[Theory] I hate Tobi theories, but this one caught my eye....

[Owarij]

mhmm, I understand. I also can see this point for this. But this wouldnt be a good debate if I didnt have a (moderate) counter:

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Read were they talk about him lying about Tobi being Madara. This makes it so everything from before can be completely deminished. And if you want to go DEEPER into it, the word "brother" can also refer to someone who is someone who is of close relation, your actual brother, OR someone figuratively who is a brother figure. Ever heard of "Anonymous"? they arnt one person thought they fall under the same name. They are a mass, the rules still apply. So this could still work in a Kagami Theory.

Urm you have yet to seen tobi's face, fact is as i said, tobi could very well me Some sort of Madara zetsu hybrid..... Nothing is diminished..... he has kept a constant story , even when konan was dieing .... Kisame and itachi both recognize him as uchiha madara, and he has shown to have no problem taking his mask off, he can't to sasuke because of the transcription amaterasu.... Kishi put in the databooks Tobi = Madara why would he put that to later change the databooks, when the databooks are supposed to be fact?, The fox recognized the mask's mans eye 16 years ago during the attack.. .everything so far adds up to him being Madara,


and a brother can be taking in context of close relation... but Madara was talking about izuna,and kishi showed flashbacks of izuna

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

mhmm, I understand. I also can see this point for this. But this wouldnt be a good debate if I didnt have a (moderate) counter:

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Read were they talk about him lying about Tobi being Madara. This makes it so everything from before can be completely deminished. And if you want to go DEEPER into it, the word "brother" can also refer to someone who is someone who is of close relation, your actual brother, OR someone figuratively who is a brother figure. Ever heard of "Anonymous"? they arnt one person thought they fall under the same name. They are a mass, the rules still apply. So this could still work in a Kagami Theory.

yea you should read it cuz tsunade said even "if" he wasnt madara there still a possiblitly he is madara. zetsu can clone someone down to there charka dna. he very well could of cloned madara making tobi. if you look at it the edo madara has both senju and uchiha cells tobi has senju and uchiha cells they both have sharingan rinnegan. tobi is a clone of madara thru zetsu

 

[opt4shenanigans]

izuna gave madara his eyes, thus he had no eyes in his socket, how could he give eyes to nagato/

You misread. Izuna or the Masked Man gave the Rinnegan that Madara unlocked to Pain/Nagato. The Masked Man has ALOT of extra sharingan.

ps. Try to use spoilers next time.

 

[Owarij]

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adding this pic here >.> just because

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

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adding this pic here >.> just because

owarij i agree with you that tobi is madara but just cloned thru zetsu once the manga shows it than all these ppl will feel dumb

 

[Owarij]

owarij i agree with you that tobi is madara but just cloned thru zetsu once the manga shows it than all these ppl will feel dumb

yup yup, it also explains why he can't move from sharingan to ems, to rinnegan , like the real madara can, and why he has 1 sharingan and 1 rinnegna, and also why his sharingan has never turned off, its because he isnt technically a uchiha, and it counts as a implant just like kakashi's

 

[Sage of Wings]

Well its not like I cant dis-regard that it can be a madara-zetsu clone. But I'm say is that there could be a connection with Kagami being Tobi. I mean up until the latest manga I thought it was a Madara-Zetsu. But ever since I saw this info, I kinda have a split line of where I stand.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

yup yup, it also explains why he can't move from sharingan to ems, to rinnegan , like the real madara can, and why he has 1 sharingan and 1 rinnegna, and also why his sharingan has never turned off, its because he isnt technically a uchiha, and it counts as a implant just like kakashi's

thats true cuz like kabuto said when he seen him you have a pretty unique vessel. which contains uchiha and senju dna.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Well its not like I cant dis-regard that it can be a madara-zetsu clone. But I'm say is that there could be a connection with Kagami being Tobi. I mean up until the latest manga I thought it was a Madara-Zetsu. But ever since I saw this info, I kinda have a split line of where I stand.

i dont think it is kagami cuz he had no real connection to naruto period he was just in a flashback which was about danzou really. he is just as immportant as the ninja witht he dog when 4th was fighting A B duo. if thats the case then tobi could be one of the uchihas that came to itachis door. and accused him of murdering shisui which he did. also its proven fact that tobi is using a zetsu body cuz he can regenerate his arms back when he goes bak to his base. and we know zetsu can clone ppl down to there charka with ease. hes been doing it in the war. so why cant zetsu clone madara. there is a clone of the forst hokage tobi showed that to kabuto

 

[Sage of Wings]

Who says it cant? there has always been a thing called foreshadowing...
I mean every story has it, and whats to say that one of the uchiha that has been introduced that hasnt has a confirmed death have a chance? I mean everyone said Madara died but yet a part of him existed with a zetsu clone (to what our speculation is) and the story used that as a foreshadow. Hell they introduced Madara at the beginning the series when sasuke entered Naruto's contentious. So I think there can be a few possibilities open for Kagami, hell I even forgot about him until today.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

i dont think it is kagami cuz he had no real connection to naruto period he was just in a flashback which was about danzou really. he is just as immportant as the ninja witht he dog when 4th was fighting A B duo. if thats the case then tobi could be one of the uchihas that came to itachis door. and accused him of murdering shisui which he did. also its proven fact that tobi is using a zetsu body cuz he can regenerate his arms back when he goes bak to his base. and we know zetsu can clone ppl down to there charka with ease. hes been doing it in the war. so why cant zetsu clone madara. there is a clone of the forst hokage tobi showed that to kabuto

Clone of Hashi is not Zetsu, it's a living being without mind or soul.

Zetsu copies chakra and appearance, not their minds or memory. How did Tobi got his soul(if he has one)?
Madara has been summoned by Edo Tensei so we know that his soul is not in Tobi.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Who says it cant? there has always been a thing called foreshadowing...
I mean every story has it, and whats to say that one of the uchiha that has been introduced that hasnt has a confirmed death have a chance? I mean everyone said Madara died but yet a part of him existed with a zetsu clone (to what our speculation is) and the story used that as a foreshadow. Hell they introduced Madara at the beginning the series when sasuke entered Naruto's contentious. So I think there can be a few possibilities open for Kagami, hell I even forgot about him until today.

you know why you forgot about him is because he is of no importance or the fox would have spoke about him controlling him in the past. and we know zetsu kept a piece of madara your admitting that so now he is madara/kagami/tobi/zetsu hmmmm i see where ur going with this

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Clone of Hashi is not Zetsu, it's a living being without mind or soul.

Zetsu copies chakra and appearance, not their minds or memory. How did Tobi got his soul(if he has one)?
Madara has been summoned by Edo Tensei so we know that his soul is not in Tobi.

we know what white zetsu does but the black half is still a mystery and he also know about alot of techniques including itachis susanoo and he just seen it for the first time. but then again ape face it will be explained soon enough

 

[Owarij]

Clone of Hashi is not Zetsu, it's a living being without mind or soul.

Zetsu copies chakra and appearance, not their minds or memory. How did Tobi got his soul(if he has one)?
Madara has been summoned by Edo Tensei so we know that his soul is not in Tobi.

white zetsu copies physical appearance etc, but black zetsu seems to have knowledge of everything... that ever happened.. uchiha history, spiritual weapons, madara, all that. and we don't even know who black zetsu is or where he came from..

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

we know what white zetsu does but the black half is still a mystery and he also know about alot of techniques including itachis susanoo and he just seen it for the first time. but then again ape face it will be explained soon enough

What's black zetsu has to do with this? :|

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[Rexoniel]

Who says it cant? there has always been a thing called foreshadowing...
I mean every story has it, and whats to say that one of the uchiha that has been introduced that hasnt has a confirmed death have a chance? I mean everyone said Madara died but yet a part of him existed with a zetsu clone (to what our speculation is) and the story used that as a foreshadow. Hell they introduced Madara at the beginning the series when sasuke entered Naruto's contentious. So I think there can be a few possibilities open for Kagami, hell I even forgot about him until today.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Kagami is just one of the many Uchihas way back when. For all we know Tobi might not even be an Uchiha. Don't compare Kagami being a sign of foreshadowing on the scale of Madara. Madara is an important figure for the background of the story. Kagami is just part of random Danzo filler who did nothing to even distinguish himself apart from the other flashback characters aside from his last name.

 

[Sage of Wings]

you know why you forgot about him is because he is of no importance or the fox would have spoke about him controlling him in the past. and we know zetsu kept a piece of madara your admitting that so now he is madara/kagami/tobi/zetsu hmmmm i see where ur going with this

:shrug: i dont think im getting what your getting from that last part. Unless your saying all of them mushed into a Zetsu xd

 

[Sage of Wings]

I said it once and I'll say it again. Kagami is just one of the many Uchihas way back when. For all we know Tobi might not even be an Uchiha. Don't compare Kagami being a sign of foreshadowing on the scale of Madara. Madara is an important figure for the background of the story. Kagami is just part of random Danzo filler who did nothing to even distinguish himself apart from the other flashback characters aside from his last name.

You mad bro?:shrug:

Who says he cant play a big part in a future role? Or in fact an actual role at all? And its true that Tobi may not be an Uchiha, but so far I havent seen anyone say (in a serious manor) that he is a non-uchiha, part zetsu, or at least son of the SOTSP. But if you have any idea, please share your theory and maybe it could add up.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

What's black zetsu has to do with this? :|

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that tree outsmarted naruto and there is still more to zetsu than anyon esle in the series

 

[Famine]

You mad bro?:shrug:

Who says he cant play a big part in a future role? Or in fact an actual role at all? And its true that Tobi may not be an Uchiha, but so far I havent seen anyone say (in a serious manor) that he is a non-uchiha, part zetsu, or at least son of the SOTSP. But if you have any idea, please share your theory and maybe it could add up.

The fact that nothing notable about him has been said ever by any character. Other theories in which the elder son and Izuna are Tobi have more textual evidence supporting them. Hell, Izuna could've been revived by Madara once he obtained the Rinnegan. It's more possible than a character we've heard nothing about other being Tobi.

Here's a theory: Izuna was revived by Madara after he obtained the Rinnegan. The brothers formulate a plan to get vengeance. At some point, Madara dies, leaving Izuna to follow through with the plan on his own, adopting his brother's name due to the amount of fame. To combat age, injury, or perhaps to substitute a part of his body that decayed before Madara could revive him, Izuna replaces parts of his body with Zetsu goo. Izuna has the motive to be Tobi, he has the background and knowledge of history to back up what Tobi has said, and, although it's probably more coincidental, Tobi is listed as 175cm, 59.9kg while Izuna is listed at 174.8cm and 59.9kg.

Izuna fits, more so than Kagami. I'm not implying that Tobi is Izuna, I just think it would be more likely than Kagami. To suddenly reveal that Kagami is Tobi would seem like a huge ass-pull on Kishi's part.