I don't see how Sasuke is a genius or Indra.

[assface3]

The word genius can be labeled by different aspects. The way you are using genius is for a person's intelligence, their ability to gather, retain, and pally the knowledge a person has. But you can judge someone to be a genius in any aspect.

Michael Jordan may not be a genius in Quantum physics and he's a genius in the sport of basketball. If you judged a fish's intelligence based on it's ability to climb a tree, you'll think that fish is an idiot. But if you judge its intelligence on its ability to swim, you'll think that fish is a genius. The metaphor applies here: Sasuke is a genius in the sense of battle and fighting. He's not a book smart genius.

The way I have been using "genius", prior to that post, is in the sense of "prodigy" (which is how it is used in the NV).

prod·i·gy - a person, especially a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability: a musical prodigy.

When I think of "genius", I think of Kakashi, Orochimaru, or Itachi - people who apply their prodigy to several aspects (fighting, philosophy, biology, etc.).

Considering that Shikamaru looked up to the guy, Orochimaru called his own genius pitiful before his, Jiraiya referred to him as a Natural Prodigy, Lee called him a Genius that surpasses the imagination, Kakashi called him a Genius and an extremely talented individual, Chee called him a rare genius - it kinda renders whatever you say void and nothing but your own concocted story.

Please, spare us.

Don't be so credulous. Just because people call you something doesn't mean you are. Sasuke hasn't displayed anything intellectual to be considered a genius, IMO. A "prodigious" shinobi? Yeah, I agree, to some extent. A "genius"? No.

 

[Chie]

It all depends upon your definition of "genius". People have varying definitions of it. To me, he's a genius because he's strategic and is able to notice his opponent's weaknesses quickly in battle. That and what Shiro Yaksha posted.

 

[shelke]

Don't be so credulous. Just because people call you something doesn't mean you are. Sasuke hasn't displayed anything intellectual to be considered a genius, IMO. A "prodigious" shinobi? Yeah, I agree, to some extent. A "genius"? No.

That is your own interpretation then, not something that coincides with what the manga has repeatedly stated and shown. He is one of the few shinobis who break apart his opponents' tactics brick by brick, and come up with quick-silver strategies on the spot. When there are feats and characters' dialogues to support it, then is there is no room for argument.

You can say that you do not agree with this, but the author has made it quite clear.

 

[assface3]

That is your own interpretation then, not something that coincides with what the manga has repeatedly stated and shown. He is one of the few shinobis who break apart his opponents' tactics brick by brick, and come up with quick-silver strategies on the spot. When there are feats and characters' dialogues to support it, then is there is no room for argument.

You can say that you do not agree with this, but the author has made it quite clear.

I'm simply agreeing with the OP, who thinks the way I do; by most people of modern times, Sasuke wouldn't be considered a genius; maybe in Fuedal Japan, he would be considered a genius swordsman or something, but not in the sense of intelligence, which is how "genius" is mostly used in our generation.

Small-time on-the-go tactics and deduction doesn't mean you're a genius, by modern standards.

No one calls Goku a genius.

 

[Dannie]

I wonder if Sasuke makes Naruto look like a straight up fool.

 

[UCE]

I wonder if Sasuke makes Naruto look like a straight up fool.

LMFAO this^^

 

[shelke]

I'm simply agreeing with the OP, who thinks the way I do; by most people of modern times, Sasuke wouldn't be considered a genius; maybe in Fuedal Japan, he would be considered a genius swordsman or something, but not in the sense of intelligence, which is how "genius" is mostly used in our generation.

Small-time on-the-go tactics and deduction doesn't mean you're a genius, by modern standards.

No one calls Goku a genius.

What modern standards are you applying to the rest of them? Feudal Japan Or something? All characters you have listed make strategies, and those are not any better - in fact, sometimes quite pedestrian - compared to the likes of Sasuke, yet I do not see you factoring this in at all.

Philosophy makes Itachi more intelligent? Kakashi is a fighter so he's obviously ahead? This hardly makes any sense. I doubt Itachi owns a PHD in abstract philosophy - most of it is quite laughable for someone like me, who has actually studied it - and Kakashi's fighter status granting him a genius status and not Sasuke brings you to square one, as his Kamui usage for quite a while isn't even strategic based.

As for people stating so, then it's a manga. Every dialogue counts. It holds value. You devaluing it isn't making any sense to me. Even people in real life don't call anyone intelligent without seeing some merits in them.

 

[assface3]

I wonder if Sasuke makes Naruto look like a straight up fool.

I was under the impression Naruto was a fool.

 

[Owarij]

Able to reproduce Itachi's Shurikenjutsu
Took chidori and created multiple jutsu
Tamed lightning
Broke Orochimaru's "unbreakable" genjutsu world with will alone.
Broke tsukuyomi
Broke the CM Danzo used to enslave all of root
Invented Enton: Kagatsuchi mid battle against fastest current Kages
Out foxed Danzo who spammed Izanagi, the ultimate uchiha Kinjutsu
Sasuke= genius stop hating

Sasuke is not able to reproduce Itachi's ShruikenJutsu.
60% Of what you listed have nothing to do with genius aptitude tbh.

As for the OP

Itachi was without a doubt more of a Prodigy Genius than Sasuke was. Prodigy meaning a young person with exceptional talent. We've seen there past , Sasuke struggled to keep up and inevitably could not become better than his brother no matter what he tried at. Age of unlocking sharingan, age of using Katon etc. But that's because his benchmark was a man the academy teacher hyped to be the greatest genius since the foundation of the academy

Sasuke is a genius in his own way and right. You can call him a "late bloomer" who's current growth at 16 is moving faster than any of Itachi's god given talent could allow him. This doesn't mean he wasn't still a genius back then. He still graduated at the top of his class, still was considered the best of his year (tied with neji) He just was never super prodigy genius level.. He will mostlikely continue to grow and surpass anything a non sick MS Itachi Would have become

 

[Mocchi]

i think indra is more genius than sasuke

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

sasuke most smart of al ppl I c...He mor smart tan itachi and madara

 

[assface3]

Sasuke is not able to reproduce Itachi's ShruikenJutsu.
60% Of what you listed have nothing to do with genius aptitude tbh.

As for the OP

Itachi was without a doubt more of a Prodigy Genius than Sasuke was. Prodigy meaning a young person with exceptional talent. We've seen there past , Sasuke struggled to keep up and inevitably could not become better than his brother no matter what he tried at. Age of unlocking sharingan, age of using Katon etc. But that's because his benchmark was a man the academy teacher hyped to be the greatest genius since the foundation of the academy

Sasuke is a genius in his own way and right. You can call him a "late bloomer" who's current growth at 16 is moving faster than any of Itachi's god given talent could allow him. This doesn't mean he wasn't still a genius back then. He still graduated at the top of his class, still was considered the best of his year (tied with neji) He just was never super prodigy genius level.. He will mostlikely continue to grow and surpass anything a non sick MS Itachi Would have become

Once he starts showing complex intellectual feats, I will give him the title of "late bloomer".

As of now, he is simply showcasing "prodigious" skills in fighting; that's it.

You went too far when you said, "He will mostlikely continue to grow and surpass anything a non sick MS Itachi Would have become." Non sick MS Itachi would have still been a better observer, tactician, and overall intellect than current Sasuke, and I don't see Sasuke surpassing his brother in those categories anytime soon.

 

[Owarij]

Once he starts showing complex intellectual feats, I will give him the title of "late bloomer".

As of now, he is simply showcasing "prodigious" skills in fighting; that's it.

You went too far when you said, "He will mostlikely continue to grow and surpass anything a non sick MS Itachi Would have become." Non sick MS Itachi would have still been a better observer, tactician, and overall intellect than current Sasuke, and I don't see Sasuke surpassing his brother in those categories anytime soon.

I'm reffering to his skill in being a ninja genius. It is true Itachi would prob have the edge in the intelligence department, but that's not all there is in a fight.

And sasuke has shown enough intelligence feats in battle to be considered a Intellectual genius.
The error in your argument is your stating that anyone who isn't Itachi level in regards to intellect isn't a genius.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I wouldn't say he's a complete loser, but I also don't think he's a genius of Kakashi/Itachi-caliber. He has never really won a single important fight on his own without some sort of assistance. He lost outright to Gaara. I guess he beat Naruto at the Valley of the End though. The Deidara fight was kind of bs imo, and it pushed him to his limits anyway. Itachi was sick and holding back and still outlasted Sasuke. Bee actually killed him twice. Danzo fought like an idiot and Karin revealed the workings of Izanagi to Sasuke (he might've figured it out on his own though; I can't remember). The other Kage kind of dumpstered him. And just now Madara just casually turned around and impaled him with his own blade. That image is honestly pretty hilarious to me; Madara looks so nonchalant. He has absolutely no fear of Sasuke's power.


However, he has shown that he is highly skilled and innovative. I would say that he is definitely talented and capable, but I wouldn't call him a genius. Just gifted. Until he shows me otherwise

 

[assface3]

What modern standards are you applying to the rest of them? Feudal Japan Or something? All characters you have listed make strategies, and those are not any better - in fact, sometimes quite pedestrian - compared to the likes of Sasuke, yet I do not see you factoring this in at all.

Philosophy makes Itachi more intelligent? Kakashi is a fighter so he's obviously ahead? This hardly makes any sense. I doubt Itachi owns a PHD in abstract philosophy - most of it is quite laughable for someone like me, who has actually studied it - and Kakashi's fighter status granting him a genius status and not Sasuke brings you to square one, as his Kamui usage for quite a while isn't even strategic based.

As for people stating so, then it's a manga. Every dialogue counts. It holds value. You devaluing it isn't making any sense to me. Even people in real life don't call anyone intelligent without seeing some merits in them.

When people call Sasuke a genius in the manga, it's obviously in the sense of "prodigious fighter". Not intellect, strategic aptitude, or anything else.

I, for one, don't care what you have a PHD in. At least the real-world logic I'm stating is comparable to NV logic.

Either way, a fanboy is a fanboy and there's no changing that; I'm done with you.

I'm reffering to his skill in being a ninja genius. It is true Itachi would prob have the edge in the intelligence department, but that's not all there is in a fight.

And sasuke has shown enough intelligence feats in battle to be considered a Intellectual genius.
The error in your argument is your stating that anyone who isn't Itachi level in regards to intellect isn't a genius.

Sasuke has not shown enough feats to be regarded as an intellectual genius when "genius", in an intellectual sense, is usually used to describe people like Orochimaru, Shikamaru, Kakashi, Itachi, or Kabuto.

And I don't remember saying anything like that; you seem to be under the misconception that I'm an Itachi fanboy. I'll easily admit that Madara's or Orochimaru's overall intelligence dwarfs Itachi's overall intelligence, and Itachi is one of my favs.

 

[Tennis Robot]

And I don't remember saying anything like that; you seem to be under the misconception that I'm an Itachi fanboy. I'll easily admit that Madara's or Orochimaru's overall intelligence dwarfs Itachi's overall intelligence, and Itachi is one of my favs.

Hold up there. Madara has shown no intellectual prowess at all. Ever. I don't know what he has done that would make him seem smarter than Itachi. And Orochimaru is an...interesting case. Why do you think Orochimaru is more intelligent than Itachi?

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke is a genius with good battle sense.....just like indra.

 

[Owarij]

When people call Sasuke a genius in the manga, it's obviously in the sense of "prodigious fighter". Not intellect, strategic aptitude, or anything else.

I, for one, don't care what you have a PHD in. At least the real-world logic I'm stating is comparable to NV logic.

Either way, a fanboy is a fanboy and there's no changing that; I'm done with you.


Sasuke has not shown enough feats to be regarded as an intellectual genius when "genius", in an intellectual sense, is usually used to describe people like Orochimaru, Shikamaru, Kakashi, Itachi, or Kabuto.

And I don't remember saying anything like that; you seem to be under the misconception that I'm an Itachi fanboy. I'll easily admit that Madara's or Orochimaru's overall intelligence dwarfs Itachi's overall intelligence, and Itachi is one of my favs.

as an intellectual genius when "genius", in an intellectual sense

And what is that exactly? Intelligence is an ubrella term for many different categories.. Analytical ability, knowledge etc..
All of those people excel at different things. Sasuke has his strong points and weak points. So does Orochimaru. Are we forgetting as smart as oro is he still decided to make eye contact with an uchiha? then acted suprised when he was put in a genjutsu? Orochimaru hasn't shown the kind of intelligence in battle that Kakashi has.. I.e strategical abilitiy, breaking down jutsu with glances and forming plans. Sasuke has. He has done it in both his fights with Danzo and deidara. You're understimating him

 

[KingHashirama]

Kishimoto .. well not really kishimoto.. but the people who call others "geniuses" in NARUTO don't know what the hell they be saying sometimes.. X_X. Its beyond stupid.

Indra was a genius because was good in warfar.. but the guy who gathering people and etc wasn't a genius.. nice logic being used. X_X

Hold up there. Madara has shown no intellectual prowess at all. Ever. I don't know what he has done that would make him seem smarter than Itachi. And Orochimaru is an...interesting case. Why do you think Orochimaru is more intelligent than Itachi?

You overrate Itachi too much. He has shown hardly knowledge of the history.. simply has given wise words from what he experienced. In reality those wisdom have been put into simpler words by others also..

I mean hell all the Sanin are superior to him intellectual prowess if you look at it. Why ? Experience.

 

[assface3]

And what is that exactly? Intelligence is an ubrella term for many different categories.. Analytical ability, knowledge etc..
All of those people excel at different things. Sasuke has his strong points and weak points. So does Orochimaru. Are we forgetting as smart as oro is he still decided to make eye contact with an uchiha? then acted suprised when he was put in a genjutsu? Orochimaru hasn't shown the kind of intelligence in battle that Kakashi has.. I.e strategical abilitiy, breaking down jutsu with glances and forming plans. Sasuke has. He has done it in both his fights with Danzo and deidara. You're understimating him

You're right, but he's "adept" in those area's you mentioned, IMO. Am I wrong in saying that Itachi's strategical ability and ability to break down Jutsu with glances outclass Sasuke's by quite a bit? It's because, while Sasuke is an "adept" in those categories, he isn't a "genius".

I know that "intelligence" is an umbrella term, but Sasuke lacks expertise in any of the categories under than umbrella to be considered a "genius" in a modern-sense, IMO.