[Discussion] I want to address this common misconception about Aokiji

[ultraChalk]

I agree that Akainu probably did something cheap.
He's cheap like that.

 

[ToshiZO]

Just face it Akainu > Kuzan.

If anything I rarely see people state Akainu is much stronger in fact I see people stating Kuzan is stronger more often than not, It seems to me Akainu was just a better fighter. Granted the fight lasted 10 days but we have no idea what happened for all we know Akainu might have tried to reason with Kuzan and tried to talk sense into him as the loss of an Admiral would affect the Marines and the world Government.

The fact that Akainu let Kuzan live shows me Akainu wasn't trying to kill Kuzan and significantly held back in the fight.

Anyway the answer to your question 'if' a round 2 happened Akainu would win again.

lol Akainu reasoning with Kuzan? Just lol.

 

[ultraChalk]

lol Akainu reasoning with Kuzan? Just lol.

I think you have this the other way around.

Akainu would never bother trying to reason with anybody in the first place. But Kuzan on the other hand, that sounds just like him to do that.

 

[ToshiZO]

I think you have this the other way around.

Akainu would never bother trying to reason with anybody in the first place. But Kuzan on the other hand, that sounds just like him to do that.

....cant read? I think you should be quoting the other guy.

 

[ultraChalk]

....cant read? I think you should be quoting the other guy.

I can read fine, I just misinterpreted your words.

 

[Kiiszame]

Kizaru is heavily underrated. People think that just because Akainu and Aokiji were nominated for fleet admiral they are stronger than Kizaru

I was mesmerized by your sig. Much respect to you.

 

[TheHokage]

lol Akainu reasoning with Kuzan? Just lol.

Eh why would he? It was stated Kuzan gave it his all because he didn't want Akainu to become the fleet Admiral and it's been well shown that Akainu would use words in order to get his way, take Squardo for example and provoking Ace into turning around. Akainu sparing Kuzan also shows that he wasn't trying to kill him even going for injuries like taking off legs shows he was trying to immobilize Kuzan.

Akainu has been portrayed to be the overall strongest and most cunning Admiral, so him trying to reason with Kuzan doesn't seem that implausible.

 

[scorezor]

the link isn't working , lol.

 

[KingAaronXII]

Eh why would he? It was stated Kuzan gave it his all because he didn't want Akainu to become the fleet Admiral and it's been well shown that Akainu would use words in order to get his way, take Squardo for example and provoking Ace into turning around. Akainu sparing Kuzan also shows that he wasn't trying to kill him even going for injuries like taking off legs shows he was trying to immobilize Kuzan.

Akainu has been portrayed to be the overall strongest and most cunning Admiral, so him trying to reason with Kuzan doesn't seem that implausible.

This the same person who attacked Luffy just because of his blood ties, I highly doubt he's the reasoning type. They're just neck and neck, (pause).

 

[LuffyWantsMeat]

I think that Aokiji is a much better fighter for the same reasons that some of the people on this thread say that akainu is better, the nature of their fruits. Think about this, if Akainu has such a drastic advantage in terms of fruits and it still took him ten days to defeat Aokiji, who was really the better fighter. In my opinion just because of this fact i think Aokiji should have been fleet admiral.

Ps. I'm not hating on Akainu (although I don't like him) I just didn't think that it would take a LAVAman 10 days to defeat a ICEman

 

[Fireplay]

Akainu was always portrayed as the alpha dog when it came down to the admirals. I have no idea how the fight truly went but Akainu is only a tiny bit stronger than Kuzan. I don't think Akainu would cheap shot Aokiji. There are many scenarios.

1. Akainu cheap shotted Kuzan
2. Kuzan won the fight but let Akainu take the FA spot thus deceiving everyone into thinking that Akainu won
3. Akainu won fair and square

Number 2 could be a possibility. Aokiji said that Akainu spared his life because they were comrades. Akainu seems too ruthless to do something like that. Still for now im going with Akainu winning fair and square.

 

[Ganymede]

We all know how these two guys are so powerful, right?
Basically lava will win against ice but there might be something that Akainu had done to defeat Aokiji..
It might be a dirty trick, or something..
or maybe because they are so equal and cannot defeat each other, someone interferes and maybe attack a weakened Aokiji..
Well, it's just my prediction but it might be possible

 

[ToshiZO]

Eh why would he? It was stated Kuzan gave it his all because he didn't want Akainu to become the fleet Admiral and it's been well shown that Akainu would use words in order to get his way, take Squardo for example and provoking Ace into turning around. Akainu sparing Kuzan also shows that he wasn't trying to kill him even going for injuries like taking off legs shows he was trying to immobilize Kuzan.

Akainu has been portrayed to be the overall strongest and most cunning Admiral, so him trying to reason with Kuzan doesn't seem that implausible.

Thats the issue we can't be making what ifs to meet our own power scaling, from what we have been given they are pretty much equals. Akainu is not someone who would hesitate one bit, he is one of the most straightforward personalities in the show. I could see him saying something like, "Id rather not have to do this, but since you're so willing to die I'll grant that to you". But we should leave the fanfic for the fanfic. People saying Akainu must have cheapshotted aren't any better than people saying Akainu spent some time reasoning with Aokiji, what you're doing is matching the facts and twisting them to meet your own powerscaling of Akainu > Aokiji. Akainu held back you say? That's ridiculous, did you not see Aokiji's leg? Or rather you probably didn't see it cause its not there anymore.

OT:

IMO I think the difference was Akainu's perseverance, I'm not gonna go as far as to say cheapshot, but Akainu probably used something so minor to his advantage (he's the anything goes in a fight type of guy), to tilt the battle in his favour. I doubt it is something unfair....there is no such thing in a death match. In the end it would be Aokiji's fault not to be on guard.


Also at the people crying Lava > Ice. This is Oda's world Fvck Logic.

 

[TheHokage]

Thats the issue we can't be making what ifs to meet our own power scaling, from what we have been given they are pretty much equals. Akainu is not someone who would hesitate one bit, he is one of the most straightforward personalities in the show. I could see him saying something like, "Id rather not have to do this, but since you're so willing to die I'll grant that to you". But we should leave the fanfic for the fanfic. People saying Akainu must have cheapshotted aren't any better than people saying Akainu spent some time reasoning with Aokiji, what you're doing is matching the facts and twisting them to meet your own powerscaling of Akainu > Aokiji. Akainu held back you say? That's ridiculous, did you not see Aokiji's leg? Or rather you probably didn't see it cause its not there anymore.

OT:

IMO I think the difference was Akainu's perseverance, I'm not gonna go as far as to say cheapshot, but Akainu probably used something so minor to his advantage (he's the anything goes in a fight type of guy), to tilt the battle in his favour. I doubt it is something unfair....there is no such thing in a death match. In the end it would be Aokiji's fault not to be on guard.


Also at the people crying Lava > Ice. This is Oda's world Fvck Logic.

That was my point if people can say Aokiji tried to reason with Akainu why couldn't Akainu do the same thing? He spared Aokiji so there must have been a reason for that. Also with the fact it was Aokiji's leg had been took off doesn't necessarily mean Akainu was going for the kill since taking off a leg seems to me anyway more of an attack that would immobilize and opponent rather than killing them.

But I agree speculation on what actually happened in the fight is basically everyone one just shotting their own opinions in the only real cold hard facts we have about the fight was that Akainu won.

 

[ToshiZO]

That was my point if people can say Aokiji tried to reason with Akainu why couldn't Akainu do the same thing? He spared Aokiji so there must have been a reason for that. Also with the fact it was Aokiji's leg had been took off doesn't necessarily mean Akainu was going for the kill since taking off a leg seems to me anyway more of an attack that would immobilize and opponent rather than killing them.

But I agree speculation on what actually happened in the fight is basically everyone one just shotting their own opinions in the only real cold hard facts we have about the fight was that Akainu won.

Exactly Akainu beat Aokiji after a climate changing 10 day fight. Nothing indicates either were holding back. That is pretty much it.