I thought Kamui doesn't work for Juubi jinchurikis -_-

[Trollasaur]

Obito could not use Kamui because the Juubi was too large to move dimensions. So there is no way, Madara should not be able to use any kind of way to enter the dimension, Obito Kamui or Kakashi Kamui.

Kkashi can warp the Jubi though

so theres that.

But explanation is still needed, that and wireless susanoo

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Well since when does Madara follow plot anyway? He already broke Kishimoto's logic once he activated susanno without eyes, why is this any different?

If DBZ has plot holes, Naruto has plot craters. The manga goes full retard in every 20 chapter

 

[Element Master]

There are three options. I will present them to you in the order of most to least logical.

Option A: Madara can use Kamui because he spit out the sage tools, the sage tools were stopping Obito from using his kamui. Most logical since this is really the only difference between the two.

Option B: Only phasing was limited by becoming the juubi jin, Obito could have still warped his entirety to the other dimension, but he thought there was no point in doing so since he thought he was pretty much invinvible.

Option C: Being the juubi Jin allows for the kamui in Kakashi's eye, but doesn't allow for the kamui in Obito's eye for whatever reason.

Option D: madara has the juubi under more control than Obito so he can use Kamui

 

[ShisuiReborn]

Vis translation said that obito cant Phase with the juubi.. however it sais nothing about using kamui to go to the actual dimension..

Im pretty sure this is the logic here.

Obito couldn't use any Kamui technique whatsoever when he was Jinchuriki. Everybody said "Juubi is too large for teleportation" bla bla bla

Now it's been proved that Kishi's been drunk since world war arc started

The whole "too large for teleportation" was more saying that Kakashi couldn't just use Kamui on the Juubi and send it into the other dimension and end the war like that.

While Kishi hasn't been extremely clear on everything, you guys are being a little too harsh here, in all honestly. He has some sort of an idea of what he's doing, so just bear with him. If not, you can go write your own ~674 chapter manga, THEN complain.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Kkashi can warp the Jubi though

so theres that.

But explanation is still needed, that and wireless susanoo

Forgot about that.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Option D: madara has the juubi under more control than Obito so he can use Kamui

It doesn't matter about control. It matters about size. Obito said it is too big not too unstable

 

[Meee]

You said it yourself terrible writing.

 

[stinkey]

obito didnt have full control over the jubbi that is why he couldnt use kumi. now he he a pseudo jinjuriki and he teleported to kumi dimension. this means madara has better control over the jubi than obito and that is how he can teleport

 

[Trollasaur]

obito didnt have full control over the jubbi that is why he couldnt use kumi. now he he a pseudo jinjuriki and he teleported to kumi dimension. this means madara has better control over the jubi than obito and that is how he can teleport

Bullshit.........

 

[theacknowledgedone]

1. Madara transfered half of the Jubbi - Lol

2. Kamui can't phase parts of the Jubbi only the whole?

3. Madara obtained all the pieces of the Jubbi Jin whereas Obito didn't.

4. Plothole.

 

[ShisuiReborn]

Bullshit.........

Not really. Madara having more control/being a more powerful jinchuuriki makes a lot of sense, considering:

Madara is, overall, stronger than Obito.
The Juubi absorbed by Obito was less complete compared to Madara's form, due to the lack of the eight/nine tails in their entirety.
Obito nearly lost his mind to the Juubi and only remained in control by thinking slightly pedophilic thoughts about Rin.
And, again, Madara is simply more powerful than Obito in literally every way.

 

[Misconception]

There are three options. I will present them to you in the order of most to least logical.

Option A: Madara can use Kamui because he spit out the sage tools, the sage tools were stopping Obito from using his kamui. Most logical since this is really the only difference between the two.

Option B: Only phasing was limited by becoming the juubi jin, Obito could have still warped his entirety to the other dimension, but he thought there was no point in doing so since he thought he was pretty much invinvible.

Option C: Being the juubi Jin allows for the kamui in Kakashi's eye, but doesn't allow for the kamui in Obito's eye for whatever reason.

Im going with option A very possible...

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Not really. Madara having more control/being a more powerful jinchuuriki makes a lot of sense, considering:

Madara is, overall, stronger than Obito.
The Juubi absorbed by Obito was less complete compared to Madara's form, due to the lack of the eight/nine tails in their entirety.
Obito nearly lost his mind to the Juubi and only remained in control by thinking slightly pedophilic thoughts about Rin.
And, again, Madara is simply more powerful than Obito in literally every way.

What does having control over juubi has to do with 'Kamui' anyway? Why couldn't Obito teleport himself? There's no plausible logic behind this

 

[theacknowledgedone]

What does having control over juubi has to do with 'Kamui' anyway? Why couldn't Obito teleport himself? There's no plausible logic behind this

Obito probably couldn't phase the Jubbi because he was within him and couldn't send him to the other dimension.

Host and Jin must travel as one. Theres your logic.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Obito probably couldn't phase the Jubbi because he was within him and couldn't send him to the other dimension.

Host and Jin must travel as one. Theres your logic.

Where did you get this from?

 

[SkyGodHorus]

My first theory is that Obito either used Kamui to seal the Juubi while Madara sealed it into his body thus reopening Kamui would have let the juubi out or left pices of Obito's body vulnerable to it. I believe this because there were whirl like patterns surrounding Obito and the juubi like the kamui whirls and Obito grasped his sharingan after he absorbed it.

My second theory is that the Kamui dimension is inside of Obito and Obito alone and thus a part of the inside of his body, soul or Yin/Mind. If this is true, Madara would be able to use it because it is not a part of him while Obito wouldn't because as I stated earlier, it would either release the Juubi or leave parts of his body vulnerable to it.

 

[LeSauce]

Maybe because Madara has more control over the Juubi than Obito did.

Obito went through that whole ordeal of getting ripped to shreds and Madara just kinda took over.

 

[Dr Doom]

Madara is a repeat offender at not following rules of the manga he is currently in....this is his final warning.

-Dr. Doom