[Discussion] I dont know what to think about Kenpachi

[Djokovic]

The way he went down just doesnt feel right...
In my eyes a meteor in Bleach world is not that impressive.
Space pressure is kinda on a nother level, but we are talking about Zaraki here. I just feel like he went down too easy, even with his eye patch on.

How can you let someone of his caliber, the one who even yamato feared go down vs fodders.

Remember Unohana's words wehn she said there were stronger opponents waiting for him, hinting he would fight Bach?

This is bad writing if you ask me.

 

[Styles]

He was nerfed and got beat up so Ichigo can have a good entrence.

 

[LuckyMan]

He's just not as strong as he was made out to be. The strongest captain is Shunsui, no debate. Those people were also not fodders. They are elite quincy, all of them captain level or higher and gremmy was extremely powerful and gave Kenpachi a hard time.

 

[Zealotic]

He should have died in the space room tbh lel

 

[Nebula]

I also thought he was taken down easily.

 

[Killuaa]

He's gonna get back up.

 

[sravan]

kubo cant afford to make him go allout and others SS members should take active part in fight.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

The way he went down just doesnt feel right...
In my eyes a meteor in Bleach world is not that impressive.
Space pressure is kinda on a nother level, but we are talking about Zaraki here. I just feel like he went down too easy, even with his eye patch on.

How can you let someone of his caliber, the one who even yamato feared go down vs fodders.

Remember Unohana's words wehn she said there were stronger opponents waiting for him, hinting he would fight Bach?

This is bad writing if you ask me.

Lol went down easy? After what gremmy did to him his body was worn down alot..zaraki is not immortal he can be hurt if hit to much just have to be strong attacks like what gremmy did.

 

[Memento Mori]

I think he will be back again

 

[Shiroyasha]

The way he went down just doesnt feel right...
In my eyes a meteor in Bleach world is not that impressive.
Space pressure is kinda on a nother level, but we are talking about Zaraki here. I just feel like he went down too easy, even with his eye patch on.

How can you let someone of his caliber, the one who even yamato feared go down vs fodders.

Remember Unohana's words wehn she said there were stronger opponents waiting for him, hinting he would fight Bach?

This is bad writing if you ask me.

Lol Yamamoto never feared Zaraki. He was willing to train him, because he knew that even if Zaraki attempted to rebel, he could easily kill him. But Central 46 thought differently.. They assumed that he would eventually rebel and that would be a problem, which is why they ordered Yamamoto to stop training him after a single day.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Zaraki still didn't impress me to the level of top top.

Current Zaraki is above Unohana, but still level below Urahara, Isshin or Shinigami Aizen.

Tho, by the end of series, he should surpass them with his Bankai.

 

[ssjelf]

I think it set up a great entrance for Ichigo but unfortunately he did not blitz those 4 like I thought he was gonna and like he shoulda. At least he tanked some attacks that seemingly took down Zaraki. I am okay with Zaraki being taken down by 4 opponents like that, I mean you can't take on 4 of the most powerful people like that, but I think it was a waste to have him go down there if Ichigo did nothing with the spectacular entrance he got.

 

[Zeta42]

It's the same as when Ulquiorra was revealed to be the 4th, not the 1st Espada. When it happened, it became clear that Ichigo had become stronger, but still had a long way to go. Same with Kenpachi. Maybe he'll learn bankai next.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Lol Yamamoto never feared Zaraki. He was willing to train him, because he knew that even if Zaraki attempted to rebel, he could easily kill him. But Central 46 thought differently.. They assumed that he would eventually rebel and that would be a problem, which is why they ordered Yamamoto to stop training him after a single day.

Manga says Yama feared him

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Zaraki still didn't impress me to the level of top top.

Current Zaraki is above Unohana, but still level below Urahara, Isshin or Shinigami Aizen.

Tho, by the end of series, he should surpass them with his Bankai.

Lol zaraki below urahara, isshin lol stop zaraki is clearly above then they shown nothing to put them on zaraki level of power..nobody in the show could have tanked the damage he took from gremmy the way he did.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Both Isshin and Urahara are strong or even stronger than Shinigami Aizen.

Zaraki without shikai, is not even more powerful than Full powered Unohana. With shikai he surpass her, but there is quite a gap between Unohana and Isshin/Urahara.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Both Isshin and Urahara are strong or even stronger than Shinigami Aizen.

Zaraki without shikai, is not even more powerful than Full powered Unohana. With shikai he surpass her, but there is quite a gap between Unohana and Isshin/Urahara.

I still don't see what isshin an urahara have that's greater than KS..an a healthy aizen that is not reaching the limits of his body would probably curb stomp isshin an urahara in there shikai forms.

Well sense zaraki without shikai killed her recently an in the past ill have to say ur lyin an zaraki needed his patch off inorder to beat her that just shows you how strong she is...yea there is quite a gap cuz she would stomp those two in the ground.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Isshin already beat him.
2. AIzen own words were that they he is on same level as Urahara.

KS is just his zanpakuto, he has one hell ability, but by also his own words, Shinigamis battles are battles of reiatsu, so as long as you have bigger reiatsu you could negate ability of other zanpakuto (just like Aizen did against Sui Feng).

Urahara even without a zanpakuto is capable of producing kido that can beat any Shinigami (including Aizen).

Well sense zaraki without shikai killed her recently an in the past ill have to say ur lyin an zaraki needed his patch off inorder to beat her that just shows you how strong she is...yea there is quite a gap cuz she would stomp those two in the ground.

Zaraki without his shikai is not on level of his child form...

Child Zaraki defeated full powered Unohana.
Muken Zaraki also defeated Unohana, but not full powered, she need to heal him after every fight. That mean that after fights, Zaraki started fresh, unlike Unohana who needed to use her healing ability and she on top of that was battleworn by her previous fight.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Isshin already beat him.
2. AIzen own words were that they he is on same level as Urahara.

KS is just his zanpakuto, he has one hell ability, but by also his own words, Shinigamis battles are battles of reiatsu, so as long as you have bigger reiatsu you could negate ability of other zanpakuto (just like Aizen did against Sui Feng).

Urahara even without a zanpakuto is capable of producing kido that can beat any Shinigami (including Aizen).



Zaraki without his shikai is not on level of his child form...

Child Zaraki defeated full powered Unohana.
Muken Zaraki also defeated Unohana, but not full powered, she need to heal him after every fight. That mean that after fights, Zaraki started fresh, unlike Unohana who needed to use her healing ability and she on top of that was battleworn by her previous fight.

Again isshin bet a aizen that was worn out cuz the hogyoku had started taking over plus he did not use KS at all.

On the same level when thoe we don't know when in time he is referring to..shikai urahara has no chance at beating all thoes captains an vizards that aizen beat mabey bankai urahara can beat them but shikai urahara is a no...even gin stated aizen was basically unbeatable an not just because of ks but because he strong.

You can't negate KS that don't even make sense Yama spirtual pressure is higher than aizen's an he aint negate KS so how urahara gone do it or isshin for that matter?

Yea kido that aizen purposely took just to make uarahra feel good about himself if aizen was on his guard urahara kido woul have never landed.

unohana whole purpose in that training was to get him back to how he was in his child form an that's what she did an now he has a shikai to add on to it..that's why unohana told him most his fights will be child's play now.

Um no she used her bankai an everything unlike she did in the past..she can swing her sword around forever without being tired she can also heal herself aswell an I believe that's wat she was doing..she said she will slay him thousands of times untill he returns to his old self again.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Again isshin bet a aizen that was worn out cuz the hogyoku had started taking over plus he did not use KS at all.

On the same level when thoe we don't know when in time he is referring to..shikai urahara has no chance at beating all thoes captains an vizards that aizen beat mabey bankai urahara can beat them but shikai urahara is a no...even gin stated aizen was basically unbeatable an not just because of ks but because he strong.

You can't negate KS that don't even make sense Yama spirtual pressure is higher than aizen's an he aint negate KS so how urahara gone do it or isshin for that matter?

Yea kido that aizen purposely took just to make uarahra feel good about himself if aizen was on his guard urahara kido woul have never landed.

unohana whole purpose in that training was to get him back to how he was in his child form an that's what she did an now he has a shikai to add on to it..that's why unohana told him most his fights will be child's play now.

Um no she used her bankai an everything unlike she did in the past..she can swing her sword around forever without being tired she can also heal herself aswell an I believe that's wat she was doing..she said she will slay him thousands of times untill he returns to his old self again.

I Lol'd at ''Most fights will be childs Play". She says that, and yet he got owned by 4 girls. Isshin is stronger than Zaraki. Remember what he did to Aizen? He sent him flying with just a finger. Remember how Isshin was fighting that Vasto Lorde Hollow? And she NEVER healed herself. I'd like to know where you saw that.

Look, Zaraki is strong. Real strong. But against Urahara? NOPE. We've never even seen Urahara go all out. He barely fights, and when he does, he's playing around. And about the training thingy :

Kenpachi was forced by Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto to learn Kendō because he had not learned any formal swordsmanship training, having bypassed those normally necessary qualifications due to the way he attained his position. Central 46 ordered Yamamoto to stop the training after one day, as they became concerned that if Zaraki realized his full potential and rebelled, he could become an unstoppable force.

There ya go.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Again isshin bet a aizen that was worn out cuz the hogyoku had started taking over plus he did not use KS at all.

Isshin didn't use his shikai either. Isshin send Aizen flaying. Aizen battle worn with just a couple of swings of swords? Ok, Hogyoku was already there to heal him.

On the same level when thoe we don't know when in time he is referring to..shikai urahara has no chance at beating all thoes captains an vizards that aizen beat mabey bankai urahara can beat them but shikai urahara is a no...even gin stated aizen was basically unbeatable an not just because of ks but because he strong.

Even without Benihime, Urahara is still a beast. Look at all his kido feats against Aizen and kido that would killed Aizen if he didn't had hogyoku.

Yes, I see Urahara dealing with these captains in the similar manner.

So we have Gin statament about Aizen being unbeatable, and Aizen's statament about him being non unbeatable and equal with Urahara.... Which one do you believe???

You can't negate KS that don't even make sense Yama spirtual pressure is higher than aizen's an he aint negate KS so how urahara gone do it or isshin for that matter?

Who said that he would not negate? Yamamoto after feeling Aizen's reiatsu, was sure that he will be able to take him down, even though Yama didn't have his zanpakuto.

Yea kido that aizen purposely took just to make uarahra feel good about himself if aizen was on his guard urahara kido woul have never landed.

That's not true. It was stated that he would not be able to cast kido that easily, because Aizen would be on guard, but Urahara is still smarter than Aizen..... So there is possibility that he would be able to land a kido on Aizen, just it won't be so easy. Ofc, there is also possibility that he wouldn't be able to do so.

Either way, the only one maybe capable of avoiding kido is Aizen. All other captains are not strong or smart as Aizen, so all other shinigamis should be affected by kido... Which was my point in the first place.

unohana whole purpose in that training was to get him back to how he was in his child form an that's what she did an now he has a shikai to add on to it..that's why unohana told him most his fights will be child's play now.

I just explained about why she couldn't brought him back on his 100% power.

Um no she used her bankai an everything unlike she did in the past..she can swing her sword around forever without being tired she can also heal herself aswell an I believe that's wat she was doing..she said she will slay him thousands of times untill he returns to his old self again.

As long as I remember, she used bankai in their fight long ago.

I don't thing that she was healing herself, but even if she did, it would just provide my point here, because when you heal yourself, you also lose reiatsu and you are going tired.