[Discussion] I hope Oda never pulls Child of Prophecy/Incarnation of Ashura bs with Luffy ever

[Dannie]

Let me find out Gold Roger is coming back to earth to tell Luffy where the One Piece is. :kd:

 

[Dannie]

Always found it funny how people always compare Naruto with Luffy but they fail to realize they are very very different characters.

Because they know that Naruto and the series is mediocre so they have to bag on One Piece to make themselves feel better. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[loj]

Let me find out Gold Roger is coming back to earth to tell Luffy where the One Piece is. :kd:

No need they already have some info on it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Because they know that Naruto and the series is mediocre so they have to bag on One Piece to make themselves feel better. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

desperate hehe

 

[Lord Tywin]

@Riker:
Naruto defeated Kiba in the prelims without any help
Hebi Sasuke defeated sick Orochimaru without any help
Gaara defeated Lee without any help.

I can name more, but I have to search.

And your Gai example is just ridiculous since everyone in the NV has been saved at least once but it's not like everyone is being saved by supernatural entities with god gifting powers.


But here's the thing though. Luffy trains extra hard for his powers. He doesn't have some beasts living in him saving him from desperate situations nor is he from some strong clan. We don't know what the will of D is, so we can't assume that all Will's of D has some special power. Besides, everyone who is will of D does not even know what that means so it's not like it means anything to Luffy nor can he use his "will of D" in a fight.

I'm not saying that Luffy didn't receive help, but it's not like Luffy got OP powers from ghosts and started whooping everyones ass in Marineford. If you can name me something that comes close to Hagoromo gifting Naruto RSM to fight Madara and Kaguya in OP then you would have a point.

Hold on I read the post I quoted you wrong

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Inagree though that luffy has had has had things going for him too. His family known family are known big shots. Garp said he inherited conquered haki. He got out of multiple life ending scenarios based on his connection to his family. His fight with aokiji. Getting out of impel down. Surviving Magellan. Whitebeard protecting him. Kuma saving him. Training with rayleigh. Jinbe. Surviving Crocodile because of luck. Etc...

Its just ignorant to say Naruto had everything sorted out for him. Kyuubi was in him yet he made friend out of him. Kyuubi had other Jins yet they didn't even get close to what Naruto became. I agree Naruto had handouts, but he still went the majority of the manga by his own efforts. It's just ignorant to overlook everything Naruto has done.

 

[arv993]

Hold on I read the post I quoted you wrong

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Inagree though that luffy has had has had things going for him too. His family known family are known big shots. Garp said he inherited conquered haki. He got out of multiple life ending scenarios based on his connection to his family. His fight with aokiji. Getting out of impel down. Surviving Magellan. Whitebeard protecting him. Kuma saving him. Training with rayleigh. Jinbe. Surviving Crocodile because of luck. Etc...

Its just ignorant to say Naruto had everything sorted out for him. Kyuubi was in him yet he made friend out of him. Kyuubi had other Jins yet they didn't even get close to what Naruto became. I agree Naruto had handouts, but he still went the majority of the manga by his own efforts. It's just ignorant to overlook everything Naruto has done.

This is hilarious genes in OP don't matter nearly as much as it does in naruto. He had such a large chakra pool that only few other characters can rival. luffys conquerors haki is not nearly that level of a game changer for most of the series thus far. Luffy has one of the worst Dfs on top of that and his base strength is much much weaker than his grandpa he doesn't seem to gain any genetic advantages there.

Naruto defenders need to know that Kishi completely cheapened the series with ashura and Indra nonsense, op is a much better story in the way it's constructed and though all shonen have plot armor, naruto towards the end went on fairy tail spree in terms of random power ups while luffy right now struggles to keep up with yonko commanders

Because they know that Naruto and the series is mediocre so they have to bag on One Piece to make themselves feel better. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lmao not only that he should come and give special powers in the final war so luffy can win, that's what happened in naruto.

 

[loj]

Hold on I read the post I quoted you wrong

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Inagree though that luffy has had has had things going for him too. His family known family are known big shots. Garp said he inherited conquered haki. He got out of multiple life ending scenarios based on his connection to his family. His fight with aokiji. Getting out of impel down. Surviving Magellan. Whitebeard protecting him. Kuma saving him. Training with rayleigh. Jinbe. Surviving Crocodile because of luck. Etc...

Its just ignorant to say Naruto had everything sorted out for him. Kyuubi was in him yet he made friend out of him. Kyuubi had other Jins yet they didn't even get close to what Naruto became. I agree Naruto had handouts, but he still went the majority of the manga by his own efforts. It's just ignorant to overlook everything Naruto has done.

You don't realize Naruto had hax within him...literally the strongest beast out of all 9.Naah that's pretty decent compared to gomu gomu no mi which is no way near top tear fruits yet Luffy worked so hard just to get the best out of it.

Naruto with that Ashura nonsense is a shitty char compared to Luffy.I don't think genes actually matter on kings haki since no one had kings haki in his family as far as we know.

What you on about Naruto literally befriended whole ninja world just to fight Madara & Co. that argument is just not good enough in this discussion...these things happen in manga,connections and things nothing unusual there...

If you compare how Luffy worked and how Naruto worked I mean even you would realize that real worker here is Luffy not Naruto...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hebi Sasuke defeated sick Orochimaru without any help

Curse Mark.

Gaara defeated Lee without any help.

Wew lad this a double edged sword that stabs you with both ends. Gaara's sand manipulation comes from one of two sources:

1. The Shukaku, which is the EXACT SAME concept you discredit Naruto with when you mention Kurama

2. Magnetism Release, which he inherited from his father, the EXACT SAME concept you use to discredit Naruto when you mention Kushina and his Uzumaki genes.

And your Gai example is just ridiculous since everyone in the NV has been saved at least once but it's not like everyone is being saved by supernatural entities with god gifting powers.

Being saved is being saved, no matter whatever bullshit rationale you vainly use to try and differentiate the two.

But here's the thing though. Luffy trains extra hard for his powers. He doesn't have some beasts living in him saving him from desperate situations nor is he from some strong clan.

You dismiss Naruto's hard work because he's had Kurama help him. Therefore, we should ignore Luffy's hard work because:

1. Alabasta residents gave him a tank of water, which is the only reason he survived his second fight with Crocodile

2. Because Jinbei, Whitebeard, Ace, Crocodile Marco, Vista, and Ivankov protected him at Marineford

3. Because Nami made Cracker's biscuits wet so he could contend with him

4. Because dozens of colloseum fighters kept him alive after he passed out from Gear 4th, and Law had to weaken Doflamingo before their final bout

5. Because Nami carried him back up to Enel after Enel outsmarted him and defeated him by throwing him from the Arc Maxim.

6. Because Jinbei saved his life by donating blood for him in Fishman Island.

Luffy got OP powers from ghosts and started whooping everyones ass in Marineford.

Literally happened at the end AFTER Naruto achieved his abilities through work.

That's literally impossible since no one in NV has won all their fights on their own, but that's beside the point and don't help you at all.

Except it does. Everyone is saying that Naruto's hard work is negated by the fact that Kurama saved his life a few times, which is privilege. The fact that no one in the NV have survived solely on their own hard work refutes that garbage argument.

 

[Dannie]

Why are you comparing Gaara's sand(inanimate object that he controls with his own chakra) with Kurama an external other power source?

Even without Shukaku, Gaara can still control sand.

Again, ridiculous.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why are you comparing Gaara's sand(inanimate object that he controls with his own chakra) with Kurama an external other power source?

Because, at the time in your example, it was Shukaku's power.

Even without Shukaku, Gaara can still control sand.

As a result of the genes he got from his father. Funny how Naruto's genes from Uzumaka discredits him, but Gaara's genes from his father don't. Go back to posting emotes with the rest of the clowns in premmy chat, this ain't your type of thing.

 

[Dannie]

Because, at the time in your example, it was Shukaku's power.

Shukaku didn't start interfering with Gaara only until his fight with Sasuke in the forest when the beast took over. During his fight with Lee, it was Gaara who was controlling his sand.

As a result of the genes he got from his father.

What does Gaara's genes have to do with Naruto being saved with Kurama? You can't defend the fact that Naruto has been saved multiple times by Kurama so you try to bring in other characters that has been saved as if that will help your argument, lmao.

Funny how Naruto's genes from Uzumaka discredits him, but Gaara's genes from his father don't.

Naruto has been saved the most in the entire manga. Of course I'm going to discredit him when people act as if this guy "worked" for everything he did when he had a clear cut path the entire way.

Go back to posting emotes with the rest of the clowns in premmy chat, this ain't your type of thing.

Oh that's funny when people lose their premium then they want to talk shit about the premium section.

Fact is, your argument is shit and you haven't been paying attention to the Naruto series.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You don't realize Naruto had hax within him...literally the strongest beast out of all 9.Naah that's pretty decent compared to gomu gomu no mi which is no way near top tear fruits yet Luffy worked so hard just to get the best out of it.

Hashirama's wife had kyuubi in her. She didn't become shit. Kushina had kyuubi in her, she didn't become shit. Not to mention Kushina's chakra>>>Naruro's. So you have no point here. Read below for the rest

Naruto with that Ashura nonsense is a shitty char compared to Luffy.I don't think genes actually matter on kings haki since no one had kings haki in his family as far as we know.

Garp said he inherited his conquerer haki.

What you on about Naruto literally befriended whole ninja world just to fight Madara & Co. that argument is just not good enough in this discussion...these things happen in manga,connections and things nothing unusual there...

except Naruto had few people backing him, while luffy has new people arc after arc. But you're right though both have had it like that.

If you compare how Luffy worked and how Naruto worked I mean even you would realize that real worker here is Luffy not Naruto...

Only if you're that blind to not think of Naruto as a hardworker

 

[Punk Hazard]

Shukaku didn't start interfering with Gaara only until his fight with Sasuke in the forest when the beast took over. During his fight with Lee, it was Gaara who was controlling his sand.

His ability to control the sand was coming from Shukaka fam. It wasn't magnet release until afterwards.

What does Gaara's genes have to do with Naruto being saved with Kurama?

Gaara's genes(Magnetism) correlate to Naruto's genes(Uzumaki), which is an argument many, including yourself, tried to bring use. Keep up, Daniel.

You can't defend the fact that Naruto has been saved multiple times by Kurama so you try to bring in other characters that has been saved as if that will help your argument, lmao.

Yes, because when it happens to everyone, it's not privilege.

Naruto has been saved the most in the entire manga. Of course I'm going to discredit him when people act as if this guy "worked" for everything he did when he had a clear cut path the entire way.

Kurama saved him when attempting to summon Kirabi, when fighting Pein, and when fighting Sasuke. Three instances. Compare that to Sasuke being saved multiple times in one fight. Compare that to Might Guy being saved on at least three separate occasions, the guy you called the true hard worker.

Oh that's funny when people lose their premium then they want to talk shit about the premium section.

I talked shit about y'all in the premium section, so what are you talking about?

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't even know why this is being argued to such a degree. No shit Naruto is a hard worker. That obviously can't be denied, but the kid was gifted with everything. He had advantages over every other character in the show from the get go. If he worked hard enough he would surpass anyone who worked even harder than him. Not rocket science here.

 

[Dannie]

You know you run out of ideas the moment you start saying Gaara using his own chakra to control sand is the same as Naruto begging Kurama for chakra.

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[loj]

Hashirama's wife had kyuubi in her. She didn't become shit. Kushina had kyuubi in her, she didn't become shit. Not to mention Kushina's chakra>>>Naruro's. So you have no point here. Read below for the rest

Garp said he inherited his conquerer haki.


except Naruto had few people backing him, while luffy has new people arc after arc. But you're right though both have had it like that.

Only if you're that blind to not think of Naruto as a hardworker

LOL at Kushina and Hashi wife as example...if they were good Naruto fuking would't happen.It's plot not hardworking...funny enough Kushina helped Naruto to get Kurama under his control...

No only 1 in several MILLION have this haki which make's it unreal that you can inherit it...doesn't matter what Garp said since no one in his family had it as far as we know.You can't get it from training,you either have it or not.

And yes Naruto which got his most powers gifted is no hardworker compared to Luffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

LOL at Kushina and Hashi wife as example...if they were good Naruto fuking would't happen.It's plot not hardworking...funny enough Kushina helped Naruto to get Kurama under his control...

No only 1 in several MILLION have this haki which make's it unreal that you can inherit it...doesn't matter what Garp said since no one in his family had it as far as we know.You can't get it from training,you either have it or not.

And yes Naruto which got his most powers gifted is no hardworker compared to Luffy.

This is the sorriest damn excuse. By this logic, it's just plot that Luffy has gotten this far because one of the Yonko or Shichibukai or the WG should have found One Piece. C'mon now.

Nope, Garp explicitly said he inherited it, and Ivankov said "He's definitely your son, Dragon," when he saw Luffy use Haoshoku, which is more than enough to realize that at the very least, Dragon had it and Luffy inherited it.

You know you run out of ideas the moment you start saying Gaara using his own chakra to control sand is the same as Naruto begging Kurama for chakra.

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Shukaku was the only reason Gaara could control the sand as a child.

If you want to argue it was Magnet Release, then he got that from his father. Either way, he's in the same boat as Naruto.

 

[loj]

This is the sorriest damn excuse. By this logic, it's just plot that Luffy has gotten this far because one of the Yonko or Shichibukai or the WG should have found One Piece. C'mon now.

Nope, Garp explicitly said he inherited it, and Ivankov said "He's definitely your son, Dragon," when he saw Luffy use Haoshoku, which is more than enough to realize that at the very least, Dragon had it and Luffy inherited it.

No...if Kushina had Kyubi under her control plot wouldn't happen funny enough same Kushina helped Naruto to get Kyubi under control...great hardwork...

He is definitely your son...as in...he is bloody reckless as his father is...as in...oh boy that kid is trouble...

 

[Jᴀʏ]

The ends justify the means who cares how you get your power? As long as you have power.

 

[ToshiZO]

The ends justify the means who cares how you get your power? As long as you have power.

Yea if you want your story to be a pile of shit.

 

[loj]

Come on Riker if you are now saying me Naruto worked hard as Luffy did...then you need to re-read both manga...