I swear 3 tomoe Tobi > Itachi? Or am I missing something?

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Ngylle

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Actually, how toby escape amataresu is a mistery.

his space time ninjutsu, honestly i dont think so, so he might have used Izanagi to escape from Amataresu.

Tobi used izanagi to escape so one eye left, another one to go.

why? simple he was burning in black fire, tobi can not activate his jutsu in that time, if that were true why he as to use izanagi vs konan, why not do the same he did against amataresu, also vs minato he dint used space time in the moment minato hit him with rasengan.

Izanagi is the only explanation that i have. if that is the case then he would be there by another amataresu..
 
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you mean when itachi was a little kid. the kyuubi was in the leaf village and was akatsukis target. itachi was the only thing saving naruto from the akatsuki in part 1.

tobi already stated that itachi kills him with knowledge. problem?


tobi said that itachi was the only thing in his way and now that he was dead, he could advance his plans. so please keep your bullshit to yourself. this is a rather pathetic attempt to light me up then failing miserably in the process so stop trying to act all high and mighty. tobi already stated that itachi kills him with knowledge.

what the **** are you talking about?
itachi let kisame slash naruto. if it wasnt for jiraiya naruto was dead :rofl: :sy:
 

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what the **** are you talking about?
itachi let kisame slash naruto. if it wasnt for jiraiya naruto was dead :rofl: :sy:
itachi only went to konoha to see sasuke. after that no other akatsuki members went to konoha. tobi already said that itachi wouldnt allow him to attack konoha.
 

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How can jiraya stall him?
-Itachi can controll the summons with sharingan

He can control one summon with sharingan

-he doesnt sit and hide in sussano, but uses it for defence and kill shots

Jiraiya has Earth style to block hits

-the rinnegan is completely different from sharingan. sharingan lets you predict your opponent moves rinnegan doesnt.. plus he only fought 3 bodies

The rinnegan actually was able to predict jiraiya's movements because Pain had 6 eyes on him.
 

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I know the manga , i know he put the 4th mizu under genjutsu .... and ?
we dont even know if Tobi is a real Uchiha and it was stated that Itachi tsukiomi cannot be broken unless ur is sibling. And Izanami would work even on Tobi , genjutsu master or not.

if thats the case why didnt used it on tobi? why waste it to kakashi who is not a threat to konoha? i say waste coz its important every use of his eye makes him blind but still resort to it. they were traped on a frog stomach he used amaterasu. meaning he doesnt have any option but to used mangekyo's power. wasting on unnecessary fights. and didnt try anything to tobi? (yeah he did once when he was dead) :rofl:
 

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cant you read?????

he said fortunately he managed to kept secrets from him, "IF I HAD'NT I'VE BE DEAD RIGHT NOW" RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW

he was talking about that scenario RIGHT NOW. the one that itachi CLEVERLY done to sasuke's eyes "it was a booby trap" thats what itachi's plan to only killed tobi caught him off guard!
 

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Itachi did not has sufficient amount of knowledge on Tobi and he was smart enough to know that he can not take him out without full info, Tobi wanted a powerful ally to further his plans which also includes manipulating and using Sasuke, thats why he let Itachi live and did not attack konoha, if he wanted him dead he could have killed him any day.

exactly and he knew that itachi was loyal to konoha and not a rogue ninja.but he manipulated him like jackass :rofl: if tobi was afraid of itachi he wouldnt accept itachi to join akatsuki and tobi would just order nagato to get rid of him :rofl:

then, tobi would kill him, if he is "stronger"

and to the Jiraya thing.

here are 2 things, that cud be

1. It was part 1 and itachi wasn't strong enough to deal with Jiraiya
2. He didn't wanted Kisame to attack Jiraiya.

what???????

1. it was in PRE part 1 when tobi and itachi had an untimatum (does that mean itachi>tobi that time?)

on itachi's point of view
(tobi/madara will not attack konoha in exchage itachi will help him take revenge on the uchihas for forsaking him)

2. he didnt want kisame to attack jiraiya? oh comeon :rofl:
kisame was useless and a sitting duck when jiraiya summoned frog stomach
useless and itachi knew that kisame was useless or else he wont used amaterasu after he used tsukuyumi coz its a risk. taking a risky ninjutsu means you dont have anyother choice but to used your jutsu. that means kisame useless
 
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cant you read?????

he said fortunately he managed to kept secrets from him, "IF I HAD'NT I'VE BE DEAD RIGHT NOW" RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW

he was talking about that scenario RIGHT NOW. the one that itachi CLEVERLY done to sasuke's eyes "it was a booby trap" thats what itachi's plan to only killed tobi caught him off guard!

What secret could he possibly be talking about in that situation? Im pretty sure he just meant if itachi knew what he knew that he'd(tobi) be dead.
 

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exactly and he knew that itachi was loyal to konoha and not a rogue ninja.but he manipulated him like jackass :rofl: if tobi was afraid of itachi he wouldnt accept itachi to join akatsuki and tobi would just order nagato to get rid of him :rofl:



what???????

1. it was in PRE part 1 when tobi and itachi had an untimatum (does that mean itachi>tobi that time?)

on itachi's point of view
(tobi/madara will not attack konoha in exchage itachi will help him take revenge on the uchihas for forsaking him)

2. he didnt want kisame to attack jiraiya? oh comeon :rofl:
kisame was useless and a sitting duck when jiraiya summoned frog stomach
useless and itachi knew that kisame was useless or else he wont used amaterasu after he used tsukuyumi coz its a risk. taking a risky ninjutsu means you dont have anyother choice but to used your jutsu. that means kisame useless

that doesnt necessarily mean kismae was useless, it could mean that like that guy said itachi didnt honestly want to hurt jiraiya and he knew if they stayed he would have to because jiraiya no easy opponent. And that amaterasu was the only way to get out anyway so he had no choice.
 

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What secret could he possibly be talking about in that situation? Im pretty sure he just meant if itachi knew what he knew that he'd(tobi) be dead.

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READ!!!!

RIGHT NOW? he said RIGHT NOW!!!!!! he was talking about the situation when he got hit by amaterasu off guard but he was lucky that he had SOME secrets to itachi thats why that traps fail otherwise he would be dead RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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So Itachi decided not to kill him and save the world because......?



I'm sure Itachi would've been warped into Tobi's dimension long before then.
The show is called "Naruto", my friend. Plot no jutsu wins them all. The show isn't "Itachi". Plus if they were to have fought Itachi could figure out Tobi's spamming and would figure out his jutsu like Konan. Difficult fight though because of Tobi's spamming. I still see Itachi winning. Although it would be very difficult.
 

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Itachi died loyal to the leaf so killing Jiraiya was out of the question. He actually liked kisame and wouldn't want to see the sage wipe the floor with him wrapped around samahada; escaping was the best option in that predicament.
 
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exactly and he knew that itachi was loyal to konoha and not a rogue ninja.but he manipulated him like jackass :rofl: if tobi was afraid of itachi he wouldnt accept itachi to join akatsuki and tobi would just order nagato to get rid of him :rofl:



what???????

1. it was in PRE part 1 when tobi and itachi had an untimatum (does that mean itachi>tobi that time?)

on itachi's point of view
(tobi/madara will not attack konoha in exchage itachi will help him take revenge on the uchihas for forsaking him)

2. he didnt want kisame to attack jiraiya? oh comeon :rofl:
kisame was useless and a sitting duck when jiraiya summoned frog stomach
useless and itachi knew that kisame was useless or else he wont used amaterasu after he used tsukuyumi coz its a risk. taking a risky ninjutsu means you dont have anyother choice but to used your jutsu. that means kisame useless
Wait, wait, order him? Nagato clearly thought he was following Yahiko's dream of achieving peace and took charge of Akatsuki, founded by Yahiko. See Nagato was following Yahiko's dream, who was really manipulated by Tobi. So NO. Tobi couldn't order Nagato to do anything because he didn't know Tobi's existence or that he would be a threat.
 

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Bringin up stuff from part 1 is irrelevant. He chose to side tobi and destroy the uchiha because of his beliefs. tobi didnt manipulate itachi , danzo did, and i still belive what itachi did wasa good choice. And i do think he can defeat tobi, like someone earlier stated tsukiomi and izanami could handle tobi. Tobi isn't even an uchiha and Itachi has was more mastery over the sharingan than tobi does. Every tobi fan's answer is S/T jutsu. :confused: Do you really believe Itachi isn't smart enough to come up with a battle plan against that after all the time he's spent with him. c'mon now he's itachi, a genius. especially 3 tomoe tobi, that means no MS techniques, not that he's shown that he has any. 3 tomoe tobi would get trapped in a genjutsu. THen people ask well why didn't itachi fight him before?:confused: :confused:If he tried to fight him he was just goin into MS. which defeats the purpose of this thread
 

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READ!!!!

RIGHT NOW? he said RIGHT NOW!!!!!! he was talking about the situation when he got hit by amaterasu off guard but he was lucky that he had SOME secrets to itachi thats why that traps fail otherwise he would be dead RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Im pretty sure the first one was just a clone. And i guess if itachi killed him before that he wouldnt be dead RIGHT NOW? lol come yo
 

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He can control one summon with sharingan



Jiraiya has Earth style to block hits



The rinnegan actually was able to predict jiraiya's movements because Pain had 6 eyes on himthat form of the rinnegan allows you to do that because of the 6 pairs of eyes , but a normal rinnegan user can't. and you already knew that so why even use that as an argument.
 

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Itachi all day... Itachi was sick n weak, neither tobi or itachi were scare , plus itachis plan was never to fight tobi, it was to die by his brother n pass on his powers,..

To be honest, "mutual understanding" wasn't just needed between Tobi & Itachi, it was all needed between the leader and the rest of the Akatsuki members as a whole to be more effective & dangerous. As far as one can say, Tobi created that organization to make use of it or to better aid him completing his goals and not obviously the other way around.

Anyways on topic, Tobi wasn't or will never be afraid to fight Itachi or any other member of Akatsuki. This has been shown as he was so confident to take on Kabuto even with the presence of the 5 strongest members of Akatsuki in front of him. This of course includes Edo-Itachi, Edo-Nagato, blah.. blah.. & so forth.. The fact that Tobi decided not to pursue on invading Konoha when Itachi was stil alive, doesn't necessarily mean or prove anything that he was intimidated by Itachi's power. There were reasons why he intends not to attack the village because:

1.) It was part of their arrangements, or as long as Itachi performs his tasks as an Akatsuki, their agreements were still honored.
2.) He wanted Itachi to die at Sasuke’s hand so he could manipulate Sasuke on his own way.
3.) Itachi joined Akatsuki in order to keep an eye on the organization. Thus, it could deteriorate most of Tobi's plan because Itachi could provide ample intel's to the rest of the villages about the Akatsuki's doings, goals & purposes, strategy, member's strengths & weaknesses or their jutsu's & capabilities.

Furthermore, Tobi seemed to be one-step ahead against Itachi. He knew the truth about him, the reasons why he wanted to die at Sasuke's hand, his real purpose of joining Akatsuki, & fooled him by letting him believed he was Uchiha Madara. Also, Itachi's plan for Sasuke failed only because of Tobi's intervention.

Hitherto, it was never stated in the manga that Tobi wished to kill or fight Itachi. However, one of Itachi's main goals is to kill Tobi. He even planted amaterasu in to Sasuke's eyes hoping it will eventually kill him.

So my conclusion, pre-rinnegan Tobi > ms Itachi. Itachi even believed that Tobi (a.k.a. Uchiha Madara during that time) was invincible & immortal. If he could actually kill him, he must have accomplished that a long time ago.

OT: People underestimates Tobi’s S/T often times. To every battle we’ve seen him fighting, he never had the intention to kill. His plan is to capture or warp them in to his dimension & perhaps gain control of them through genjutsu as we witnessed what happened to Fu & Torune. Even when he fought Konan, he could not kill him first because he wanted to know Nagato’s whereabouts. Imagine what will happen if he goes for instant kill, he could aim for their heart. Thus, making his S/T a “one-shot jutsu”!
 

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Can itachi KO ANY bijuu with one hit?

Actually, yes he can. Especially if the Bijuu does not know about Amaterasu or Totsuka. Amaterasu > Full formed Bijuu as shown already. Totsuka seals anything it touches. Get the **** outta here.
 
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