I Wish Naruto was Born Unlucky

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I did read it, and you only got mad when Naruto showed up and started dealing with Madara, you were jumping for joy when Might Gai was wiping the floor with Madara.

Well guess what, Gai, and Lee are the true defination of hardworking

 

[paratise]

Yeah, I didn't mean it like that. I was talking about his part 1 nostalgia and the way he talks about hardwork etc. I just thought it was similiar to catterpillar in a way and then you said that he's a rock lee and Gai fanboy. No disrespect to catterpillar...

Yet you say i am a fanboy..?

 

[To Whatever]

Kishi has thrown hard work out the window. It's all about Genetic lineage and power now after seeing spoiler 673, it reminded of myself why I disliked Naruto so much given all the requirements to be GREAT .... .

I hate the concept of destiny in a series when used like this, it takes away from the characters free will, which in turn takes away from the character

It's a damn shame that a once awesome inspiring main character completely went down to the drain especially this War Arc butchered this character it's not even funny.

I wish Kishi made Naruto like Sakura: a nobody from a no name clan who grew to greatness.

Damn, so having your parents die hours after you're born isn't unlucky?

Having your godfather killed isnt unlucky?

 

[ekichi onizuka]

I would definitely say he worked hard for his powers Only throughout Part 1 that is. The only thing in Shippuden that I've seen Naruto bust his ass off for nearly as much as he did back in part 1 was the Rasenshuriken. In my opinion Kishimoto-san changed his ideals towards the series after the time skip.

The problem is the concept of "Destiny;" "Destiny" can be portrayed as like a "Force," this "Force" acts and plays in a way that triggers a series of events that will lead to a predetermined destination in this case since Naruto is the Child of Prophecy many can make the argument that his "Destiny" was to be hated so that he could understand pain, someone (Iruka) would be the one to set him on the path of good, he would slowly, but much faster than anyone unprecedented (You can call this Main character growth) then add in what missions he went on, the life and death moments, the people he has met, the people he has battled and the things he has said, since there is a being who can tell prophecies and foresee futures that means that everything Naruto has done has been guided by the invisible hand of destiny

you don't know that hard work pays off that's the whole point of shippuuden

 

[~Sky~]

I don't like prophecies or implications of destiny being involved in any story. It always makes the protagonist less relatable.

But, Naruto did apparently earn Ashura's chakra and he has worked very hard.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

I would definitely say he worked hard for his powers Only throughout Part 1 that is. The only thing in Shippuden that I've seen Naruto bust his ass off for nearly as much as he did back in part 1 was the Rasenshuriken. In my opinion Kishimoto-san changed his ideals towards the series after the time skip.

The problem is the concept of "Destiny;" "Destiny" can be portrayed as like a "Force," this "Force" acts and plays in a way that triggers a series of events that will lead to a predetermined destination in this case since Naruto is the Child of Prophecy many can make the argument that his "Destiny" was to be hated so that he could understand pain, someone (Iruka) would be the one to set him on the path of good, he would slowly, but much faster than anyone unprecedented (You can call this Main character growth) then add in what missions he went on, the life and death moments, the people he has met, the people he has battled and the things he has said, since there is a being who can tell prophecies and foresee futures that means that everything Naruto has done has been guided by the invisible hand of destiny

Don't forget his SM training and then his KM training. For BM, he had to prove himself before Kurama was willing to merge his chakra with Naruto.

Your view on the "Child of Prophecy" is incorrect. A prophecy isn't a force and it has nothing to do with destiny. A prophecy is like a premonition, a glimpse of the future. That means someone saw Naruto's future. But that future could change depending on what Naruto chooses to do with his life. If he was willing to give up on any occasion, his future would've changed.

So a prophecy is only a glimpse of what Naruto would achieve in the future.

 

[Honord Sage]

Were the luck in losing both parent on your birthday?Of having a Tail Beast sealed in you? of being hated and hunted like an animal for something not your fault.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Kishi has thrown hard work out the window. It's all about Genetic lineage and power now after seeing spoiler 673, it reminded of myself why I disliked Naruto so much given all the requirements to be GREAT .... .

I hate the concept of destiny in a series when used like this, it takes away from the characters free will, which in turn takes away from the character

It's a damn shame that a once awesome inspiring main character completely went down to the drain especially this War Arc butchered this character it's not even funny.

I wish Kishi made Naruto like Sakura: a nobody from a no name clan who grew to greatness.

What in the world are you talking about? Naruto did work hard to get to where he is. He trained to learn bukujutsu, mass clones, bukujutsu, chakra control, rasengan, summoning and senjutsu and had to communicate and acknowledge the bijuus in order for them to acknowledge him. You've completely miscomprehended things.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Damn, so having your parents die hours after you're born isn't unlucky?

Having your godfather killed isnt unlucky?

His parents death is the reason why he's lucky in the first place. Naruto doesn't fail in atleast one aspect, There's no conflict within this character. When you take look at everyone else, They were portrayed as people who failed as Shinobi.

you don't know that hard work pays off that's the whole point of shippuuden

Like what, Naruto constantly taking shortcuts with relying Ninetails most of the time.

 

[Flakez]

Naruto was unlucky.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

noone cares

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Don't forget his SM training and then his KM training. For BM, he had to prove himself before Kurama was willing to merge his chakra with Naruto.

Your view on the "Child of Prophecy" is incorrect. A prophecy isn't a force and it has nothing to do with destiny. A prophecy is like a premonition, a glimpse of the future. That means someone saw Naruto's future. But that future could change depending on what Naruto chooses to do with his life. If he was willing to give up on any occasion, his future would've changed.

So a prophecy is only a glimpse of what Naruto would achieve in the future.

The thing about it is that he may have worked a bit hard on sage mode but nothing like jiraiya had to do which can be called destiny because he had to do much less work and was even better at it. The control over kurama training was not through hard work alone. In his battle with the kyuubi he got bailed out by his mum, then had a nice sit down story time with her for what took a few chapters and then he finally defeated kurama with a massive amount of chakra that he didn't even have before then.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Yet you say i am a fanboy..?

I knew you would come out...

What's wrong with being a fanboy/girl of a character? Everyone is a fanboy/girl of someone even if they don't admit it.

But anyway, I didn't mean that you are the same as the OP when it comes to fanboying, all I said was you two had similar views on things, so it kinda reminded me of you in a way (I'm talking about how you think part 1 is better and how you like hardworking characters and then I heard that the OP like Guy and Lee).

 

[SkyGodHorus]

The thing about it is that he may have worked a bit hard on sage mode but nothing like jiraiya had to do which can be called destiny because he had to do much less work and was even better at it. The control over kurama training was not through hard work alone. In his battle with the kyuubi he got bailed out by his mum, then had a nice sit down story time with her for what took a few chapters and then he finally defeated kurama with a massive amount of chakra that he didn't even have before then.

Naruto has always had massive chakra. He is an Uzumaki who mastered mass clone jutsu and Kakashi stated he didn't have near as much chakra as he. Furthermore, Naruto also used senjutsu in that fight.

 

[YellowFang]

If Naruto hadn't born lucky, there was no need for this manga...

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Naruto has always had massive chakra. He is an Uzumaki who mastered mass clone jutsu and Kakashi stated he didn't have near as much chakra as he. Furthermore, Naruto also used senjutsu in that fight.

Naruto has the chakra of the sage's son, he has A large supply of chakra because he was born an uzumaki, and he has the Kyubbi's chakra therefore Naruto was destined from he beginning to be a Powerful Ninja, Neji was absolute right in this sense.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

The thing about it is that he may have worked a bit hard on sage mode but nothing like jiraiya had to do which can be called destiny because he had to do much less work and was even better at it. The control over kurama training was not through hard work alone. In his battle with the kyuubi he got bailed out by his mum, then had a nice sit down story time with her for what took a few chapters and then he finally defeated kurama with a massive amount of chakra that he didn't even have before then.

Who cares if he mastered SM quicker than Jiraya? Just because he didn't struggle as much as Jiraya did, doesn't mean that he didn't work hard. It just means that he's more skilled at it, but the point is that he trained for the ability.

So what if he had help with fighting Kurama, he still had to master the chakra he gained from him and that required amazing chakra control. So he trained for that too.

You seem to think that training should only involve struggle and without it, it isn't training at all right? That's BS. Naruto did have a hard time training that abilities, but just because he didn't struggle as hard as some people was due to his own skill.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

If Naruto hadn't born lucky, there was no need for this manga...

Nope, Naruto being born unlucky in Part 1 was the reason why this manga exist in the first place not until shippuden

 

[saw2097]

Didn't Naruto's training include being chucked off a cliff and he lost consciousness when training for the Rasengan, and he got numerous bruises from the Sage Mode training, having to overcome his own past, and then there was his training to master the Wind Release, and he even had to train to master Tailed Beast chakra with Killer Bee.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Naruto has the chakra of the sage's son,

And he is also an Uzumaki.

he has A large supply of chakra because he was born an uzumaki, and he has the Kyubbi's chakra therefore Naruto was destined from he beginning to be a Powerful Ninja, Neji was absolute right in this sense.

It doesn't take away all the work he did which I love that you conveniently ignored in my initial post. He worked to learn bukijutsu, to tone his body and dextirity, to control chakra, to develop wind element, rasengan and bijuu dama, to learn summoning and senjutsu and to use bijuu mode. And he WAS born unlucky. His family and entire clan were slaughtered while he was left with no parents and a demon in himself and regarded as a pariah. It took the entire series for he to control the kyuubi's full power by developing his techniques, defeating strong enemies and communicating with Kurama. Before that, he went berserk and it destroyed his body. And it took three quarters of the series for he to gain the village's favor.