[Theory] I Know why Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan

[Aze]

Uchiha Berial OP


This caught my eye, as I've been thinking that there's some cool down to this jutsu too just like Shisui's MS genjutsu: Kotoamatsukami, which sans Hashirama cells and used by another such as Itachi has a cool down of 10 years. I presume that Shisui did not have such a lengthy cool down, as it's reasonable to presume that, but it's also speculation on my part. I assume that this is why Tobi was so pissed with Nagato using Rinne Tensei for Naruto instead of Tobi. I don't think it was just the betrayal, as opposed to simply losing to Naruto straight up, I think you're right (It's something I've been thinking as well) that there's some cool down on that jutsu and they needed someone of Nagato's youth to carry the Rinnegan.

Further, that they chose an Uzumaki is even more intriguing because I wonder what it says or can be inferred about the Uzumaki aside from being distant blood relatives of the Senju, their attributes (aside from chakra reserves, longevity, Fuuinjutsu master, etc.) and relation to the Rikudou Sennin.

I read other parts of your theory and found them interesting, so +rep; however, this had been on my mind, and to see someone else put it up while it was currently processing in my mind led me to post, albeit I'm sure that there are plenty of other people who have already concluded this, lol.

Thanks for a long and mature reply

Tobi most likely needed a host for the Rinnegan.

I believe , if Tobi where to use the Rinnegan himself and recharge the Rinne Tensei.

Some one would have seen him using it.

He choose Nagato , for hes extremely strong chakra potential , and most likely you can recharge Rinne Tensei via Uzumaki bloodline , the fastest.

Also , he most likely kept Zetsu near Nagato all the time , to monitor hes progression with the Rinnegan.

So main goals of Tobi about Nagato:

Recharge Rinne Tensei.

Use Nagato to combat or oppose certain individuals or countries.

Use Nagato to capture Naruto(get Kurama)

Use Nagato to act as Akatsuki leader(and give instructions in the shadows)

I have some few more ideas , But like I told...I will depunk this matter

Thanks again for good post^^

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

no love from me this theory blows, based on ?

 

[Aze]

Btw it seems odd for me , that Itachi sealed Nagato in some sense.

 

[-The Agent-]

I'm not buying this theory at all...

:sy:

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

If Tobi is Izuna, why doesn't anyone call him that way? Zetsu? Kabuto? Sasuke after getting info on Tobi from zetsu?

If Zetsu is a Madara creation why would he know who Izuna is personally? If not then he is not that old so why would he know Izuna? Why the **** would Kabuto know Izuna - totally different ages and eras. Sasuke? Are you ****ing kidding me? You must be because he didn't know who Madara was at first.

I am of the opinion that Tobi is Izuna and this is finally a theory that sums it up nicely and really seems true IMO. It's weird that more people don't agree, I go on other theories like Tobi is Fugaku or Tobi is Shisui and all people say are Nice! and +rep and it pisses me the **** off cuz I'm sitting back and I can't believe it and I'm just going "what?!?!". So I agree with you Chi and I'm surprised more people do not and that they are saying the theories which make the most sense, like this one, are "bullshit" and "just your opinion" and other things.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

here it makes sense though

 

[kotoamatsukami]

if ur saying izuna is tobi im sure izuna would follow madara plans

 

[NarutoKage2]

And i thought i knew why Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan lol. I made a Gedo Mazo thread, and the OP Chi No Kage i think also posted in it and agreed with it back then. It was similar to the 2nd option included in this thread, the connection with Nagato and how it might have been possible that being an Uzumaki helped him to unlock the Gedo Mazo statue, and that might have been the reason for Tobi giving Nagato the rinnegan.

About Tobi being Izuna, i'm afraid that's pretty much impossible now. Madara has said 'After my brother died, all he left me were his eyes'.
ALL he left me, as in Izuna did'nt have any legacy aside from providing Madara with his EMS. Also, if Izuna were Tobi, he obviously has done more than just having given his brother his eyes, and Madara would never have said that about him.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

About Tobi being Izuna, i'm afraid that's pretty much impossible now. Madara has said 'After my brother died, all he left me were his eyes'.
ALL he left me, as in Izuna did'nt have any legacy aside from providing Madara with his EMS. Also, if Izuna were Tobi, he obviously has done more than just having given his brother his eyes, and Madara would never have said that about him.

Try to understand this, "At the time of my brothers death, all he left me were his eyes..." What about AFTER that and AFTER he was revived? See Kishi doesn't actually rule out this possibility with that statement.

 

[Black Adam]

but why wouldn't Tobi have MS if he was Izuna that doesn't make sense, since Izuna unlocked it before his death why have two Sharingans that don't have MS explain that please and by all means take your time...

 

[Aze]

but why wouldn't Tobi have MS if he was Izuna that doesn't make sense, since Izuna unlocked it before his death why have two Sharingans that don't have MS explain that please and by all means take your time...

Izuna thing dont hold water for me anymore , but just because of recent episodes , where we see him dead , doesnt mean hes dead IMO.

it has to do something with Zetsu , and Izuna could have faked hes death.

I'm not sure , I need some more info from Kishi-sama.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

but why wouldn't Tobi have MS if he was Izuna that doesn't make sense, since Izuna unlocked it before his death why have two Sharingans that don't have MS explain that please and by all means take your time...

We know Izuna lost his original eyes... to Madara, it is possible Madara didn't keep his old eyes thinking they wouldn't be needed (before Rinne Tensei was discovered). If Tobi is Izuna it is possible he just has new Sharingan and with his Izuna chakra hax he developed his S/T.

Or simple answer, he does and it hasn't been revealed yet.

 

[Honord Sage]

well I know why he gave it to Nagato.

Spoiler

Madara awakened Rinnegan intentionaly.

He learned from the stone tablet how to achieve this.

You need to place an incredible stress on the EMS eyes , to obtain it.

The whole purpose of geting the Rinnegan was to revive Izuna.

The only way how to achieve this was to fight the Hashirama Senju...the strongest of them all..

He fought Hashirama = faked hes death , awakened the rinnegan = Thus reviving Izuna.

He gave Izuna the Rinnegan , He told Izuna , that he needs to find a young child with huge amounts of chakra=Reason for that.

Also , Madara used somekind of jutsu too give all hes knownledge to Izuna , that's the reason why Tobi knows so much about it all.

Reason is , that Rinne Tensei takes 20+ years to recharge until it's useable again.

That's why he needed Nagato ...to use Rinne Tensei on Madara again.

makes sense?

Here is another one.

Spoiler

we could assume , that Tobi is an eye specialist ,

Tobi had Madaras Rinnegan in hes posession(by unknown means).

Tobi and Madara seem to know eachother.

Tobi and Madara have the same goal.(Moon Eye Plan)

Tobi was uncapable of using the Rinnegan himself(dont know why)

Tobi needed a host , who can be easily manipulated , used as a pawn so to speak.

Tobi knew , that Uzumakis chakra was special.

So he used Nagato.

and he needed Nagato to use Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei in hes favor (both of these techs shorten the lifespan of the user)

Uzumakis have long long life span=reliable Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei.

So Uzumakis would be a perfect choice for the Rinnegan.

So Gedo Mazo = Moon Eye Plan

and Rinne Tensei = was ment to revive Madara

Sorry but Tobi had nothing to do with Nagato, Madara was the one who started it all, Tobi only took over what Madara started before His death, Madara's plan was to have Nagato bring Him back to life, but Tobi did not want to be second Banana again so He nix the plan.

 

[Aze]

@ Honord Sage , good point actualy.

But I think Tobi wont be brave enough too challange Madaras authority.

 

[bigblunts420]

great minds think alike. i just posted this yesterday see what you think, maybe there are details of mine that you can add to yours? the gedo/jubi part was just speculation

Spoiler

oh sh*t i think i finally found out madara's plan when he achieved rinnegan he read the full story of so6p, the brothers, sharinngan/rinnegan, but more importantly the jubi and how it can be accessed by a strong rinnegan user hense the plan with implanting the rinnegan in a uzumaki child (nagato) and have someone control his hatred (tobi). so that that child would grow up revive the shell of the jubi slowly collect all the bijuu and revive madara witch we can assume it would have killed nagato to revive madara. and then madara compleats him self with tobi and jubi. the point is he wasnt strong engho at his old age to summoning the shell of the jubi (gedo maza) or to steal bijuu's power so he made tobi and entursted his eyes to a young uzumaki kid and entrusted tobi to guide him into doing what he wants.

EDIT: detail on why a uzumaki is needed, he needed nagato uzumaki because to revive the gedo maza what ever it might be it takes tons of chakra and more importantly life force thats why after the nagato vs hanzo (when he revived the gedo) he looked so old and really weak (only looked).

dont flame this could be a spoiler!1?11?!

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[Aze]

great minds think alike. i just posted this yesterday see what you think, maybe there are details of mine that you can add to yours? the gedo/jubi part was just speculation

Spoiler

oh sh*t i think i finally found out madara's plan when he achieved rinnegan he read the full story of so6p, the brothers, sharinngan/rinnegan, but more importantly the jubi and how it can be accessed by a strong rinnegan user hense the plan with implanting the rinnegan in a uzumaki child (nagato) and have someone control his hatred (tobi). so that that child would grow up revive the shell of the jubi slowly collect all the bijuu and revive madara witch we can assume it would have killed nagato to revive madara. and then madara compleats him self with tobi and jubi. the point is he wasnt strong engho at his old age to summoning the shell of the jubi (gedo maza) or to steal bijuu's power so he made tobi and entursted his eyes to a young uzumaki kid and entrusted tobi to guide him into doing what he wants.

EDIT: detail on why a uzumaki is needed, he needed nagato uzumaki because to revive the gedo maza what ever it might be it takes tons of chakra and more importantly life force thats why after the nagato vs hanzo (when he revived the gedo) he looked so old and really weak (only looked).

dont flame this could be a spoiler!1?11?!

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Thanks for share

 

[Narutang 420 Sage]

well I know why he gave it to Nagato.

Spoiler

Madara awakened Rinnegan intentionaly.

He learned from the stone tablet how to achieve this.

You need to place an incredible stress on the EMS eyes , to obtain it.

The whole purpose of geting the Rinnegan was to revive Izuna.

The only way how to achieve this was to fight the Hashirama Senju...the strongest of them all..

He fought Hashirama = faked hes death , awakened the rinnegan = Thus reviving Izuna.

He gave Izuna the Rinnegan , He told Izuna , that he needs to find a young child with huge amounts of chakra=Reason for that.

Also , Madara used somekind of jutsu too give all hes knownledge to Izuna , that's the reason why Tobi knows so much about it all.

Reason is , that Rinne Tensei takes 20+ years to recharge until it's useable again.

That's why he needed Nagato ...to use Rinne Tensei on Madara again.

makes sense?

Here is another one.

Spoiler

we could assume , that Tobi is an eye specialist ,

Tobi had Madaras Rinnegan in hes posession(by unknown means).

Tobi and Madara seem to know eachother.

Tobi and Madara have the same goal.(Moon Eye Plan)

Tobi was uncapable of using the Rinnegan himself(dont know why)

Tobi needed a host , who can be easily manipulated , used as a pawn so to speak.

Tobi knew , that Uzumakis chakra was special.

So he used Nagato.

and he needed Nagato to use Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei in hes favor (both of these techs shorten the lifespan of the user)

Uzumakis have long long life span=reliable Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei.

So Uzumakis would be a perfect choice for the Rinnegan.

So Gedo Mazo = Moon Eye Plan

and Rinne Tensei = was ment to revive Madara

i had been thinking this same thing but figured someone had already posted the thought and here i've found it.... great minds think alike +rep

 

[TobisPawn]

I doubt Tobi is Izuna.

 

[naruto s06p beastmode]

very well said theory

 

[chops]

well I know why he gave it to Nagato.

Spoiler

Madara awakened Rinnegan intentionaly.

He learned from the stone tablet how to achieve this.

You need to place an incredible stress on the EMS eyes , to obtain it.

The whole purpose of geting the Rinnegan was to revive Izuna.

The only way how to achieve this was to fight the Hashirama Senju...the strongest of them all..

He fought Hashirama = faked hes death , awakened the rinnegan = Thus reviving Izuna.

He gave Izuna the Rinnegan , He told Izuna , that he needs to find a young child with huge amounts of chakra=Reason for that.

Also , Madara used somekind of jutsu too give all hes knownledge to Izuna , that's the reason why Tobi knows so much about it all.

Reason is , that Rinne Tensei takes 20+ years to recharge until it's useable again.

That's why he needed Nagato ...to use Rinne Tensei on Madara again.

makes sense?

Here is another one.

Spoiler

we could assume , that Tobi is an eye specialist ,

Tobi had Madaras Rinnegan in hes posession(by unknown means).

Tobi and Madara seem to know eachother.

Tobi and Madara have the same goal.(Moon Eye Plan)

Tobi was uncapable of using the Rinnegan himself(dont know why)

Tobi needed a host , who can be easily manipulated , used as a pawn so to speak.

Tobi knew , that Uzumakis chakra was special.

So he used Nagato.

and he needed Nagato to use Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei in hes favor (both of these techs shorten the lifespan of the user)

Uzumakis have long long life span=reliable Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei.

So Uzumakis would be a perfect choice for the Rinnegan.

So Gedo Mazo = Moon Eye Plan

and Rinne Tensei = was ment to revive Madara

I like this theory.
Very good.