji's destiny as a member of the Branch house of the Hyuuga clan was to die protecting the Main House members - specifically Hinata.

He knew this, he even said so. What happened to him? He died protecting Hinata.

Destiny.

The only way Kishimoto can hope to bring this back at all is for Naruto to bring Sasuke back to the good side and end the Cycle of Hate as well as contradict what how Ashura had to kill Indra. But even then, stopping the Cycle of Hate would still fulfil the prophecy set by the Sage (he's waiting for someone to reunite the Bijuu and lead the world in a new age).
The theme of Naruto was that of endeavour overcoming destiny
The theme of Naruto Shippuuden is of fulfilling your destiny. Endeavour cant fight against it - only accelerate it. Completely contradicting the original message of the anime.



Nothing about Naruto character is consistent anymore. There's the whole Naruto becoming godlike so fast. naruto power increased faster than anyone ever managed in the dbz world. now they will have to give sasuke a huge boost just to even keep up with the 17 year old with sage mode, full demon control(which doesn't make sense they pulled an avatar the last air bender trick, not to mention he only hold half the kyuubi yet can do so much), can move quicker than the 4th hokage,has the ability to spam miny nukes that he can create in his hand within a second and has a 1hitKO jutsu.

then the shadow clone thing, what happened to when ever you use it you run the risk of dying. if that's the case naruto has played with death more than Homer Simpson. this anime ued to be good what happened. jut wait till he get the full kyuubi

Thank you for making my point.

Yet you still read it week after week. Thank you once again for making my point.

My point is that I still have strong passion with Naruto series, I just don't like naruto as a character, I still like tons of other sider characters like Neji Gai, tobirama etc there's reason why I still watch naruto, and even I'm disappointed I wouldn't drop out when I've invested the time for the majority of the time, it's pointless to drop a series when it's almost finished.

 

[KCMNaruto]

And /thread

OP has already proved he doesn't comprehend the message and is simply pissy Neji is dead.

Thanks , Besides OP is wrong. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE UNDERDOG term in NARUTOVERSE anymore. Even Rock lee can be arguable stated to be talented because he can open 8 INNER GATES.

THE UNDERDOG term was only Term kishi used to show us how everyone of us can be/begin as then through hardwork/suffering the pain, not giving up and pushing further while we get to know more pople and life advances we begin to discover our talents which bloom and show us effect of our hardwork.

Lee,Gai, Might Dai - they were also talented but the talent was hidden to them because it was rare and they didn't have clue about it so they needed time to develop these talents and make them bloom. The reason what we, people are so different is shown by fact that everyone is talenet but at the same time has different talent.

OP's understatment of the manga- > UNDERDOG(NO TALENT)-> OP
Kishi's message through the manga-> UNDERDOG(TALENTED but cannot use it/ unleash)->OP

The theme of Naruto is gone. Before the message was of perseverance and endeavour fighting against destiny and prejudice. Naruto - the drop-out, the loser,the failure, the "fox boy", the untouchable one - worked his balls off to get anywhere in life. The message was that no matter what people think of you, if you work hard enough you can overcome anything and anyone and achieve greatness and gain respect. Destiny is for cowards. Characters like Choji, Rock Lee, Sasuke and Neji all show this fight against destiny.

Choji becoming a butterfly, Rock Lee mastering Taijutsu, Sasuke dedicating his life to avenging his clan and Neji wanting more out of life than to be a puppet of the Hyuuga clan system.
But now, it's all about Destiny!

Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura so his life is basically Ashura's life being lived again. Ashura is reborn as Naruto. So all Naruto's hard work and therefore his success is predetermined. And before you argue there's no connection, there clearly is!

Both are drop outs who gained strength by working hard and forming bonds with people around them. Furthermore this shows how the fight between Uchia and Senju has trickled down to Naruto and Sasuke from Ashura and Indra.
We also know that the Sage wanted the Bijuu to one day be reunited as the Juubi and that one person would step forward to lead the world in a new age. cough -Obviously Naruto's destiny - cough

Choki and Rock lee are useless now because they're not main characters, Sasuke is the reincarnation of Indra so his hard work and success is predetermined too, and Neji....sigh Neji was right from jump street. You can't fight destiny. Neji's destiny as a member of the Branch house of the Hyuuga clan was to die protecting the Main House members - specifically Hinata.

He knew this, he even said so. What happened to him? He died protecting Hinata.

Destiny.

The only way Kishimoto can hope to bring this back at all is for Naruto to bring Sasuke back to the good side and end the Cycle of Hate as well as contradict what how Ashura had to kill Indra. But even then, stopping the Cycle of Hate would still fulfil the prophecy set by the Sage (he's waiting for someone to reunite the Bijuu and lead the world in a new age).
The theme of Naruto was that of endeavour overcoming destiny
The theme of Naruto Shippuuden is of fulfilling your destiny. Endeavour cant fight against it - only accelerate it. Completely contradicting the original message of the anime.

Nothing about Naruto character is consistent anymore. There's the whole Naruto becoming godlike so fast. naruto power increased faster than anyone ever managed in the dbz world. now they will have to give sasuke a huge boost just to even keep up with the 17 year old with sage mode, full demon control(which doesn't make sense they pulled an avatar the last air bender trick, not to mention he only hold half the kyuubi yet can do so much), can move quicker than the 4th hokage,has the ability to spam miny nukes that he can create in his hand within a second and has a 1hitKO jutsu.

then the shadow clone thing, what happened to when ever you use it you run the risk of dying. if that's the case naruto has played with death more than Homer Simpson. this anime ued to be good what happened. jut wait till he get the full kyuubi

@ bold part, it is sad OP , that you don't believe in great efforts bring great results.

IMO, The pain/hardwork/suffering and overcoming obstacles on his way Naruto has done suffered/expierienced a lot more then Chouji, Lee or even Neji so that the reason why Kishi made his efforts paying into even greater power up/performance. It is only logical chain of events. The greater hardwork you do the greater effect you get, it is simple as that.

Of course may make it looking as everything was set before Naruto was born or destiny playing great role in it. However IMO this is not the case, by sheer fact alone that Sage never suspected/foresaw Indra and Ashura's descdendants working together.

Please understand that Kishi changed message of the manga to Three main points:

1) Everyone is talented(there is no talentless people, of course one talent can be greater then other)
2) Even being born in hard conditions throught he hardwork and not giving up you can reach hapiness and make your talent bloom.
3) The greater pain you go through, the hardwork you did the greater result you get.

 

[nagato2]

Guys what the OP wants is for naruto to have been born with cancerous weak bones so that he would be stuck in a wheel chair no chakra not a smudge of intelligence and absolutely no help no will and no way to gain power and then somehow rise from it through hard work that hard work that he has no willpower to do

 

[SkyGodHorus]

The theme of Naruto is gone. Before the message was of perseverance and endeavour fighting against destiny and prejudice. Naruto - the drop-out, the loser,the failure, the "fox boy", the untouchable one - worked his balls off to get anywhere in life. The message was that no matter what people think of you, if you work hard enough you can overcome anything and anyone and achieve greatness and gain respect. Destiny is for cowards. Characters like Choji, Rock Lee, Sasuke and Neji all show this fight against destiny. Choji becoming a butterfly, Rock Lee mastering Taijutsu, Sasuke dedicating his life to avenging his clan and Neji wanting more out of life than to be a puppet of the Hyuuga clan system.
But now, it's all about Destiny! Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura so his life is basically Ashura's life being lived again. Ashura is reborn as Naruto. So all Naruto's hard work and therefore his success is predetermined. And before you argue there's no connection, there clearly is! Both are drop outs who gained strength by working hard and forming bonds with people around them. Furthermore this shows how the fight between Uchia and Senju has trickled down to Naruto and Sasuke from Ashura and Indra.
We also know that the Sage wanted the Bijuu to one day be reunited as the Juubi and that one person would step forward to lead the world in a new age. cough -Obviously Naruto's destiny - cough
Choki and Rock lee are useless now because they're not main characters, Sasuke is the reincarnation of Indra so his hard work and success is predetermined too, and Neji....sigh Neji was right from jump street. You can't fight destiny. Neji's destiny as a member of the Branch house of the Hyuuga clan was to die protecting the Main House members - specifically Hinata. He knew this, he even said so. What happened to him? He died protecting Hinata. Destiny.
The only way Kishimoto can hope to bring this back at all is for Naruto to bring Sasuke back to the good side and end the Cycle of Hate as well as contradict what how Ashura had to kill Indra. But even then, stopping the Cycle of Hate would still fulfil the prophecy set by the Sage (he's waiting for someone to reunite the Bijuu and lead the world in a new age).
The theme of Naruto was that of endeavour overcoming destiny
The theme of Naruto Shippuuden is of fulfilling your destiny. Endeavour cant fight against it - only accelerate it. Completely contradicting the original message of the anime.



Nothing about Naruto character is consistent anymore. There's the whole Naruto becoming godlike so fast. naruto power increased faster than anyone ever managed in the dbz world. now they will have to give sasuke a huge boost just to even keep up with the 17 year old with sage mode, full demon control(which doesn't make sense they pulled an avatar the last air bender trick, not to mention he only hold half the kyuubi yet can do so much), can move quicker than the 4th hokage,has the ability to spam miny nukes that he can create in his hand within a second and has a 1hitKO jutsu.

then the shadow clone thing, what happened to when ever you use it you run the risk of dying. if that's the case naruto has played with death more than Homer Simpson. this anime ued to be good what happened. jut wait till he get the full kyuubi






My point is that I still have strong passion with Naruto series, I just don't like naruto as a character, I still like tons of other sider characters like Neji Gai, tobirama etc there's reason why I still watch naruto, and even I'm disappointed I wouldn't drop out when I've invested the time for the majority of the time, it's pointless to drop a series when it's almost finished.

You are continually contradicting yourself. First, you use aspects long from the beginning to try to support your standpoint that Naruto was always luck, only a second later to state that he was a loser and a droppout from the beginning. Sorry,but you can't go both ways. Make up your mind.

Hashirama and Madara were the first reincarnations and came to a truce, yet in the end, Hashirama was forced to fight Madara and though he won, Madara survived. Furthermore, his peace was imperfect and did not last.

Neji was born a genius from birth, was the greatest of the chuunin and the first to become a jounin, yet in the end, he was killed.

Naruto said he and Sasuke will fight and be killed, making it predetermined. However, this has not happened yet and knowledge can change the future.

Naruto trained throughout the whole series until now. There was nothing fast about it. He has trained for ten years like any other shinobi and in every single arc.

You shouldn't label assumptions so dogmatically. Madara has consistently shown new ocular techniques throughout this arc.

And though I generally don't result to ad hominum, you have pissed me off by continually ignoring my points and data so I will this time. As I stated and as others have made out, you sound quite biased and angered about Neji dying. Or let me guess, you have recently started a new series and it has subjectively effected your opinion of the Naruto series. Is this true or false?

P.S. Neji did not die because it was his duty to protect his cousin, he died because he loved her.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Thanks , Besides OP is wrong. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE UNDERDOG term in NARUTOVERSE anymore. Even Rock lee can be arguable stated to be talented because he can open 8 INNER GATES.

THE UNDERDOG term was only Term kishi used to show us how everyone of us can be/begin as then through hardwork/suffering the pain, not giving up and pushing further while we get to know more pople and life advances we begin to discover our talents which bloom and show us effect of our hardwork.

Lee,Gai, Might Dai - they were also talented but the talent was hidden to them because it was rare and they didn't have clue about it so they needed time to develop these talents and make them bloom. The reason what we, people are so different is shown by fact that everyone is talenet but at the same time has different talent.

OP's understatment of the manga- > UNDERDOG(NO TALENT)-> OP
Kishi's message through the manga-> UNDERDOG(TALENTED but cannot use it/ unleash)->OP



@ bold part, it is sad OP , that you don't believe in great efforts bring great results.

IMO, The pain/hardwork/suffering and overcoming obstacles on his way Naruto has done suffered/expierienced a lot more then Chouji, Lee or even Neji so that the reason why Kishi made his efforts paying into even greater power up/performance. It is only logical chain of events. The greater hardwork you do the greater effect you get, it is simple as that.

Of course may make it looking as everything was set before Naruto was born or destiny playing great role in it. However IMO this is not the case, by sheer fact alone that Sage never suspected/foresaw Indra and Ashura's descdendants working together.

Please understand that Kishi changed message of the manga to Three main points:

1) Everyone is talented(there is no talentless people, of course one talent can be greater then other)
2) Even being born in hard conditions throught he hardwork and not giving up you can reach hapiness and make your talent bloom.
3) The greater pain you go through, the hardwork you did the greater result you get.

Everyone who portrayed as a shinobi failed. Name at least one aspect that Naruto failed? There's no conflict with Naruto character, everything he's done up to now was nothing more but shortcut that because of his achieved through greater results. Now everyone worship and praisies Naruto as Jesus.

Destiny, prophecy, and fate were all said to be true in the latest chapters which contradicts many of your points. The fact he is the child of prophecy says the same thing. Honestly, this conversation is being had is proof that this is bad writing on Kishimoto's part because he changed the running theme of the show.

 

[To Whatever]

Guys what the OP wants is for naruto to have been born with cancerous weak bones so that he would be stuck in a wheel chair no chakra not a smudge of intelligence and absolutely no help no will and no way to gain power and then somehow rise from it through hard work that hard work that he has no willpower to do

Then he would call it an asspull.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Everyone who portrayed as a shinobi failed. Name at least one aspect that Naruto failed? There's no conflict with Naruto character, everything he's done up to now was nothing more but shortcut that because of his achieved through greater results. Now everyone worship and praisies Naruto as Jesus.

Destiny, prophecy, and fate were all said to be true in the latest chapters which contradicts many of your points. The fact he is the child of prophecy says the same thing. Honestly, this conversation is being had is proof that this is bad writing on Kishimoto's part because he changed the running theme of the show.

Here you go, chakra control - YOU CAN NOT DENY THAT IT WAS THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IN NARUTO's progress as Ninja.
It was only recently after Kurama cooperated Naruto when he could use chakra well.

Naruto had live with Kurama, who was hostile since the begning towards Naruto. You may argue that Kurama helped him a lot as well, but IMO bad sides at least equal positive sides or even neglect it. It was only when he got KCM Naruto then He begin to getting profit from Kurama's host.

@ underline part, sorry but Kishi is human not machine, so he can change the manga a bit as the main theme still stayed untouched but you are filled with too much hate to see it.

Fate/destiny is all bullshit. The reason: No matter how great heritage(talent/DNA) you have because if you don't work hard enough then you may not get even chance to make use of your talent comming from heritage.

Show the fate/destiny stuff being true, please just one example then I will show you your wrong way of looking at it.

 

[To Whatever]

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Naruto was born no good.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Guys what the OP wants is for naruto to have been born with cancerous weak bones so that he would be stuck in a wheel chair no chakra not a smudge of intelligence and absolutely no help no will and no way to gain power and then somehow rise from it through hard work that hard work that he has no willpower to do

Pretty much. Along with no backstory, lineage or anything special about him. Just a random, one-dimensional person with no ideals, goals, determination or a will of his own, much like the user who agreed with the op in a one-liner. No happiness, no happy ending, no hope, no cause and effect. Nothing. Yet he claims he loved this manga and only now dislikes it's main protagonist.

 

[Sageflash]

Pretty much. Along with no backstory, lineage or anything special about him. Just a random, one-dimensional person with no ideals, goals or determination, much like the user who agreed with him in a one-liner. No happiness, no happy ending, no hope, no cause and effect. Nothing. Yet he claims he loved this manga and only now dislikes it's main protagonist.

It's hilarious how he thought he grasped the message yet warped it completely and continues to contradict himself. He's just butthurt Neji died because he cared about Naruto and Hinata.

 

[YellowFang]

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Naruto was born no good.

That's what Naruto thought because he failed so much in his early life... He never realized his hidden potential that many seniors did...

 

[saw2097]

The OP clearly had no idea what character development is.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

You are continually contradicting yourself. First, you use aspects long from the beginning to try to support your standpoint that Naruto was always luck, only a second later to state that he was a loser and a droppout from the beginning. Sorry,but you can't go both ways. Make up your mind.

No, the point of this discussion is that Naruto was born lucky in term of inheritance not to do with how people treat him.

Hashirama and Madara were the first reincarnations and came to a truce, yet in the end, Hashirama was forced to fight Madara and though he won, Madara survived. Furthermore, his peace was imperfect and did not last.

Neji was born a genius from birth, was the greatest of the chuunin and the first to become a jounin, yet in the end, he was killed.

Naruto said he and Sasuke will fight and be killed, making it predetermined. However, this has not happened yet and knowledge can change the future.

Naruto trained throughout the whole series until now. There was nothing fast about it. He has trained for ten years like any other shinobi and in every single arc.

You shouldn't label assumptions so dogmatically. Madara has consistently shown new ocular techniques throughout this arc.

But that "Choice" ended up fulfilling the same destiny that he was forced upon at birth. You cannot deny that being either a HUGE coincidence or Kishi does not care anymore. He was just doing damage control and I think people need to stop making excuses for him and see that maybe that idea was scraped by kishi. The fact is his destiny was to protect the main branch even if it costs him his life, and guess what? It costs him his life, so what does that say about destiny which was already predicted/determined? It was right after all, he was bound till his last breathe.

Naruto and Sasuke will eventually fight upon their ideals thats the whole message that was portrayed by the SO6P all these endless cycle of hatred and these 2 descendant who are basically a duplicated of Naruto and Sasuke

And though I generally don't result to ad hominum, you have pissed me off by continually ignoring my points and data so I will this time. As I stated and as others have made out, you sound quite biased and angered about Neji dying. Or let me guess, you have recently started a new series and it has subjectively effected your opinion of the Naruto series. Is this true or false?

P.S. Neji did not die because it was his duty to protect his cousin, he died because he loved her.

Dude, everyone is biased here man, in fact I'm not even bringing a topic with Neji death, I'm still pissed about Naruto character the way it turned out to be.

 

[To Whatever]

That's what Naruto thought because he failed so much in his early life... He never realized his hidden potential that many seniors did...

It wasn't many:

Iruka, Hiruzen, and Kakashi(after the land of waves arc).

His potential would have been wasted had he not worked so hard. He worked hard to be acknowledged and he grew to find out that protecting the ones you care for empowers you.

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His worst justu became his greatest asset because the only one who acknowledged him at the time was in danger:

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The summoning justu that proved difficult for him succeeded because the person he wanted to protect was in danger.

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A justu deemed too advanced for him was utilized successfully after the one he wanted to protect was at risk.

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In order to master the bijuu chakra, he confronted his evils.

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In order to save his comrades he conquered a massive hurdle by mastering the Bijuu Bomb.

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Naruto was not born lucky and he's never taken it easy throughout the entire series. Everything he's been granted was earned. Kurama is no different. He was tasked to conquer a ancient beast made out to be the embodiment of Hatred and strife. Kurama wasn't just free Chakra, every single time he received it, he was taxed. It cost him his sanity and lifespan each time he did.

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You say he's been brought up as a messiah when he clearly says he wants to live up to that hype and be the man they want him to be.

He still believes destiny can be changed, it is why he was so against Obito and Nagato.

It is why he said Obito didn't have to go down the road he did if he had only endured.​

 

[Chihaya]

Being in a strong clan, if you're weak, doesn't mean anything.
A clan is just a title. Naruto was weak. Naruto grew and tried his hardest.
Heck, Naruto himself didn't exactly know how strong his clan was. Or who his father was.
He thought himself as a no-body. He grew up and made a name for himself, despite all the hatred people glared at him with. Then he grew up to be someone everyone greatly looked up to :3 even if he wasn't in the uzumaki clan, he would of done the exact same!

 

[SkyGodHorus]

No, the point of this discussion is that Naruto was born lucky in term of inheritance not to do with how people treat him.

Changing your initial standpoint after you have been debunked and after an extended length of discussion and time does not help your situation either. You gave no indication of which sort of "luck" you were referring to.

But that "Choice" ended up fulfilling the same destiny that he was forced upon at birth.

Annnd again, failing to indicate whom you are referring to while ignoring other points.

You cannot deny that being either a HUGE coincidence or Kishi does not care anymore. He was just doing damage control and I think people need to stop making excuses for him and see that maybe that idea was scraped by kishi.

Kishimoto requires no "excuses" from anyone. He writes his manga how ever he wishes to write his manga. One fan's subjective, invalidated, generalized assumptions and disdain does not change that.

The fact is his destiny was to protect the main branch even if it costs him his life, and guess what? It costs him his life, so what does that say about destiny which was already predicted/determined? It was right after all, he was bound till his last breathe.

He was protecting Hinata (and Naruto) because he cared for them. Duty had nothing to do with it. If Hinata's father or another k11 had been closer, they would have done the same thing, as other characters have done in the past.

Naruto and Sasuke will eventually fight upon their ideals thats the whole message that was portrayed by the SO6P all these endless cycle of hatred and these 2 descendant who are basically a duplicated of Naruto and Sasuke

You will not know what will happen between Naruto and Sasuke until it does happen.

Dude, everyone is biased here man,

Except me. Thank you for admitting you are however.

in fact I'm not even bringing a topic with Neji death, I'm still pissed about Naruto character the way it turned out to be.

Anger clouds judgement and instills more bias.

And in all honesty, I don't think you even know what you're pissed about considering you've contradicted virtually all of your statements.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Here you go, chakra control - YOU CAN NOT DENY THAT IT WAS THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IN NARUTO's progress as Ninja.
It was only recently after Kurama cooperated Naruto when he could use chakra well.

Naruto had live with Kurama, who was hostile since the begning towards Naruto. You may argue that Kurama helped him a lot as well, but IMO bad sides at least equal positive sides or even neglect it. It was only when he got KCM Naruto then He begin to getting profit from Kurama's host.

@ underline part, sorry but Kishi is human not machine, so he can change the manga a bit as the main theme still stayed untouched but you are filled with too much hate to see it.

Fate/destiny is all bullshit. The reason: No matter how great heritage(talent/DNA) you have because if you don't work hard enough then you may not get even chance to make use of your talent comming from heritage.

Show the fate/destiny stuff being true, please just one example then I will show you your wrong way of looking at it.

You got some point about chakra control, that was his biggest obstacle but I would really hate it if Kishi makes Naruto achieve every single one of these goals. We've seen others like Nagato, Obito and Madara and others try to do this and Naruto can achieve all this just because he promised? It would feel something along the lines of a fairy tail. I feel that it is a better message to children that you should give it all but sometimes you will still fail.

Also the concept of a 16 year old kid achieving what the Senju, Uchiha, All five villages and the Sage himself couldn't is just laughable. At the very least just have him have an advisory team so that this kid doesn't come across as some jumped up Gary-stu like Messiah.

Let's look at the list of all the things he has promised throughout the series:
-Become the Hokage, becoming acknowledged by everybody
-Surpass every Kage in history
-Change the way of the Hyuga (even though he has no business there)
-Bring peace to the Ninja World
-Improve conditions in the Hidden Rain (once again, no business there)
-Bring Sasuke back to the village

 

[SkyGodHorus]

You got some point about chakra control, that was his biggest obstacle but I would really hate it if Kishi makes Naruto achieve every single one of these goals. We've seen others like Nagato, Obito and Madara and others try to do this and Naruto can achieve all this just because he promised? It would feel something along the lines of a fairy tail. I feel that it is a better message to children that you should give it all but sometimes you will still fail.

Naruto has failed numerous times throughout the series. This is fiction, not none-fiction and most fairy tails are written to inspire children.

Also the concept of a 16 year old kid achieving what the Senju, Uchiha, All five villages and the Sage himself couldn't is just laughable. At the very least just have him have an advisory team so that this kid doesn't come across as some jumped up Gary-stu like Messiah.

He hasn't achieved peace yet. And he isn't the founder of the shinobi alliance, the kages are. Considering he is doing this with Sasuke, if he succeeds, he wouldn't be the only "messiah."

Let's look at the list of all the things he has promised throughout the series:
-Become the Hokage, becoming acknowledged by everybody
-Surpass every Kage in history
-Change the way of the Hyuga (even though he has no business there)
-Bring peace to the Ninja World
-Improve conditions in the Hidden Rain (once again, no business there)
-Bring Sasuke back to the village

Is there a point you are trying to make here?

 

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He went from a hard worker born with a beast inside of him to a spoon-fed fodder who is spoon-fed everything like a newborn.

 

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He went from a hard worker born with a beast inside of him to a spoon-fed fodder who is spoon-fed everything like a newborn.

No, he worked hard for everything and with everything he had.

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His potential would have been wasted had he not worked so hard. He worked hard to be acknowledged and he grew to find out that protecting the ones you care for empowers you.

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His worst justu became his greatest asset because the only one who acknowledged him at the time was in danger:

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The summoning justu that proved difficult for him succeeded because the person he wanted to protect was in danger.

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A justu deemed too advanced for him was utilized successfully after the one he wanted to protect was at risk.

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In order to master the bijuu chakra, he confronted his evils.

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In order to save his comrades he conquered a massive hurdle by mastering the Bijuu Bomb.

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Naruto was not born lucky and he's never taken it easy throughout the entire series. Everything he's been granted was earned. Kurama is no different. He was tasked to conquer a ancient beast made out to be the embodiment of Hatred and strife. Kurama wasn't just free Chakra, every single time he received it, he was taxed. It cost him his sanity and lifespan each time he did.

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You say he's been brought up as a messiah when he clearly says he wants to live up to that hype and be the man they want him to be.

He still believes destiny can be changed, it is why he was so against Obito and Nagato.

It is why he said Obito didn't have to go down the road he did if he had only endured.​