I don't see how Sasuke is a genius or Indra.

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And what is that exactly? Intelligence is an ubrella term for many different categories.. Analytical ability, knowledge etc..
All of those people excel at different things. Sasuke has his strong points and weak points. So does Orochimaru. Are we forgetting as smart as oro is he still decided to make eye contact with an uchiha? then acted suprised when he was put in a genjutsu? Orochimaru hasn't shown the kind of intelligence in battle that Kakashi has.. I.e strategical abilitiy, breaking down jutsu with glances and forming plans. Sasuke has. He has done it in both his fights with Danzo and deidara. You're understimating him

Well being smart and being intelligent are entirely different things. Also Sasuke has shown us utter idiocy, trying to fight Killer Bee with no intel and getting killed twice, as well as trying to fight the five kage and getting completely wrecked.

I think (and this literally just occurred to me) that smart-intelligent is like math-physics. Physics is the application of math in the real world. There are people who are brilliant math students but struggle with physics because they lack the intelligence to deduce exactly how their mathematical knowledge should be applied to a physics problem. Intelligence is applied smarts, the ability to actually use what you know to help you in real life. I hope this makes sense
 

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Madara has shown no intellectual prowess at all

Madara has been analyzing jutsu he's seen only once since he has ben revived. He's the only person capable of discerning a shadow clone from a real one through his natural skill from endless fighting. He's orchestrated and manipulated people over years and decades, something which requires high intelligence. Fast thinking strategies like covering Kyuubi in Susanno
In the knowledge part of intelligence he's as well studied or even more so than Tobirama

Don't get confused. Madara simply never had to bust out "strategies" Because he's mostly never on the defensive. He's never the underdog and usually defeats his opponents with his significant gap in skill


trying to fight Killer Bee with no intel

How is it dumb to fight someone with no intel? Ninjas do that every day, 80% of fights in naruto has been like this. It's HARDER. But not dumb

He went up against an opponent he wasn't ready for . A perfect jinchuriki better than him in everymeasure. There was nothing he could do.

With all the intelligence in the world. Shikimaru will still get defeated easily by nagato with no intel


Intelligence is applied smarts, the ability to actually use what you know to help you in real life. I hope this makes sense

Unfortunately not, as I said before, Intelligence is an umbrella term for several things

Intelligence has been defined in many different ways such as in terms of one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, emotional knowledge, memory, planning, and problem solving + More

Different ninjas excel at different categories
 
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Hold up there. Madara has shown no intellectual prowess at all. Ever. I don't know what he has done that would make him seem smarter than Itachi. And Orochimaru is an...interesting case. Why do you think Orochimaru is more intelligent than Itachi?
You don't read the manga, do you? You're one of those people who just looks at the pictures, aren't you?

You need to read or re-read Shippuden if you think Madara hasn't shown any intellectual feats.
 

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Well being smart and being intelligent are entirely different things. Also Sasuke has shown us utter idiocy, trying to fight Killer Bee with no intel and getting killed twice, as well as trying to fight the five kage and getting completely wrecked.

I think (and this literally just occurred to me) that smart-intelligent is like math-physics. Physics is the application of math in the real world. There are people who are brilliant math students but struggle with physics because they lack the intelligence to deduce exactly how their mathematical knowledge should be applied to a physics problem. Intelligence is applied smarts, the ability to actually use what you know to help you in real life. I hope this makes sense
Though one can say Itachi was the biggest idiot for going through with what Danzo told him.. Just saying..
 

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You overrate Itachi too much. He has shown hardly knowledge of the history.. simply has given wise words from what he experienced. In reality those wisdom have been put into simpler words by others also..

I mean hell all the Sanin are superior to him intellectual prowess if you look at it. Why ? Experience.

Lol no. How exactly does Itachi hardly know knowledge of History? 90 % Of the things he spoke to Sasuke pre death were Purposeful lies about Madara so that Sasuke would paint him as a villain. Out of that what else?

He accurately described in detail izanami and izanagi as well as its history and how it was developed.
Knew all about Minato, Kushina and how their history
Mentioned and had knowledge on Hashirama , his dna and how it boost Uchiha abilities
Got a maxed score in History on his academy report card

Huh?
Where exactly is the "Hardly" in comparison to others?


I mean hell all the Sanin are superior to him intellectual prowess
That's not how intellectual prowess works. Check Kakuzu's fight for an example.
 
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i seem to recall that shikamaru was in sasuke's class but his lazyness cost him a spot above sasuke
 

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OP just mad because nardo is as intellectually capable as a testicle.
 

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OT:Sasuke is a genius.Even people like Orochimaru and Kakashi considers him to be one and he proved himself to be a genius on more than one occasion.



Able to reproduce Itachi's Shurikenjutsu
Took chidori and created multiple jutsu
Tamed lightning
Broke Orochimaru's "unbreakable" genjutsu world with will alone.
Broke tsukuyomi
Broke the CM Danzo used to enslave all of root
Invented Enton: Kagatsuchi mid battle against fastest current Kages
Out foxed Danzo who spammed Izanagi, the ultimate uchiha Kinjutsu
Sasuke= genius stop hating

Those feats hardly comes under the department of intelligence.


You should throw in the fact that Sasuke invented and mastered Enton in less than a week.

Even a cry baby like Uchiha Obito showed better mastery over his newly awakened MS so there is nothing special about Sasuke here.
 
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