[Discussion] I don't understand depression

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If you don't understand the feeling don't sit there and say i can't understand why they can't cop with their problems.
You are one person with your own problems that may be as extreme or even worse then what others when through and the opposite is true.

basically try to come and understand ones individual pain before asking them to "suck it up"

There are people who suffered far worse then you who probably never questioned anyone's coping power and instead related to them.


Whatever you went through it sounds like your still tinged with anger.Blatantly wondering why people can't be like you.
Saying you resisted drugs yet go on about this being a life of sink or swim.

Great your grew some balls,now how about growing some empathy


Shame on you
 

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We are all individuals .. Not everyone is the same .. you were a brave person .. but depression is an illness that sometimes can't be controlled .. you can get out of it with help .. but most people who are with depression are alone .. they tend to handle things their self .. and in the end they can't .. because you can't .. And then death happens ...... But basically .. everyone is different with different mindsets on how to view things .. and it's usually that way because we've all been raised differently that way .
 

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I'm not sure whether this is insensitive, close minded, or perhaps a genuine query. . .

We all deal with problems differently. Depression is a mental illness characterized by a constant sad mood which can be accompanied by weight loss or gain, fatigue, thoughts of death, so on so forth...It can be caused by genetics, meaning if your family has a history with depression, you might be more susceptible to the disease. It's also caused by brain chemistry. Put simply, someone with depression will have a different brain chemistry than someone without it. And, of course, it can be triggered by trauma and stress...which is where I think you have your disconnect. You obviously had a hard childhood, and instead of letting the fights get to you, you simply chose to not "give a rat's ass anymore." However, I'd like to point out that depression can also be characterized by lack of interest and inability to enjoy things that were previously pleasurable.

But, as I said before, we all have different coping mechanisms. Don't be so quick to judge others simply because they can't cope as well as you. At least they've been diagnosed and are on a path to recovery.
 
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My older brother died a month ago
You don't know what true sadness is unless that happens to you
 

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From what I've observed depression can feel like those days where you have no appetite for anything - the things that used to bring you joy, now bore you or bring you no contentment, the friends and family you used to enjoy spending time with, now feel like a burden and all you want to do is stay in your room and hug yourself hoping the emptiness would just disappear. Everyone occasionally has a day like this, but for people suffering with depression - its almost constant for them until they pick themselves up. And most of the time it has to be something they have to achieve on their own. No matter how much outside help - it won't actually help until the individual comes across something that snaps out of the depression, and then from there its a bumpy road to recovery and picturing a brighter future.
 

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Your post is a little self-centered. You've been through a lot and say it didn't affect you but people deal with hardships differently. Depression is a medical illness that causes a persistent feeling of sadness and loss of interest. You say you don't understand people who fall into depression but depression isn't a weakness, nor is it something that you can simply "snap out" of. People go through different hardships and like the others said, it's not that easy to just 'not give a rat's ass' about it.
You were brave enough but don't forget that some people can't deal with it with ease.
 

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When I was little my parents cheated each other a lot, then when I was 3 my father got into prison. When he came back, he joined a religious sect and forced us into it as well, we had to obey whatever he said otherwise he even threatened to kill us. There was much shouting, we also got into debt. Due to religious reasons, there were no birthdays, christmas, easter or any other holiday allowed. No parties, no fun. Only church.If I didn't get good grade, I got punished. If I showed any sign of rebel, I got punished. So I suffered silently.
In the end he cheated my mother again and left us few years ago.
In the meantime I had lost my grandparents, I had disease and surgery...etc.
Now that I get the chance of having a normal life I don't know what to do with this chance coz I have no idea what normal is. That's the real saddening thing.

And you're the guy who wanted to buy NB tight?

Thanks for sharing bro.
 

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Your post is a little self-centered. You've been through a lot and say it didn't affect you but people deal with hardships differently. Depression is a medical illness that causes a persistent feeling of sadness and loss of interest. You say you don't understand people who fall into depression but depression isn't a weakness, nor is it something that you can simply "snap out" of. People go through different hardships and like the others said, it's not that easy to just 'not give a rat's ass' about it.
You were brave enough but don't forget that some people can't deal with it with ease.

This is soooo not Asami's writing style. Waaay off.
 

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People cry too much. Crying serves no purpose. The only time it is appropriate to be sad is when someone dies. Then you drown your grief in alcohol like an adult. Everything else you should just get mad about.
 

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It really depends on the person. Some people are more tolerant to depression and sadness than others. It is all centered around ones phenomenology.
 

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well, i guess in most cases, it mainly depends on he person
 

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Well of course everyone is different and takes the things in life differently than someone else would. Now, the level of depression some people let themselves sink to is actually unforgivable in my opinion, yet understandable from my viewpoint. Now I know that sounds a little weird, but I've experienced pain, hardship, and sorrow. We all have, but everyone identifies those things or what causes those things differently. The individual actually has a strong influence over their actions, but intense sadness or fear can delude someone and create chemical inbalances in the brain. You my friend however seem to be an individual who was faced with these things since a very young age, and therefore grew "accustomed" to it in your own way (not to say those past things don't affect you now that is). Now that it's passed, you look at such things as depression differently than most.

The thing most people have to realize though is that life sucks. It sucks for pretty much everyone, but in order to truly know or understand someone else's troubles, you must have had something similar happen to you. You, naturally have overcome the succumbing to those feelings at an early age due to you having to face real problems, and therefore cannot relate to those that hadn't and take trauma much heavier. I will say this though. A lot of people's misconceptions are that depression is no big deal because of whiny teenagers when it's actually quite terrible (the real depression of course). Major Depressive Disorder is actually a very real thing, occuring mostly from adults up to around age 40.

"There are several forms of depressive disorders. Symptoms of different forms of MDD are as follows:

Major depressive disorder, or major depression, is characterized by a combination of symptoms that interfere with a person's ability to work, sleep, study, eat, and enjoy once-pleasurable activities. Major depression is disabling and prevents a person from functioning normally. Some people may experience only a single episode within their lifetime, but more often a person may have multiple episodes.

Dysthymic disorder, or dysthymia, is characterized by long-term (2 years or longer) symptoms that may not be severe enough to disable a person but can prevent normal functioning or feeling well. People with dysthymia may also experience one or more episodes of major depression during their lifetimes.

Minor Depression is characterized by having symptoms for 2 weeks or longer that do not meet full criteria for major depression. Without treatment, people with minor depression are at high risk for developing major depressive disorder.

(This part is slightly unrelated but I included it for the purpose of showing the many different types of depression)

Some forms of depression are slightly different, or they may develop under unique circumstances. However, not everyone agrees on how to characterize and define these forms of depression. They include:

Psychotic Depression, which occurs when a person has severe depression plus some form of psychosis, such as having disturbing false beliefs or a break with reality (delusions), or hearing or seeing upsetting things that others cannot hear or see (hallucinations).

Postpartum Depression, which is much more serious than the "baby blues" that many women experience after giving birth, when hormonal and physical changes and the new responsibility of caring for a newborn can be overwhelming. It is estimated that 10 to 15 percent of women experience postpartum depression after giving birth.

Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD), which is characterized by the onset of depression during the winter months, when there is less natural sunlight. The depression generally lifts during spring and summer. SAD may be effectively treated with light therapy, but nearly half of those with SAD do not get better with light therapy alone. Antidepressant medication and psychotherapy can reduce SAD symptoms, either alone or in combination with light therapy.

Bipolar Disorder, also called manic-depressive illness, is not as common as major depression or dysthymia. Bipolar disorder is characterized by cycling mood changes—from extreme highs (e.g., mania) to extreme lows (e.g., depression)."

Oh my, look what this has turned into ._. Anyhow, I hope that helped a bit.
 
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I know I'm going to sound really ignorant and self centred but here goes..


I've been through a lot of things, I am now 24 but I have seen stuff during my childhood that no kid should have to see. I had many things to be upset about and to cry about but I never did.

I'm not going to say the specific problems during childhood I had but they mostly included family problems, debt and a lot of shouting, screaming, etc.

I experienced a lot. I had to grow up fast or I was going to sink. When I was around 6-8 I realised that the world isn't a nice place, it doesn't care about nice people and you either have to sink or swim. Most of you probably won't believe me but even going through all that I never once thought about "commiting" or running away. When I was 12, if anything I couldn't give a rats ass anymore because I had seen it all/gone through it all. It was always the same old arguments, fights, etc.

I'm not saying it was just those little family problems that everyone has. I had some traumatising moments that even to this day I'm still scared and horrified.

In a nutshell, my early childhood (the day I could remember till I was about 15) was horrible but I went through it without shedding tears that could fill a river.


My family is very healthy and happy now but I will never forget some stuff that happened. Some violent (not towards me, my brother or my mother), some sick stuff I had to deal with when I was very young and some disturbing (not sexual) events.


In a nutshell, I was fine as a kid (almost emotionless) and I'm happy and healthy now. I've been through things not many people have and the people who have, most of which are most likely not very 'normal' now. Surprise surprise, I'm not depressed!

What sparked this thread was the amount of people I saw in the pharmacy with anti-depressants and similar drugs.

I don't understand why people can't cope and come to terms with their problems. I did, and millions possibly billions of other people have as well (some may have even had it worse than me)


I witnessed and experienced horrifying things as a child, and even though I have to study my ass off 24/7 I couldn't be anymore happy than I am. I met new people, made friends, reconciled and that's the key to my happiness.

well everyone deals with problems in a diffrent way, some like to cry them out, some like to bury themselves in fantasy world, and some manage to pull through it using will power alone. there are people that can quickly get out of depression and there are people that will not get out of it for the rest of their lives. every person is diffrent and reacts diffrently and just because you were successful doesn't mean everyone can be.

the most importent thing for me is to understand that it's not because they don't try hard enough or are to lazy. depression and mental issues are as real as limb loss or a deadly disseas. it's almost all the time out of the control of the person and thats why they use medication and therapy, because they can't get through it by themselves.
 

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If you don't understand the feeling don't sit there and say i can't understand why they can't cop with their problems.
You are one person with your own problems that may be as extreme or even worse then what others when through and the opposite is true.

basically try to come and understand ones individual pain before asking them to "suck it up"

There are people who suffered far worse then you who probably never questioned anyone's coping power and instead related to them.


Whatever you went through it sounds like your still tinged with anger.Blatantly wondering why people can't be like you.
Saying you resisted drugs yet go on about this being a life of sink or swim.

Great your grew some balls,now how about growing some empathy


Shame on you

I couldn't have put it better myself.

OP I have had a very very hard life. I have experienced physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse at the hands of my own family. My father used to beat me up over small matters. I carry the scars of abuse on my back from when he beat me up with a heavy iron Army belt to this day, along with my slightly damaged nose from when he punched me when I was just 10. I nearly died from loss of blood then. I am not even kidding. Half of the sink was filled with blood leaking from my nose. I was even sexually molested when I was only 5. To this day, the psychological abuse continues, not only from my father but from people who are opportunistic.

To me, your self-centeredness is rather reasonable, as I have just touched upon some factors that I have faced in my life; t me your problems seem insignificant. But, unlike you, I wouldn't use myself as some kind of measuring stick and start being judgmental. I suffer from major depression. Not a day goes by when I don't think about ending my life. But that doesn't give me the right to start talking rubbish about others.

Shame on you. Shame on you.
 

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I know I'm going to sound really ignorant and self centred but here goes..


I've been through a lot of things, I am now 24 but I have seen stuff during my childhood that no kid should have to see. I had many things to be upset about and to cry about but I never did.

I'm not going to say the specific problems during childhood I had but they mostly included family problems, debt and a lot of shouting, screaming, etc.

I experienced a lot. I had to grow up fast or I was going to sink. When I was around 6-8 I realised that the world isn't a nice place, it doesn't care about nice people and you either have to sink or swim. Most of you probably won't believe me but even going through all that I never once thought about "commiting" or running away. When I was 12, if anything I couldn't give a rats ass anymore because I had seen it all/gone through it all. It was always the same old arguments, fights, etc.

I'm not saying it was just those little family problems that everyone has. I had some traumatising moments that even to this day I'm still scared and horrified.

In a nutshell, my early childhood (the day I could remember till I was about 15) was horrible but I went through it without shedding tears that could fill a river.


My family is very healthy and happy now but I will never forget some stuff that happened. Some violent (not towards me, my brother or my mother), some sick stuff I had to deal with when I was very young and some disturbing (not sexual) events.


In a nutshell, I was fine as a kid (almost emotionless) and I'm happy and healthy now. I've been through things not many people have and the people who have, most of which are most likely not very 'normal' now. Surprise surprise, I'm not depressed!

What sparked this thread was the amount of people I saw in the pharmacy with anti-depressants and similar drugs.

I don't understand why people can't cope and come to terms with their problems. I did, and millions possibly billions of other people have as well (some may have even had it worse than me)


I witnessed and experienced horrifying things as a child, and even though I have to study my ass off 24/7 I couldn't be anymore happy than I am. I met new people, made friends, reconciled and that's the key to my happiness.

Adding to your green bar because of the following

1. You're not a ***** by taking medications
2. You didn't let it beat you down
3. You overcame it.

I'm proud of you OP. Keep up the good work.
 

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The following is just my observation. Not from textbooks, but from pure observations. It's an opinion I formed from observing them and the world around them. However, it's an opinion I strongly believe in. Also, for the past year and a half, I've PMed with several members here, giving my advice on how to deal with their depression. Three or four actually becoming good friends with.

I think depressed people have a rather different, but realistic view of the world. Most undergoes some type of abuse or deep emotional pain. I also noticed, that a lot of them, tend to be attention seekers (I think this term really gets a bad rep). Love, it's conditional, and there's very few on this earth that will love and treat you the same under any condition. Even a long loved family member will hate you under the right conditions, even if it takes something extreme. Humans, we have our limits, and I'm not necessarily saying having limits is bad. I'm just showing, that limits do exist. What would one think when they vividly see these limits? More clear than anyone else can. Everyone around them begins to seem 'fake'. You see, when one undergoes something painful, they get a 'suck it up', they get a look on the face that shows you really rather not be bothered even if you are presenting yourself to be helpful, they hear a tone in the voice which gives it away, they hear people talking behind their back, they hear a sigh. Note that this just isn't from strangers, but even the ones who love them. As I said, we all have our limits.

What would the view be like for someone who sees these limits so vividly? A rather cold and dark world. To them, the only reason their family tries to help them is because of their blood relation, any good things the family has to say is seen more of an obligation than an act made out of true care. Everyone around them is wearing fake smiles, even family, because they know that their love has boundaries. If they can see these boundaries within people, then there's a good chance it exist within themselves. All of the above plays a huge part in introspection, it becomes 'okay' not to love themselves, or even life. If their problems annoys people, then hate that part of themselves. And make no mistake, it is apart of them, it's not something they can just throw away because someone says "suck it up." However, once you hide away and hate something....well it's like hiding something you really despise somewhere in your house, you will eventually find it again. The only way will be to get it out. Now imagine something much smaller like the human heart, where emotions and feelings are more easily accessible. With their perspective, no one truly cares to hear them, it's either an obligation done for blood relation or money. They also seem to want lots of attention, lots of love, more love than they know anyone on this planet is capable of giving them. Life becomes hopeless, they can only hate themselves for what they have become. As I said, their view is rather realistic, on the point they recognize the conditions we have on love. In my opinion, they are essentially, people that underwent something extremely stressful to them and want more love than they can get out of us, out of this world that they live in, and they know this. Their bad experience opened their eyes to this unfortunate fact in life.

I love my family, and I'm sure they love me. However, I'm aware I could lose their love and the way they treat me in just one minute. I probably look at family and friends a lot different than most people. Though, I don't let this perspective interfere with my love for life or myself, this is the mistake I see depress people making. I don't necessarily disagree with their perspective, only that they don't love life and themselves.

The easiest way to deal with hate is love, to get rid of something you don't have to hate it. People hardly change on their own, their is always an idea placed in their head that begins that change. It could be a deep line from a movie, an anime, a book, a passage from a religious doctrine, the behavior of those around them, or something someone did to us. There is always an external influence. This is how us humans change, during this change we can either be self-destructive, or self-constructive, this is where loving yourself is most crucial. You're crossing a dangerous line when you love yourself, but hate parts about you. If you hate enough parts about you, you will hate yourself. What is annoying to one person, may be enjoyable to another. There's no reason to hate yourself because some people don't like it. So you've realized how cruel the world really is, so what? You're capable of tolerating yourself much more than anyone else. You're capable of loving yourself without any limits. This is the greatest power you have in the world, any hate will be cast out. Truly loving yourself does not mean there's no room for change, as long as their are other people on this planet, we will continue to change. Their thoughts and actions, which comes in many different forms, will forever have an impact on us. Be constructive and love yourself, loving yourself eventually equate to loving the people and life. So most humans aren't capable of complete love, but don't look at a human with one leg and think of chopping both yours off. Just because everyone around you don't love you in a desired way, doesn't mean you have to stop loving yourself.


Life appears to be cruel, I accept that. However, rather than taking it away, loving such an animal is the greatest step toward understanding its behaviors. We'll find out that the animal isn't so vicious as we believed.
 
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Pain is subjective. Everyone feels it differently and you're strong [mentally at least]. You take in all of that and the fact you grew up with it may have also had an effect. People who are weaker in the brain don't take things the way you did and fall into depression which is essentially a chemical balance as stated earlier. You grew up with a lot going on - when you grow up in a merry enviorment, when something not too nice happens you dont know how to react and your brain produces that chemical imbalance and falls into depression.
 

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Should be called, self pity. Not depression. Depression is when you are actually hurt.
 

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I wish I was like you.. Im depressed and I take those meds... But the problem is you have a strong will while im sensitive and have ADHD and I have anger issues and take meds for all of them... I cant be social either.... I have some bad life events too :(
 
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