I guess Kishi had no answer

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There is no answer. The only answer is to make a guild and run a magic academy. Than and only than the power of magic can bring peace.
 

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Kishimoto really didn't have an answer. Naruto kept saying that he will break the cycle of hatred, and will lead the world to peace, but how? I guess it was obvious from the pain arc with that stupid quote from the book. It really bothers me as a Naruto fan when kishi didn't even bother with Naruto's answer to the hatred. I guess Kishi belittled Sasuke too by making him lose to a guy that doesn't have an answer, and just blabbers about breaking the chains of hatred out of thin air.

You basically are asking him to solve the worlds' problems...
Hatred is real.
He isn't a philosopher.
 

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You guys and these threads. Why is it that you think a 17 year old boy is suppose to have the answer to one of life's biggest mysteries? Did Jiraiya gave an answer? Did Hagoromo have an answer?

Was it stated somewhere that Naruto was suppose to find the answer at age 17? 25? 40?

Maybe he will fond the answer during the movie. Or maybe his children are the answer...maybe there is no answer.

Sometimes the journey is more important then destination.
I disagree in this instance becuase Kishi never made it apparent in the story that there was no answer that could be found. He simply never addresses the topic. How hard is it to make it apparent that there is no answer that could be found if that's what he was going for?
 

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There is an answer; it just isn't easy to put into practice. It will take time.
 

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Maybe his answer is Google? Since Naruto was using a laptop as a hokage.
 

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It doesn't take a genius to understand what the answer was. Cooperation was always Naruto's answer, but he didn't know how to go about it. He had just been going around eliminating the biggest threats possible but never had an answer. Sasuke is his answer, if that makes sense. Naruto's ability to channel the good in people and Sasuke's realism and knowledge about historical instability. That's Naruto's answer. And he said it in 697 "My dream is for all Shinobi to unite and work together and I want you there too". It's a vague concept of mutual understanding and cooperation so that there is never another Madara to come about.
 

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It doesn't take a genius to understand what the answer was. Cooperation was always Naruto's answer, but he didn't know how to go about it. He had just been going around eliminating the biggest threats possible but never had an answer. Sasuke is his answer, if that makes sense. Naruto's ability to channel the good in people and Sasuke's realism and knowledge about historical instability. That's Naruto's answer. And he said it in 697 "My dream is for all Shinobi to unite and work together and I want you there too". It's a vague concept of mutual understanding and cooperation so that there is never another Madara to come about.

Sasuke has nothing to do with it at all lol.
 

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I disagree in this instance becuase Kishi never made it apparent in the story that there was no answer that could be found. He simply never addresses the topic. How hard is it to make it apparent that there is no answer that could be found if that's what he was going for?

if you look back to Naruto VS Pein fight you will see Kishi touch on this very subject quite a bit both in the flashback with Naruto and Jiraiya as well as when Pein asked Naruto directly for his answer.

Naruto's Answer was. I just don't know.

The answer you guys are looking for is not an answer that can be summed up in one or two actions. This is an answer that takes lifetimes and generations to answer. No one man or god can bring true peace by themselves. But what Naruto did was devote his life to finding that answer.

That is his answer.
 

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Sasuke has nothing to do with it at all lol.

Without mutual understanding between "Indra and Ashura" the cycle of Hatred will forever continue because of the process of chakra transmigration. If Naruto didn't convince Sasuke to "become good", the cycle would just continue, another Madara/Obito/Sasuke/Kaguya would spawn and continue to try and radicalize the system into whatever they felt fit, no matter how crazy it is. So yes, Sasuke is part of the answer because without his contributions to ending the eternal hatred, Naruto wouldn't even have a chance in hell of enacting whatever plan of action for peace he has.
 

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Without mutual understanding between "Indra and Ashura" the cycle of Hatred will forever continue because of the process of chakra transmigration. If Naruto didn't convince Sasuke to "become good", the cycle would just continue, another Madara/Obito/Sasuke/Kaguya would spawn and continue to try and radicalize the system into whatever they felt fit, no matter how crazy it is. So yes, Sasuke is part of the answer because without his contributions to ending the eternal hatred, Naruto wouldn't even have a chance in hell of enacting whatever plan of action for peace he has.

Ok sorry. I should have said: Sasuke has nothing to do with it after 698 lol.
 

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if you look back to Naruto VS Pein fight you will see Kishi touch on this very subject quite a bit both in the flashback with Naruto and Jiraiya as well as when Pein asked Naruto directly for his answer.

Naruto's Answer was. I just don't know.

The answer you guys are looking for is not an answer that can be summed up in one or two actions. This is an answer that takes lifetimes and generations to answer. No one man or god can bring true peace by themselves. But what Naruto did was devote his life to finding that answer.

That is his answer.

Then my question is Why didn't he let Sasuke do what he was gonna do instead? Sasuke had an answer Naruto didn't if Naruto doesn't have an answer how the hell can he appropriately say Sasuke's answer or even Madara's answer was wrong? If he was goin for the there isn't an answer that can be currently found type of ending then why did he make it so both Naruto and sasukes ideals clashed in the end? So Naruto can say "no Sasuke you are wrong about world peace and even though I don't have am answer therefore don't have credability to say yours is wrong I'm no gonna let you execute your ideal becuase I want you to come back to the village with me".
Hell he may aswell have let Madara win in and cast IT in that case. But nope Naruto opposed his ideals to even though he's isn't have an answer himself which makes it a similar situation to that of his final battle with Sasuke .
If he was going that route those two things are something he shouldn't have done.I really don't think Kishi knew what he was doing r maybe he was rushing the ending cause these things just for add up.

Maybe Kishi was going the I don't have an answer ending but he did it wrong.unless he was trying to make Naruto look like a pretentious procrastinator.
 
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the cycle will never end; Kumo is still salty - just cuz Darui is a softy, don't be fooled.
 

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Actually, I think Sasuke found it he summed it up as a type of faith and enduring till u could make it a reality. He went on his journey to find a way to apply it properly large scale. It's a lot clearer if u read the viz translation
 

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Sasuke articulated Naruto's answer in 699. It's to persever and keep having faith. Kind of like how you pray. You keep praying and having faith that your prayer will someday be answered. Also the answer is to always keep a hand of reconciliation extended. and as we see and CLAIM each other's pain, we won't just sit by and allow injustice to happen in the world. Nor will we commit injustices because we feel the pain of others. That is the answer. It is indeed a cop out answer but it is what it is.

this flew over my head until I read the VIZ translation. It pays to invest the $25 for an accurate translation and understanding of the story.
 
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Kishimoto really didn't have an answer. Naruto kept saying that he will break the cycle of hatred, and will lead the world to peace, but how? I guess it was obvious from the pain arc with that stupid quote from the book. It really bothers me as a Naruto fan when kishi didn't even bother with Naruto's answer to the hatred. I guess Kishi belittled Sasuke too by making him lose to a guy that doesn't have an answer, and just blabbers about breaking the chains of hatred out of thin air.
You cant have 100% peace without a conflict ever again. Even if those conflicts are little.

The answer Naruto has, is to make the world a better place and try to prevent large scale wars.

To never give up.
To trust, have faith and accept yourself and others.
To try to break cycles of hatred.
To work together.
That makes the world a better place.

He showed such things by befriending people like Kurama, Obito, Nagato (who were partly responsible for the death of his parents even) and by accepting himself at the waterfall of truth.

The 5 villages are not at war and they are having meetings (both the new and the old kages).

If these values can be passed to next generations (bit like the will of fire), through time and changing of cultures, the world can improve.
People need to grow.

Sasuke his answer cannot be executed, so its not really an answer.

Obito and Madara their worlds are fake (dreams) and not reality.

Nagato his plan is to damaging, because he creates moments of temporary peace through conflict (letting villages using the mazo as a weapon or a weapon based on the bijou).
One can wonder if Nagato's peace would happen, because the conflict could make people not fight due to fear (not only due to understanding) and peace might not even happen due to the cycles of hatred that it would cause.

So far, Naruto's method is by far the best route to follow to make the world a better place.

There is no answer for utopia.
 
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Then my question is Why didn't he let Sasuke do what he was gonna do instead? Sasuke had an answer Naruto didn't if Naruto doesn't have an answer how the hell can he appropriately say Sasuke's answer or even Madara's answer was wrong? If he was goin for the there isn't an answer that can be currently found type of ending then why did he make it so both Naruto and sasukes ideals clashed in the end? So Naruto can say "no Sasuke you are wrong about world peace and even though I don't have am answer therefore don't have credability to say yours is wrong I'm no gonna let you execute your ideal becuase I want you to come back to the village with me".
Hell he may aswell have let Madara win in and cast IT in that case. But nope Naruto opposed his ideals to even though he's isn't have an answer himself which makes it a similar situation to that of his final battle with Sasuke .
If he was going that route those two things are something he shouldn't have done.I really don't think Kishi knew what he was doing r maybe he was rushing the ending cause these things just for add up.

Maybe Kishi was going the I don't have an answer ending but he did it wrong.unless he was trying to make Naruto look like a pretentious procrastinator.

So Naruto should have just let Sasuke kill him and the Five Kage, and destroy the Tailed beasts?

Do you know what Sasuke's plan was?

You guys and these threads. Why is it that you think a 17 year old boy is suppose to have the answer to one of life's biggest mysteries? Did Jiraiya gave an answer? Did Hagoromo have an answer?

Was it stated somewhere that Naruto was suppose to find the answer at age 17? 25? 40?

Maybe he will fond the answer during the movie. Or maybe his children are the answer...maybe there is no answer.

Sometimes the journey is more important then destination.


This guy has it right, changing the world isn't one solution, its a serious of changes and takes generations.

Its like Hashirama said, you do the best you can and trust the next generation to take it the next step.

No one person can come up with a plan to fix all the world's problems.
 
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Ninshu indoctrination was set into place for that current gen when Sasuke finally acknowledged Naruto's resolve. The peace that was established for the end of this manga is end game. There is no way around it but mere speculation like your doing. In the end it's peaceful and that's the way the story was meant to end and the way it ended, without further conflict or hate from the world.
 
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I assume you haven't been keeping up with the manga.

He already stated he has a plan, we will have to wait for the movie or the anime it to show what he is going to do.

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To be honest, Naruto's answer was to confront hate together with cooperation. It was really simple, nothing complicated or set out but something to start from and then improve upon when the need arises.
 
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