I'm sorry but I'm confused at what you had to say. But even then you theory would be off as Naruto is a reincarnation of Ashura, who succeeded because of his friend. Sasuke on the other hand is a reincarnation of indra, who believed in power for peace.
[Discussion] I really agreed with Sasuke this chapter
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MysticLeviathan
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But it's not more realistic at all. What'll happen is people will revolt after they find out Sasuke killed their beloved kage, and they'll never accept him as leader. They'll start to fight him to get him out, and it'll eventually end up wtih another war. The only way for Sasuke to prevent all that is to do a Madara and put them under a genjutsu of sorts.
Naruto's plans are more realistic because he understands that part of being a great leader is being loved and respected by your people, and Sasuke's plans are doing anything but. If Sasuke really wants peace, then basically inciting the people to fight him really isn't accomplishing anything. In fact, what Sasuke's doing would just bring everybody back to where we started before we started the war. Sasuke won't be unifying anyone, Sasuke won't be creating a better world for the people, Sasuke will be doing things his way, ignoring what people think of him and basically ignoring how to be a leader. Sasuke is just so irrational and blind to how the world works, and it's clear he's learned absolutely nothing over the course of the series, and it still the same character he was at the beginning.
With Naruto's plan, he's trying to work with the people and create an environment where they can thrive. The problem with Naruto is he isn't hard enough on criminals, I mean he called a psychopathic serial killer "the coolest", and he doesn't understand that the world will never be rosy and happy and perfect just because he wants it to be that way. But I'd rather have someone like Naruto leading and have others do the dirty work, than have someone like Sasuke where nobody will be happy and the world will be back in its shitty, bloody days.
lol. Sasuke kinda have no intention of leading the people. He want the people to hate him, curse him, work together to fight him. He want to be a long term villain. People won't have time to hate other, when they're busy hating him. That's the point. If you want to hate somebody in the world, hate Sasuke but love everybody else. Sasuke want to be the hate sponge in the world. By all nations and villages will have one common enemy and work together to fight him. That's the only time when people put aside their differences.
MysticLeviathan
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The problem I'm having with Sasuke's plan as a whole is he's going on as if the kages are horrible cruel tyrants who abuse their people and their villages are in a state of despiar because of the kages' shitty leadership, and the entire world needs an overhaul. But the fact is the kage are beloved by their people, the villages as a whole are doing very well, and overall society is running smoothly, though you do get skirmishes and fights every once in a while. So Sasuke wants to go from a society that's running smoothly for the most part, to a totally ****ed up one where the thing that most people care about is getting him out of power. Like how does that make any sense at all? Is Sasuke really that blind to what's going on with the world around him?
I don't get why Sasuke thinks the current system has to go, because it's been perfectly fine imo, and with the whole shinnbi alliance and all, the villages are getting closer and will have a strong relationship for the future. What Ssauke's doing is like if you have a house and the window broke, Sasuke's view is that you should tear down the entire house and rebuild it in order to fix the window, because that window was special and the house will never be the same without that specific window. It's just totally irrational and makes no sense at all. Instead of tearing everything down, why doesn't he try working with the villages and trying to deal with their differences? Why doesn't he try to do things in a less destructive way? He's just so unrealistic.
I don't get why Sasuke thinks the current system has to go, because it's been perfectly fine imo, and with the whole shinnbi alliance and all, the villages are getting closer and will have a strong relationship for the future. What Ssauke's doing is like if you have a house and the window broke, Sasuke's view is that you should tear down the entire house and rebuild it in order to fix the window, because that window was special and the house will never be the same without that specific window. It's just totally irrational and makes no sense at all. Instead of tearing everything down, why doesn't he try working with the villages and trying to deal with their differences? Why doesn't he try to do things in a less destructive way? He's just so unrealistic.
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Since when was he obsessed with power? All he wanted was to achieve peace without going through a process where you have to kill someone in order to achieve your goal. He also wanted the Bijuus to be free just like any other living creatures out there. If this simple sh!t can't be done, then what else?
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I lightweight agree with you. Danzo is out of the picture too. Like this is really a good shot of having true peace. Sasuke is better off by putting together a anti terrorism task force to oversee peace and prevent future problems. But Everybody need that "Sasuke vs Naruto" drug. So Plot-no-jutsu making him look bad to a lot of fans.
MysticLeviathan
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What Sasuke should be doing is taking a similar role to Danzo's in doing his shit in the shadows and keep himself out of the limelight. I'm not advocating Danzo's actions in killing and kidnapping innocents and all that crazy shit, but I do think the lightness/darkness system Konoha had would work really well, assuming hte light can keep the dark in check and the dark can keep the light in check.
Sasuke just shouldn't have a leadership role at all. Personally, I think he should be executed for his actions over the years, but if he does have some sort of role in the village, it should be in the darkness where the average citizen won't have to deal with him.
Of the two, only Naruto is worthy of being a leader, I'm surprised people are debating this.
UzumakiRyu
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Damn thats the best idea, Segregate Sasuke to a Danzo like Role without the killing innocents or w.e the crazy shit he did in order to protect the Leaf while Naruto takes his rightful place as Hokage. +rep.
UzumakiRyu
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Naruto obsessed with power? LOL he has only wanted to become more powerful to protect those he loves but that does not mean if he didn't have the required strength that he would be like Sasuke and run away to Orochimaru to become more powerful lol.
I just realize that jiraiya didn't like the uchiha clan. He call Sasuke "That uchiha kid" with a look on his face when talking to Kakashi. Beside Kakashi was a failed teacher, he was telling Sasuke to forget about the past and be a lapdog and be Naruto's ***** like himself.
Have you even read the manga?
Kakashi was willing to fight Orochimaru to protect Sasuke, someone he was no match for.
Jiraiya out right showed disappointment with Naruto when he learned Naruto used the Rasengan against Sasuke, Jiraiya never showed any hatred for the Uchiha clan, how does calling Sasuke the Uchiha kid equal hatred?
Honestly you are grasping at straws.
You said in your post that Jiraiya didn't like the Uchiha clan based on that he had a look on his face when he spoke of Sasuke.
You claimed that Kakashi wanted Sasuke to be a lapdog when Kakashi treated Sasuke as if he were his own son.
You are denying your own words.
So now you are changing your argument?
Kakashi is one of the most respected ninja in the world and a Hokage candidate, on top of that, it was established that he turned down every group of students before Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura, because they didn't meet his requirements.
That isn't someone who is broken.
And you are still claiming that Jiraiya doesn't like the Uchiha clan based solely on him calling Sasuke the uchiha kid, he has never shown dislike for the Uchiha.
You aren't even presenting proof for your argument.
Just because a Kakashi is the most respected ninja in the world and a Hokage candidate, it doesn't mean that he is not broken. He kept his head down and be a lapdog for the hokage. Didn't even look into the uchiha massacre. Didn't even question the system. He is broken period...well until now since he got a lil happy ending with Obito.
He never showed any liking for the Uchiha clan. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
Sweet Socks
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"But the fact is the kage are beloved by their people, the villages as a whole are doing very well, and overall society is running smoothly, though you do get skirmishes and fights every once in a while."
i don't think there is any real cannon information to back this up, we have seen very little of the social status of anywhere outside of the leaf and even there many things went very wrong.
as far as i am aware, the shinobi village system invovels a seprate population from the countries themslevses. that is for every shinobi village you have two polities, the shinobi village and its kage, and some form of civil government(i believe the monarchs have been mentions and shown a few times though never really expanded upon.) and so we really don't know what people outside the shinobi world are experiencing
the point is that the ninja village system is two fold, that each major country has a shinobi village, and that the shinobi village sustains it self through mercenary activity.
the entire system is especially after the distribution of the tailed beast is one built on conflict and divisions.
the only thing that had ever united the shinobi world is the hatred of obito/madara.
i think if sasuke's idea is to overthrow the who shinobi village system, disbanding the training and education, and separation of shinobi from the rest of the population, it could be a positive thing, but of coarse to truly achieve that he would need his own little army of skilled shinobi and so the things go full circle again.
i don't think there is any real cannon information to back this up, we have seen very little of the social status of anywhere outside of the leaf and even there many things went very wrong.
as far as i am aware, the shinobi village system invovels a seprate population from the countries themslevses. that is for every shinobi village you have two polities, the shinobi village and its kage, and some form of civil government(i believe the monarchs have been mentions and shown a few times though never really expanded upon.) and so we really don't know what people outside the shinobi world are experiencing
the point is that the ninja village system is two fold, that each major country has a shinobi village, and that the shinobi village sustains it self through mercenary activity.
the entire system is especially after the distribution of the tailed beast is one built on conflict and divisions.
the only thing that had ever united the shinobi world is the hatred of obito/madara.
i think if sasuke's idea is to overthrow the who shinobi village system, disbanding the training and education, and separation of shinobi from the rest of the population, it could be a positive thing, but of coarse to truly achieve that he would need his own little army of skilled shinobi and so the things go full circle again.