[Discussion] I dont know what to think about Kenpachi

[Memento Mori]

dat unstoppable force hype tho

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Isshin didn't use his shikai either. Isshin send Aizen flaying. Aizen battle worn with just a couple of swings of swords? Ok, Hogyoku was already there to heal him.



Even without Benihime, Urahara is still a beast. Look at all his kido feats against Aizen and kido that would killed Aizen if he didn't had hogyoku.

Yes, I see Urahara dealing with these captains in the similar manner.

So we have Gin statament about Aizen being unbeatable, and Aizen's statament about him being non unbeatable and equal with Urahara.... Which one do you believe???



Who said that he would not negate? Yamamoto after feeling Aizen's reiatsu, was sure that he will be able to take him down, even though Yama didn't have his zanpakuto.



That's not true. It was stated that he would not be able to cast kido that easily, because Aizen would be on guard, but Urahara is still smarter than Aizen..... So there is possibility that he would be able to land a kido on Aizen, just it won't be so easy. Ofc, there is also possibility that he wouldn't be able to do so.

Either way, the only one maybe capable of avoiding kido is Aizen. All other captains are not strong or smart as Aizen, so all other shinigamis should be affected by kido... Which was my point in the first place.



I just explained about why she couldn't brought him back on his 100% power.



As long as I remember, she used bankai in their fight long ago.

I don't thing that she was healing herself, but even if she did, it would just provide my point here, because when you heal yourself, you also lose reiatsu and you are going tired.

Like i stated before KS is way way better than isshin shikai weather it's getsuga tensho or some fire ability...yea even isshin stated aizen was slowing down...I know the hogyoku was there the whole time but it did not start to take over untill his fight with isshin.

Anybody who performs that much kido can kill somebody of course but if his opponent actually was trying to avoid the kido it would have not looked so good...lol let urahara try useing all that kido while fighting all those captains an vizards he has no chance of getting it off he would have gotten beat down that's why even unohana said ichigo was the only one with a real chance at beating aizen cuz he had not seen his ks yet.

If aizen is useing ks then I believe gin statement if aizen is not useing ks then yes urahara has a good chance at beating him.

No he won't gone to negate nothing he was going to try an let aizen land a blow then counter by grabbing his sword like he did the first time around he's tough he an do that unlike urahara..an if Yama could negate his ability he would have done so from the start.

Yea he can cast it anybody can cast kido but it has to land inorder to be successful..yea if urahara useing his kido on the sneak he will land it probaly an anybody can be hurt by kido don't matter who you are..

How did you explain?...she fought with the same energy the whole battle an if she got cut or anything she would heal herself..an like I said she even used bankai this time around an unlocked all his shackles, even zaraki spoke on it while they were fighting.

Um no she used no bankai in there fight when zaraki was a kid..She was happy an energized the while fight its just that zaraki was becoming a better an better fighter.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I Lol'd at ''Most fights will be childs Play". She says that, and yet he got owned by 4 girls. Isshin is stronger than Zaraki. Remember what he did to Aizen? He sent him flying with just a finger. Remember how Isshin was fighting that Vasto Lorde Hollow? And she NEVER healed herself. I'd like to know where you saw that.

Look, Zaraki is strong. Real strong. But against Urahara? NOPE. We've never even seen Urahara go all out. He barely fights, and when he does, he's playing around. And about the training thingy :

There ya go.

Yea an once thoes 4 girls came he had already tooken major damage that no other captain would have been able to live threw plus his eye patch was on an his shikai was deactivated...unohana was referring to a zaraki fighting at full power witch he has not done sense his training with unohana...yea isshin was fighting a aizen that had reached his limits an the hogyoku wa trying to take over plus he won't useing ks like before...we don't even know the actually power of that hollow thing isshin was fighting anyway...

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this is her healing her self.

We have not seen current zaraki go all out ether no eye patch with shikai an two hands on his sword...urahra is not on zaraki level in power everyone knows that...tell me about how shikai urahara can destroy a meteor? Lol ulquiorra slapped his attack away with one hand weak stuff lol.

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clearly the central 46 guy says Yama feared his power CLEARLY.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Like i stated before KS is way way better than isshin shikai weather it's getsuga tensho or some fire ability...yea even isshin stated aizen was slowing down...I know the hogyoku was there the whole time but it did not start to take over untill his fight with isshin.

KS ability is overrated as hell and can be countered. Shinigamis battles are battles of reiatsu, shikai will just boost his reiatsu to the level when he still will be above Aizen. Aizen was slowing down, because he was weaker than Isshin. Hogyoku was still active, it just didn't transform. You can see that Hogyoku healed his wounds when Ichigo cut Aizen with GT, prior to Aizen's arrival, so yes, Aizen wasn't battle worn at all.

Anybody who performs that much kido can kill somebody of course but if his opponent actually was trying to avoid the kido it would have not looked so good...lol let urahara try useing all that kido while fighting all those captains an vizards he has no chance of getting it off he would have gotten beat down that's why even unohana said ichigo was the only one with a real chance at beating aizen cuz he had not seen his ks yet.

The only one who could be capable of avoiding Urahara's strongest showed kido is Aizen (and that's not sure). I don't think that other captains are on guard as Aizen.

Also, Aizen did slaughter all that captains, while they were battle worn and purely because of his hax ability. One could agrue that Urahara can't beat them like Aizen did, but as I said Aizen's shikai is very hax and very good in fighting multiple opponents. For the record also Kubo himself said that Kyoraku if he used bankai would put far better fight against Bankai Aizen. He even said that he would win, but he left for us to choose whould he be able to beat just Shikai Aizen or Bankai Aizen.

Unohana's statament is wrong, because
1. It was proven that Ichigo she was referring to is no match for Aizen, even thought he didn't saw his shikai,
2. Aizen's stataments about Urahara's strength.
3. Isshin vs Aizen battle
4. Aizen said that he will be fodderized by Yama if he had to go 1 vs 1.

No he won't gone to negate nothing he was going to try an let aizen land a blow then counter by grabbing his sword like he did the first time around he's tough he an do that unlike urahara..an if Yama could negate his ability he would have done so from the start.

What are you saying.

Aizen didn't use KS on Yamamato so he can't negate ability.

How did you explain?...she fought with the same energy the whole battle an if she got cut or anything she would heal herself..an like I said she even used bankai this time around an unlocked all his shackles, even zaraki spoke on it while they were fighting.

That won't change my point here, healing also need power, so she when healing herself lose her power.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Yea an once thoes 4 girls came he had already tooken major damage that no other captain would have been able to live threw plus his eye patch was on an his shikai was deactivated...unohana was referring to a zaraki fighting at full power witch he has not done sense his training with unohana...yea isshin was fighting a aizen that had reached his limits an the hogyoku wa trying to take over plus he won't useing ks like before...we don't even know the actually power of that hollow thing isshin was fighting anyway...

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this is her healing her self.

We have not seen current zaraki go all out ether no eye patch with shikai an two hands on his sword...urahra is not on zaraki level in power everyone knows that...tell me about how shikai urahara can destroy a meteor? Lol ulquiorra slapped his attack away with one hand weak stuff lol.

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clearly the central 46 guy says Yama feared his power CLEARLY.

LOL I'm not even going to start this shit again. You're clearly a Kenpachi fanboy, and it's amazing how you're so ignorant that you can't even see it. So yeah, whatever floats your boat. Keep thinking that Zaraki is the ''strongest'' while Urahara heads off to the Royal Palace to face off with Haschwalch.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

KS ability is overrated as hell and can be countered. Shinigamis battles are battles of reiatsu, shikai will just boost his reiatsu to the level when he still will be above Aizen. Aizen was slowing down, because he was weaker than Isshin. Hogyoku was still active, it just didn't transform. You can see that Hogyoku healed his wounds when Ichigo cut Aizen with GT, prior to Aizen's arrival, so yes, Aizen wasn't battle worn at all.



The only one who could be capable of avoiding Urahara's strongest showed kido is Aizen (and that's not sure). I don't think that other captains are on guard as Aizen.

Also, Aizen did slaughter all that captains, while they were battle worn and purely because of his hax ability. One could agrue that Urahara can't beat them like Aizen did, but as I said Aizen's shikai is very hax and very good in fighting multiple opponents. For the record also Kubo himself said that Kyoraku if he used bankai would put far better fight against Bankai Aizen. He even said that he would win, but he left for us to choose whould he be able to beat just Shikai Aizen or Bankai Aizen.

Unohana's statament is wrong, because
1. It was proven that Ichigo she was referring to is no match for Aizen, even thought he didn't saw his shikai,
2. Aizen's stataments about Urahara's strength.
3. Isshin vs Aizen battle
4. Aizen said that he will be fodderized by Yama if he had to go 1 vs 1.



What are you saying.

Aizen didn't use KS on Yamamato so he can't negate ability.



That won't change my point here, healing also need power, so she when healing herself lose her power.

Ks is overrated? Did you not see what he accomplished with it, every counter we seen for ks won't really work if aizen is serious an going for the kill..smh aizen was slowing down cuz his body was reaching its limits..yea it healed his wounds an at that time it had not taking over fully yet an then isshin came an talked to ichigo for sometime an once aizen an isshin started their battle it really started taking over causing aizen to reach the limits of his shinigami body.

Other captains like soi fon,byakuya or kyoraku even Yama will dodge it somehow zaraki would just let most of it hit him on purpose cuz he don't really care...lol you just said ks was overrated now it's amazing to you....I don't think it would matter if they where at full health aizen would of most likely still won,an yea I stated before kyoraku was strong probaly stronger than urahara...an where does kubo say this about kyoraku beating aizen cuz I've been looking for it for a while now?

She meant that he was the only one with a clear chance at landing an attack on aizen cuz he did not see ks..if ur under ks you really can't touch aizen unless he allows it..unless your reflexes are quick enough to grab him after he cuts you witch seems quite impossible...an his fight with isshin means nothing he won't useing ks same with urahara.

Go reread he did use it on Yama very early in there fight.

So then why don't zaraki also fit in this he was also fighting for a while she just kept healing him so he could continue never stated she was giving him more energy/stamina?...they are kenpachi's they can fighting for a long time.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

LOL I'm not even going to start this shit again. You're clearly a Kenpachi fanboy, and it's amazing how you're so ignorant that you can't even see it. So yeah, whatever floats your boat. Keep thinking that Zaraki is the ''strongest'' while Urahara heads off to the Royal Palace to face off with Haschwalch.

Yea it's kinda hard to argue against manga facts huh?

An no I'm not a zaraki fanboy it's just clear to see that he's on a whole new level now an this has been foreshadowed sense he entered the manga....I'm a Byakuya,yourichi an Yamamoto fan boy.

An urahara heading off to RR to face jugram means what?..who ever even said he was going?...an he most likely just gone get beat by jugram aswell.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Ks is overrated? Did you not see what he accomplished with it, every counter we seen for ks won't really work if aizen is serious an going for the kill..smh aizen was slowing down cuz his body was reaching its limits..yea it healed his wounds an at that time it had not taking over fully yet an then isshin came an talked to ichigo for sometime an once aizen an isshin started their battle it really started taking over causing aizen to reach the limits of his shinigami body.

Just because he beaten multiple captains, doesn't mean that he will be able to take Urahara/Isshin.
For the record, even though he had KS, he still lost to Isshin, said that Urahara is equal to him, and said that he is weaker than Yamamoto.
Hogyoku was healing him, which mean that he was fresh. He hit his limit, because he was weaker than Isshin.

Other captains like soi fon,byakuya or kyoraku even Yama will dodge it somehow zaraki would just let most of it hit him on purpose cuz he don't really care...lol you just said ks was overrated now it's amazing to you....I don't think it would matter if they where at full health aizen would of most likely still won,an yea I stated before kyoraku was strong probaly stronger than urahara...an where does kubo say this about kyoraku beating aizen cuz I've been looking for it for a while now?

Only ones that I see dodging it, would be Yama and probably Aizen, I don't see others.

It's amazing in one way, but overrated in other way. People overrating it because they aren't aware that it can be countered by myltiple ways. If KS is really unstopable, Aizen wouldn't lost to Isshin, Aizen wouldn't lost to Ichigo, Aizen wouldn't say that Yama is stronger than him and he wouldn't say that Urahara is his equal. Kubo also wouldn't say that Kyoraku has a chances against Aizen,

It's fair if you believe that Kyoraku is stronger than Urahara. I really doubt that, but it's ok. But that don't change a fact that Aizen said that Urahara is equal to him.

I will try finding source.

She meant that he was the only one with a clear chance at landing an attack on aizen cuz he did not see ks..if ur under ks you really can't touch aizen unless he allows it..unless your reflexes are quick enough to grab him after he cuts you witch seems quite impossible...an his fight with isshin means nothing he won't useing ks same with urahara.

Than again it was wrong. Since Yama, Isshin was able to land a hit on Aizen, as well as Urahara and Yoruichi.

Go reread he did use it on Yama very early in there fight.

He didn't. He just stab him and when Yama grab his hand, he was like "How do you know that arm you are holding now is my arm" and Yama said "Because I will never be wrong with sensing reiatsu through my body (something in that contest)", so that mean that Aizen who stabed Yama, was real Aizen and not illusion.

So then why don't zaraki also fit in this he was also fighting for a while she just kept healing him so he could continue never stated she was giving him more energy/stamina?...they are kenpachi's they can fighting for a long time.

She was healing him and when you got healed you are like a new, that's how shonen works. She didn't gibe him more energy, she just boosted his own energy.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Just because he beaten multiple captains, doesn't mean that he will be able to take Urahara/Isshin.
For the record, even though he had KS, he still lost to Isshin, said that Urahara is equal to him, and said that he is weaker than Yamamoto.
Hogyoku was healing him, which mean that he was fresh. He hit his limit, because he was weaker than Isshin.



Only ones that I see dodging it, would be Yama and probably Aizen, I don't see others.

It's amazing in one way, but overrated in other way. People overrating it because they aren't aware that it can be countered by myltiple ways. If KS is really unstopable, Aizen wouldn't lost to Isshin, Aizen wouldn't lost to Ichigo, Aizen wouldn't say that Yama is stronger than him and he wouldn't say that Urahara is his equal. Kubo also wouldn't say that Kyoraku has a chances against Aizen,

It's fair if you believe that Kyoraku is stronger than Urahara. I really doubt that, but it's ok. But that don't change a fact that Aizen said that Urahara is equal to him.

I will try finding source.



Than again it was wrong. Since Yama, Isshin was able to land a hit on Aizen, as well as Urahara and Yoruichi.



He didn't. He just stab him and when Yama grab his hand, he was like "How do you know that arm you are holding now is my arm" and Yama said "Because I will never be wrong with sensing reiatsu through my body (something in that contest)", so that mean that Aizen who stabed Yama, was real Aizen and not illusion.



She was healing him and when you got healed you are like a new, that's how shonen works. She didn't gibe him more energy, she just boosted his own energy.

Well we all know aizen was not usein ks he stopped after Yama was taken down...yea like I stated before they were probably equal in one spiritual pressure but aizen shikai ability is just better...hit his limit thanks to hyogyoku it was ready to take over fully.

Byakuya can block it with his petals,Yama praised kyoraku shunpo so I see him dodgeing it,ukitake shikai would send it back at urahra, soi fon is fast an mastered her wind shunko so she can probably counter it with her power or dodge it she can also create clones.

Like I stated before aizen stopped useing ks after Yama got defeated an ichigo never saw ks ritual so aizen can't use it on him..to me Yama in bankai form was the only thing that could stop aizen ks, that's untill we see some more bankai's..yea in the end I see kyoraku being stronger than urahara unless he came up with some other crazy kido or gadget.

Unohana did not know he was going to stop useing ks...an urahara an yourichi landed a hit on hogyoku aizen who no longer cared for defense an isshin I believe only landed that pluck thing against a worn out aizen..an yea Yama countered it but in the end unohana was right cuz ichigo was the only one strong enough to come close to putting a stop to aizen in the very end.

My fault I was thinking about how they showed it in the anime..but still that was Yama plan to stop ks so I know he can not negate it.

Then from her healing herself she should be as good as new aswell.

 

[kyuubiSanin]

he should be back pretty fast i think. i mean really, think about who you are talking about.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Well we all know aizen was not usein ks he stopped after Yama was taken down...yea like I stated before they were probably equal in one spiritual pressure but aizen shikai ability is just better...hit his limit thanks to hyogyoku it was ready to take over fully.

He hit his limit because he was weaker. He couldn't do anything agaisnt Isshin, Hogyoku feel that his 'master' is in dangerous and started transforming.

Byakuya can block it with his petals,Yama praised kyoraku shunpo so I see him dodgeing it,ukitake shikai would send it back at urahra, soi fon is fast an mastered her wind shunko so she can probably counter it with her power or dodge it she can also create clones.

Nothing to do with speed. First that kido to be casted, opponent need to touched two times. When that happen kido's going to activated from the inside, Ukitake and others can't counter that.

Like I stated before aizen stopped useing ks after Yama got defeated an ichigo never saw ks ritual so aizen can't use it on him..to me Yama in bankai form was the only thing that could stop aizen ks, that's untill we see some more bankai's..yea in the end I see kyoraku being stronger than urahara unless he came up with some other crazy kido or gadget.

Yama while without zanpakuto could stop Aizen.

Unohana did not know he was going to stop useing ks...an urahara an yourichi landed a hit on hogyoku aizen who no longer cared for defense an isshin I believe only landed that pluck thing against a worn out aizen..an yea Yama countered it but in the end unohana was right cuz ichigo was the only one strong enough to come close to putting a stop to aizen in the very end.

As I said, Yamamoto didn't feel like Aizen's abilities were much impressive. Which is proven with his stataments.

We saw two times KS being countered. By Gin and by Yamamoto in both cases KS was countered right when battle started, so what do you think Urahara would do as smarter of both Gin and Yamamoto. Wait for Aizen to make a first move?

My fault I was thinking about how they showed it in the anime..but still that was Yama plan to stop ks so I know he can not negate it.

Yama prior to that didn't knew full 'reserve' of Aizen's reiatsu. But he directly feelt Aizen's reiatsu, when latter stabbed him. After Yama feelt Aizen's reitasu he was sure that he can take Aizen down even without using of his zanpakuto.

Then from her healing herself she should be as good as new aswell.

No. She could heal her wounds. But healing requie reiatsu. She can't heal her reiatsu, with using her own reiatsu. It just don't make any sense.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

He hit his limit because he was weaker. He couldn't do anything agaisnt Isshin, Hogyoku feel that his 'master' is in dangerous and started transforming.



Nothing to do with speed. First that kido to be casted, opponent need to touched two times. When that happen kido's going to activated from the inside, Ukitake and others can't counter that.



Yama while without zanpakuto could stop Aizen.



As I said, Yamamoto didn't feel like Aizen's abilities were much impressive. Which is proven with his stataments.

We saw two times KS being countered. By Gin and by Yamamoto in both cases KS was countered right when battle started, so what do you think Urahara would do as smarter of both Gin and Yamamoto. Wait for Aizen to make a first move?



Yama prior to that didn't knew full 'reserve' of Aizen's reiatsu. But he directly feelt Aizen's reiatsu, when latter stabbed him. After Yama feelt Aizen's reitasu he was sure that he can take Aizen down even without using of his zanpakuto.



No. She could heal her wounds. But healing requie reiatsu. She can't heal her reiatsu, with using her own reiatsu. It just don't make any sense.

Nope hogyoku did it to him aizen explained it..hogyoku made him get rid of his shinigami self inorder to up grade him.

They all know to take caution when battling urahara cuz he's smart.

Not to sure on that.

Even hitsugiya said he was going to kill aizen but that failed...the way gin did it won't ever happen if aizen is on his guard...wat Yama did was lucky aizen could have easily slashed him instead of stabbing him...aizen is also smart so what you saying?

Yama already knew his spiritual pressure unless aizen was holding it back which he has no reason of doing so.

I also believe Yama with out his sword would have put up a good fight but most likely lost in the end.

She mastered her healing kido I doubt it even takes much from to heal somebody or her self she's a kenpachi they have loads an loads of stamina...plus like I already stated zaraki said all his shackles been released.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Nope hogyoku did it to him aizen explained it..hogyoku made him get rid of his shinigami self inorder to up grade him.

He 'up graded him' because he couldn't beat Isshin.

They all know to take caution when battling urahara cuz he's smart.

Urahara is smarter than them.

Not to sure on that.

Ok.

Even hitsugiya said he was going to kill aizen but that failed...the way gin did it won't ever happen if aizen is on his guard...wat Yama did was lucky aizen could have easily slashed him instead of stabbing him...aizen is also smart so what you saying?

Hitsugaya is kid and was 'pissed off' and also had huge man help from other captains. If I have Kyoraku, Shinji, Sui Feng, Komamura, Ichigo, Lisa, Rose, Love behind my back, I would be sure that I can take anyone.

On the other hand, Yamamoto is far more mature and very experienced man (far more than Hitsugaya) and he also was calm and not pissed of like Hitsugaya.

And like Yamamoto couldn't dodge Aizen's slash..

Yama already knew his spiritual pressure unless aizen was holding it back which he has no reason of doing so.

Either way, Yamamoto was not impressed with Aizen at all.

I also believe Yama with out his sword would have put up a good fight but most likely lost in the end.

I disagree, but I say what you are talking about. If I agree with that, it wouldn't change my point much here, It was without him using his shikai or bankai. If Zanpakutoless Yamamoto (not even base) could put good fight aganst Aizen, than Shikai Yama is at least two times more powerful than Aizen.

She mastered her healing kido I doubt it even takes much from to heal somebody or her self she's a kenpachi they have loads an loads of stamina...plus like I already stated zaraki said all his shackles been released.

Even if they has a loads of stamina, that stamina got lesser with each healing, and even if healing don't take much reiatsu (with which i would disagree since there are near dead situations), it still take some reiatsu.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

He 'up graded him' because he couldn't beat Isshin.



Urahara is smarter than them.



Ok.



Hitsugaya is kid and was 'pissed off' and also had huge man help from other captains. If I have Kyoraku, Shinji, Sui Feng, Komamura, Ichigo, Lisa, Rose, Love behind my back, I would be sure that I can take anyone.

On the other hand, Yamamoto is far more mature and very experienced man (far more than Hitsugaya) and he also was calm and not pissed of like Hitsugaya.

And like Yamamoto couldn't dodge Aizen's slash..



Either way, Yamamoto was not impressed with Aizen at all.



I disagree, but I say what you are talking about. If I agree with that, it wouldn't change my point much here, It was without him using his shikai or bankai. If Zanpakutoless Yamamoto (not even base) could put good fight aganst Aizen, than Shikai Yama is at least two times more powerful than Aizen.



Even if they has a loads of stamina, that stamina got lesser with each healing, and even if healing don't take much reiatsu (with which i would disagree since there are near dead situations), it still take some reiatsu.

Naw sorry your wrong on this one.

I know he's smarter than them..that's why they will all take caution.

Naw he still said thoes words I also believe shinji also said something similar said he was untouchable in his shikai before aizen made him eat his words...an if aizen is useing ks then no Yama is not dodgeing aizen slash Yama won't gone to dodge it regarudless.

Who was really impressed? You don't have to be impressed.

I just know that Yama without zan not beating aizen.

Just know she got zaraki back to the strenght he was at when he was a kid that's all that matters.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Naw sorry your wrong on this one.

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I would say that Aizen look more battle worn than Isshin.

I know he's smarter than them..that's why they will all take caution.

In order for one to be affected by kido, he will need to touch two times Urahara. It's for example with two attacks. I will just say that Kyoraku against Starrk alone had two touch with him, if his opponent were Urahara, he would be done by know.

Naw he still said thoes words I also believe shinji also said something similar said he was untouchable in his shikai before aizen made him eat his words...an if aizen is useing ks then no Yama is not dodgeing aizen slash Yama won't gone to dodge it regarudless.

Yama is a knowledge man, he is a calm man and he didn't let his emotions over him in his fights against Aizen. He watched whole fight with Aizen, feel his reiatsu and still said that he could beat him. On top of that Aizen said that he would lose to him..

Who was really impressed? You don't have to be impressed.

What are you saying? Yama saw Aizen's battle with Shinigamis and how he one shotted them, he feelt his reiatsu, know his zanpakuto ability, and on top of all that Yama was like "is that all"... Again, evidence is there, you are blind if you not see them.

I just know that Yama without zan not beating aizen.

I could see the match being very close, but I will steal lean toward Yama. And how do you 'just know'? That's not even base Yama, considering that he can't even use his zanjutsu.

Just know she got zaraki back to the strenght he was at when he was a kid that's all that matters.

Ok.