Re: i have just figured out what "that" jutsu is. it is the death reaper seal jutsu
Im not ruling out the possibility that it could be the shinigami jutsu, but i guess you dont have enough evidence...seems more like a hunch. the story hasnt given us enough info to even consider that its that jutsu.
Re: i have just figured out what "that" jutsu is. it is the death reaper seal jutsu
I also think I can't rule out the reaper dead seal, though it may be plausible. If you say that the tech is imperfect since it kills the user, then on the other hand that's just exactly why the tech is a kinjutsu to begin with. Logically speaking, this is more like another kinjutsu such as the Izanagi, only this one costs a person's sharingan.
Also, it's said that "that jutsu" has something to do with the kyuubi. Does a bijuu have a soul? As far as I know, they're chakra monsters. It is said that the dead demon consuming seal also seals away a user's soul and not chakra, so he may possibly not able to use the kyuubi's or parts of it.
I think we just have to wait and see what exactly is this tech that sounds ominous.
I also think I can't rule out the reaper dead seal, though it may be plausible. If you say that the tech is imperfect since it kills the user, then on the other hand that's just exactly why the tech is a kinjutsu to begin with. Logically speaking, this is more like another kinjutsu such as the Izanagi, only this one costs a person's sharingan.
Also, it's said that "that jutsu" has something to do with the kyuubi. Does a bijuu have a soul? As far as I know, they're chakra monsters. It is said that the dead demon consuming seal also seals away a user's soul and not chakra, so he may possibly not able to use the kyuubi's or parts of it.
I think we just have to wait and see what exactly is this tech that sounds ominous.
and if my theory is correct in the further future then..you must all apologize for your insolent behavior. i am 1oo% sure that will not/cannot be the forth space time jutsu. if that were so.lets say it is the 4th space time jutsu then that will damage the forth reputation even the 3rd ape (his summon creature)said it in chapter 122 on page 9 to 15
Im not ruling out the possibility that it could be the shinigami jutsu, but i guess you dont have enough evidence...seems more like a hunch. the story hasnt given us enough info to even consider that its that jutsu.
soo far in the manga chapters and naruto episodes only 1 jutsu was referred to as "that jutsu" and that was the reaper seal jutsu(in manga chapter 122 page 9 and up). if im wrong on this then correct me and if im right then you must believe but im certain, I've check all manga chapters and episodes, that there was only one time a jutsu was called "that jutsu" and its in the manga chapter listed above.
and if my theory is correct in the further future then..you must all apologize for your insolent behavior. i am 1oo% sure that will not/cannot be the forth space time jutsu. if that were so.lets say it is the 4th space time jutsu then that will damage the forth reputation even the 3rd ape (his summon creature)said it in chapter 122 on page 9 to 15
I didn't suggest it was FTG lolol. I was actually assuming it's some kind of a kinjutsu (on another thread though) as well, though I'm not hinting that it is, in fact, the death reaper seal. I'm considering all other possibilities, coz it may have been something astonishing, and may not be something that everybody's been overruling and speculating. That's why we just hafta wait and see.
This is my reply to you saying that the death reaper seal is actually imperfect, where in fact, it may have nothing to do with the "imperfection" just because it costs a life. Izanagi is also a kinjutsu which costs an eye (sharingan), and it wasn't really underscored that it's imperfect. Sometimes, things are simply just the way it is.
I didn't suggest it was FTG lolol. I was actually assuming it's some kind of a kinjutsu (on another thread though) as well, though I'm not hinting that it is, in fact, the death reaper seal. I'm considering all other possibilities, coz it may have been something astonishing, and may not be something that everybody's been overruling and speculating. That's why we just hafta wait and see.
This is my reply to you saying that the death reaper seal is actually imperfect, where in fact, it may have nothing to do with the "imperfection" just because it costs a life. Izanagi is also a kinjutsu which costs an eye (sharingan), and it wasn't really underscored that it's imperfect. Sometimes, things are simply just the way it is.
well..that even gives me more proof to way the frog said to naruto"this is your way to perfect that jutsu". why cause it was imperfect as u said above and by making it imperfect i can assume that it is a imperfect jutsu that can only be perfected by naruto. an excellent example will be the rasengan. wasn't it imperfect then naruto perfected it.......correct? even danzo knew how izanagi worked and he too tried to perfect an imperfect jutsu by implanting more sharingan eyes into his body and sometimes things can be IMPROVE.
well..that even gives me more proof to way the frog said to naruto"this is your way to perfect that jutsu". why cause it was imperfect as u said above and by making it imperfect i can assume that it is a imperfect jutsu that can only be perfected by naruto. an excellent example will be the rasengan. wasn't it imperfect then naruto perfected it.......correct? even danzo knew how izanagi worked and he too tried to perfect an imperfect jutsu by implanting more sharingan eyes into his body and sometimes things can be IMPROVE.
Then, how would you think he could make use of the kyuubi to perfect the death reaper seal?
Anyhow, I don't think Danzo actually "perfected" it. Yes, he actually quite "improved" the tech though. When we say "perfect", it is something sans the defects or drawbacks, and we saw that the implanted sharingan eyes were still blinded albeit in a delayed time.
Then, how would you think he could make use of the kyuubi to perfect the death reaper seal?
Anyhow, I don't think Danzo actually "perfected" it. Yes, he actually quite "improved" the tech though. When we say "perfect", it is something sans the defects or drawbacks, and we saw that the implanted sharingan eyes were still blinded albeit in a delayed time.
why are you always trying to find a loop hole and exploit it.....why? and i didnt say naruto needs the kyuubi to perfect the death seal but it could be possible. ... the user of that jutsu has to die (considering that there is only one soul) but with the soul of the kyuubi inside him the result of using "that jutsu" may change. give it a thought why the fourth only seal half the fox's chakra, why did he even sealed it in his won son, why does he wants naruto to perfect a jutsu that not even him and the 3rd could do...why? so far no power can defeat madara(only physical attacks though)genjutsu might work but it wont touch him since he cam make himself intangible (genjutsu only confuse the opponent in his/her head leaving them vulnerable for physical attacks and that wont work)soo the only way to kill such a man is to..i dont know just maybe , TO DRAW OUT HIS SOUL . minato referred to as the 4th said that the only way for you to beat a powerful/immortal(cant be immortal without a soul) ninja like madara uchiha is to have/use a SPECIAL JUTSU...manga chapter 440..i think when naruto was fighting pain. if its not 440 then check around when naruto was speaking to his father
Re: i have just figured out what "that" jutsu is. it is the death reaper seal jutsu
i think "that jutsu" might have some connection with the mastering of the nine-tails chakra...because don't you remember pervy sage talking to that frog (who had the third key i think it was) about storing himself inside naruto
Re: i have just figured out what "that" jutsu is. it is the death reaper seal jutsu
this is pretty weak tbh...
from "that jutsu" on one page of manga later on than when u specified you got death seal... i'm pretty sure if you know their secret weapon you'd call it "that jutsu"
oh no itachi's going to use amaterasu... oh no itachi's going to use "that jutsu"
it doesn't give any sort of real solid proof...
you coulda at least said, that's the reason both sasuke and naruto will die together,,, or... he'd use the kyuubi as sacrifice for the death god instead of himself >_>
quick lesson...
"that jutsu"
why do you think he called it that jutsu? it's caled suspense building... the writer does it to not give away what's going to happen next.
it's obvious the characters know what's going to happen... but we don't... so they just refer to it as that instead of using it's name or whatever...
this is pretty weak tbh...
from "that jutsu" on one page of manga later on than when u specified you got death seal... i'm pretty sure if you know their secret weapon you'd call it "that jutsu"
oh no itachi's going to use amaterasu... oh no itachi's going to use "that jutsu"
it doesn't give any sort of real solid proof...
you coulda at least said, that's the reason both sasuke and naruto will die together,,, or... he'd use the kyuubi as sacrifice for the death god instead of himself >_>
quick lesson...
"that jutsu"
why do you think he called it that jutsu? it's caled suspense building... the writer does it to not give away what's going to happen next.
it's obvious the characters know what's going to happen... but we don't... so they just refer to it as that instead of using it's name or whatever...
amaretsu was well known only the 3rd and the fourth knew about"that jutsu" so that makes it very very very rare for it to be known as "that jutsu'.so no matter how hard you try to find a loop hole im my thread and proof of my opinions that is the ONLY jutsu that links to the fox's seal and also linked to the 4th. if there is another jutsu then correct me and i repeat the fox's seal and the 4th
why are you always trying to find a loop hole and exploit it.....why? and i didnt say naruto needs the kyuubi to perfect the death seal but it could be possible. ... the user of that jutsu has to die (considering that there is only one soul) but with the soul of the kyuubi inside him the result of using "that jutsu" may change. give it a thought why the fourth only seal half the fox's chakra, why did he even sealed it in his won son, why does he wants naruto to perfect a jutsu that not even him and the 3rd could do...why? so far no power can defeat madara(only physical attacks though)genjutsu might work but it wont touch him since he cam make himself intangible (genjutsu only confuse the opponent in his/her head leaving them vulnerable for physical attacks and that wont work)soo the only way to kill such a man is to..i dont know just maybe , TO DRAW OUT HIS SOUL . minato referred to as the 4th said that the only way for you to beat a powerful/immortal(cant be immortal without a soul) ninja like madara uchiha is to have/use a SPECIAL JUTSU...manga chapter 440..i think when naruto was fighting pain. if its not 440 then check around when naruto was speaking to his father
Lolol, I'm not heckling or trolling you. I'm just making you convince me more coz you really sound soo conclusive about this. =p
Anyway, blame the frog for the question: xd
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There said that the kyuubi is the final step to completing the jutsu that Jiraiya spoke of. If I remember it right, it was Jiraiya who made use of such reference as "that jutsu".
Bijuus are vaguely defined as chakra monster. They may and may not have souls. But saying that they're just merely chakra monsters or spiritual being, it may not also mean that they have soul like that of humans. If Naruto is gonna make use of the kyuubi, it would prove the present definition wrong. Otherwise, it may be plausible that there could be a "change" or "shift" or rather "improvement" in the tech, which will clearly debunk the present difenition of the death reaper seal (which is to seal the user's SOUL). Otoh, if bijuus actually have souls, then there's a higher plausibility for a "change" or "shift".
Onto the "Special jutsu" that Minato spoke of:
It may or may not be the death reaper seal. As for as these so-called immortals are concerned, they appear as such via different reasons: kakuzu's one because of his religion, oro because of his experiments and madara prolly because of the EMS (though it's weird that he isn't mentioned as an immortal in Naruto Wiki). Then, there are others who were revived using the impure world resurrection. In case of Kakuzu, he was incapacitated when he was blasted into pieces and his head got separated and buried in the ground. In case of Oro, he was sealed because using the totsuka sword, but this may be impossible for Naruto since it's in Itachi's Susanoo protection (unless it could be some Itachi's gift which we don't really know yet). As for Oro's arms and the resurrected hokages, it was indeed the death reaper seal.
Though I'm not actually digressing to the idea that Madara can be sealed by the death reaper seal (it is IDEAL), he could may fall into the Kakuzu category who's blasted into pieces. It may be far-fetched because of his space-time jutsu, but it doesn't mean it's totally impossible to do so.
amaretsu was well known only the 3rd and the fourth knew about"that jutsu" so that makes it very very very rare for it to be known as "that jutsu'.so no matter how hard you try to find a loop hole im my thread and proof of my opinions that is the ONLY jutsu that links to the fox's seal and also linked to the 4th. if there is another jutsu then correct me and i repeat the fox's seal and the 4th
...another option may have something to do with an ultimate rasengan which Naruto needs a kyuubi to formulate it. It may have been a kinjutsu for some reason. Yet, I'm not conclusive about this, but it's a plausible speculation since the basic rasengan has some connection to Minato and Jiraiya.
i think "that jutsu" might have some connection with the mastering of the nine-tails chakra...because don't you remember pervy sage talking to that frog (who had the third key i think it was) about storing himself inside naruto
amaretsu was well known only the 3rd and the fourth knew about"that jutsu" so that makes it very very very rare for it to be known as "that jutsu'.so no matter how hard you try to find a loop hole im my thread and proof of my opinions that is the ONLY jutsu that links to the fox's seal and also linked to the 4th. if there is another jutsu then correct me and i repeat the fox's seal and the 4th
rofl XD
your paragraph is full of fail really... so if someone is attacking you, just because it's known you can't call it "that attack"
it actually works the opposite way... both signature attacks and rare attacks can be known as "that jutsu"... you don't call it "that jutsu" if you don't know what it is XD
also... "amaretsu was well known only the 3rd and the fourth knew about "that jutsu" " then how did orochimaru know what he was doing? XD
it's not a loophole it's blatent fact XD
kishi is using a basic writing technique to keep some mystery until it comes to crunch time...
lets put it this way... you see someone 1 hit kill someone with a jutsu... he goes to use it on you later but you realise what it is... you'll most likely go... no! it's that jutsu! ... you don't go, omg no way it's <insert name here> !
why do u think manga goes on for so long... if they revealed everything in one page they couldn't plump out 1 jutsu into 3-5 pages long... and keep people interested...
rofl XD
your paragraph is full of fail really... so if someone is attacking you, just because it's known you can't call it "that attack"
it actually works the opposite way... both signature attacks and rare attacks can be known as "that jutsu"... you don't call it "that jutsu" if you don't know what it is XD
also... "amaretsu was well known only the 3rd and the fourth knew about "that jutsu" " then how did orochimaru know what he was doing? XD
it's not a loophole it's blatent fact XD
kishi is using a basic writing technique to keep some mystery until it comes to crunch time...
lets put it this way... you see someone 1 hit kill someone with a jutsu... he goes to use it on you later but you realise what it is... you'll most likely go... no! it's that jutsu! ... you don't go, omg no way it's <insert name here> !
why do u think manga goes on for so long... if they revealed everything in one page they couldn't plump out 1 jutsu into 3-5 pages long... and keep people interested...
In addition, you can't brand something when someone says "that jutsu", then they're gonna refer it as to one single kind of jutsu all the time . It really depends on the usage of the word--well, phrase in particular, and by knowing the usage (hence, if it's quoted or m-dashed or boldfaced or not) one has to delve on context clues.
rofl XD
your paragraph is full of fail really... so if someone is attacking you, just because it's known you can't call it "that attack"
it actually works the opposite way... both signature attacks and rare attacks can be known as "that jutsu"... you don't call it "that jutsu" if you don't know what it is XD
also... "amaretsu was well known only the 3rd and the fourth knew about "that jutsu" " then how did orochimaru know what he was doing? XD
it's not a loophole it's blatent fact XD
kishi is using a basic writing technique to keep some mystery until it comes to crunch time...
lets put it this way... you see someone 1 hit kill someone with a jutsu... he goes to use it on you later but you realise what it is... you'll most likely go... no! it's that jutsu! ... you don't go, omg no way it's <insert name here> !
why do u think manga goes on for so long... if they revealed everything in one page they couldn't plump out 1 jutsu into 3-5 pages long... and keep people interested...
the 3rd said that only the user would be able to see the reaper seal.. true? then when he used it on orochimaru he he to him"now that the reaper seal is affecting you your are now able to see it"..look back at manga chapters 122 to 125 and you will know what im talking about.and dont try to escape out of this one. the only reason why i cant show you the proof myself is that i dont know how you guys put the manga pics on your posts. so for now just look it up.
Lolol, I'm not heckling or trolling you. I'm just making you convince me more coz you really sound soo conclusive about this. =p
Anyway, blame the frog for the question: xd
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There said that the kyuubi is the final step to completing the jutsu that Jiraiya spoke of. If I remember it right, it was Jiraiya who made use of such reference as "that jutsu".
Bijuus are vaguely defined as chakra monster. They may and may not have souls. But saying that they're just merely chakra monsters or spiritual being, it may not also mean that they have soul like that of humans. If Naruto is gonna make use of the kyuubi, it would prove the present definition wrong. Otherwise, it may be plausible that there could be a "change" or "shift" or rather "improvement" in the tech, which will clearly debunk the present difenition of the death reaper seal (which is to seal the user's SOUL). Otoh, if bijuus actually have souls, then there's a higher plausibility for a "change" or "shift".
Onto the "Special jutsu" that Minato spoke of:
It may or may not be the death reaper seal. As for as these so-called immortals are concerned, they appear as such via different reasons: kakuzu's one because of his religion, oro because of his experiments and madara prolly because of the EMS (though it's weird that he isn't mentioned as an immortal in Naruto Wiki). Then, there are others who were revived using the impure world resurrection. In case of Kakuzu, he was incapacitated when he was blasted into pieces and his head got separated and buried in the ground. In case of Oro, he was sealed because using the totsuka sword, but this may be impossible for Naruto since it's in Itachi's Susanoo protection (unless it could be some Itachi's gift which we don't really know yet). As for Oro's arms and the resurrected hokages, it was indeed the death reaper seal.
Though I'm not actually digressing to the idea that Madara can be sealed by the death reaper seal (it is IDEAL), he could may fall into the Kakuzu category who's blasted into pieces. It may be far-fetched because of his space-time jutsu, but it doesn't mean it's totally impossible to do so.
...another option may have something to do with an ultimate rasengan which Naruto needs a kyuubi to formulate it. It may have been a kinjutsu for some reason. Yet, I'm not conclusive about this, but it's a plausible speculation since the basic rasengan has some connection to Minato and Jiraiya.
Controlling the kyuubi was said to be the final thing in order to make use of "that jutsu".
corrections to your post:
1. madara was mention as 'invincible, immortal" ninja b itachi when he was going to fight saskue look it up. he took saskue that madara was his mentor and partner.
2. the key free the kybuui, freeing the kybuui has nothing to do with "that jutsu". if u read your own post correctly u will see that the frog says "if you want to release the fox" and in a different sentence "its your final way to perfect that jutsu" which means if he use the key he can use the key to perfect "that jutsu' without freeing the fox(because its his choice if he wants to)
3. chakra monster do have souls, in others words the 3rd jutsu wouldn't have an effect on the nine tailed fox
the 3rd said that only the user would be able to see the reaper seal.. true? then when he used it on orochimaru he he to him"now that the reaper seal is affecting you your are now able to see it"..look back at manga chapters 122 to 125 and you will know what im talking about.and dont try to escape out of this one. the only reason why i cant show you the proof myself is that i dont know how you guys put the manga pics on your posts. so for now just look it up.
no he saw the handseals... not the deathgod itself at first... what you're forgetting is he even said "this must be the death god the 4th spoke about"... or along that lines... so he told people about it obviously... also it's konoha's history... all the older generations will know about minato using that technique to seal the kyuubi... also that wasn't a technique the 3rd and 4th didn't master... it's more like a summoning technique as you make a contract, there's no real perfection to it... the technique the 4th never completed was an elemental rasengan as jiraiya told him even the 4th never completed it.
if it's not a rasengan... which i'm sick of him using just rasengan and shadow clones ad infinitum... then it'll most likely be a technique we haven't seen... but it'll probably be another lame OP rasengan
*note* by contract... i don't mean a physical one like the summon scrolls... the contract is he takes your soul for using his powers
no he saw the handseals... not the deathgod itself at first... what you're forgetting is he even said "this must be the death god the 4th spoke about"... or along that lines... so he told people about it obviously... also it's konoha's history... all the older generations will know about minato using that technique to seal the kyuubi... also that wasn't a technique the 3rd and 4th didn't master... it's more like a summoning technique as you make a contract, there's no real perfection to it... the technique the 4th never completed was an elemental rasengan as jiraiya told him even the 4th never completed it.
if it's not a rasengan... which i'm sick of him using just rasengan and shadow clones ad infinitum... then it'll most likely be a technique we haven't seen... but it'll probably be another lame OP rasengan
*note* by contract... i don't mean a physical one like the summon scrolls... the contract is he takes your soul for using his powers
correction to YOUR post:
1. orochimaru could not have seen the hand seals(it was the 3rd ape,his summon creature who saw it)since the 1st hokage used a darkness jtusu that blackens everything there was no visibility between the 3rd and orochimaru. not even the hokages except the 3rd was seen to us.
2.it was after the 3dr was sealing his soul(orochimaru) he saw the death reaper and he said"this must be the jutsu that the 4th used when the nine tails attack". i can see that you have not even read the chapters that i told you to reda or you ave have post this rubbish as a reply to my post. if you did read im sorry ,but read it again because it seems that you lack understanding in the manga chapters.
corrections to your post:
1. madara was mention as 'invincible, immortal" ninja b itachi when he was going to fight saskue look it up. he took saskue that madara was his mentor and partner.
2. the key free the kybuui, freeing the kybuui has nothing to do with "that jutsu". if u read your own post correctly u will see that the frog says "if you want to release the fox" and in a different sentence "its your final way to perfect that jutsu" which means if he use the key he can use the key to perfect "that jutsu' without freeing the fox(because its his choice if he wants to)
3. chakra monster do have souls, in others words the 3rd jutsu wouldn't have an effect on the nine tailed fox
1.) I didn't rule out that Madara is not an immortal. Yeah, I remembered that someone said he is, and that's Itachi. It's just weird that it wasn't mentioned on the Naruto Wiki Page about Madara:
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2.) No, he's gonna free, or in precise terms, gain full control of the fox using the key. The new chapter just came out:
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3.) Yes, Minato did really seal the kyuubi's chakra along with his soul. So, it's still kind of vague to me if such tech could seal ONLY the bijuu's chakra.
