I believe.. Kakuzu/Sasori can defeat Itachi

[Strict]

As for Kakuzu, I don't even see what can be debated. If Itachi is forced to use his Mangekyo Sharingan, Kakuzu gets fodderized. As for Sasori, Itachi will at most be forced to use former stages of Susanoo, for protecting himself against Satetsu Kaiho and for not being overwhelmed by the sheer number of Sasori's puppets. Being in Hiruko, Sasori becomes a perfect target for being one shotted by a blow of Susanoo.

Yata also protects him from anything, that's how its ability is defined. Sasuke's Kusanagi attack and the paper bombs explosions that had enough firepower to cover Susanoo's whole front were nullified by the shield, so there can be no protection for only the 5 natures.

 

[TheEvilOne]

As for Kakuzu, I don't even see what can be debated. If Itachi is forced to use his Mangekyo Sharingan, Kakuzu gets utterly fodderized. As for Sasori, Itachi will at most be forced to use former stages of Susanoo, for protecting himself against Satetsu Kaiho and for not being overwhelmed by the sheer number of Sasori's puppets. Being in Hiruko, Sasori becomes a perfect target for being one shotted by a blow of Susanoo.

Sakura couldn't one-shot him with her superhuman strength, I doubt Itachi's Susanoo can do it. Remember, Madara's Perfect Susanoo punched the Mizukage but she survived it- seemingly without injures.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Sorry I wanted to write Complete Susanoo, not perfect =D

 

[Edo Odin]

To me, this matchup really isn't debatable. As soon as Kakuzu starts pressurizing Itachi with the Elemental blast combination, Itachi would pull up the Susanoo, rendering any and all attacks useless against him, as stated in the Databook [

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] I've also seen the underground thread argument before, but just like PDG said, Itachi's Sharingan allows him to see chakra, even when underground [

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] Whether the threads would manage to get through even without this ability is debatable, since the Yata Mirror has been shown to be able to change it's size and shape [

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], meaning that it could probably also protect from attacks from underneath. After all, it was said to be able to change every one of it's properties.

After Itachi decides to draw out the Susanoo, the slim chance Kakuzu had of winning gets close to zero. He doesn't have the speed to handle the Amaterasu or the wide ranged attacks of the Susanoo, and in the meanwhile, can't harm Itachi at all.

To be honest, whether Itachi will need to use the MS techniques is debatable. Just like Itachi isn't used to bringing out the MS techs early in a fight, Kakuzu has been shown to start out fights by using close combat to draw the enemy near, and using a combination of the Earth Grudge Fear and the Doton Domu to bring down the opponent, which would provide some difficulties against a Sharingan user. The reflexes granted by the Sharingan are truly something to be reckoned with, and it's ability to see chakra, along with the boosted eyesight would allow Itachi to react in time to the threads, allowing him to retreat to a safe place.

A way to get through the Doton Domu would for example be to use Clone Feints. In order to completely harden his skin, he needs to use a hand seal, which of course, requires some time. A possibility for Itachi would be to use the same strategy he did against Kakashi, and switch out for a clone (As we've seen he had enough speed to do that without even Sharingan noticing [

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] Kakuzu, seeing as he wouldn't even be aware of the clone, would attack without hesitating, which would severely damage him, as he wouldn't have the time to form the hand seal.

There's also, of course, the danger of Itachi catching him in a Genjutsu. In a close up fight, Itachi has been shown to be able to catch guys like Killer Bee in a genjutsu without him noticing [

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] His proficiency was great enough for him to even be able to lay a Genjutsu on people with a single finger [

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] Of course, there's always the argument that Kakuzu's masks might be able to snap him out of it, but even so, the time it takes for that to happen would give Itachi an opening to catch him in the Tsukuyomi, something the masks wouldn't be able to snap him out of.

All in all, Kakuzu has close to no chance. The only threat in his arsenal would be the elemental blasts, which would be answered by Itachi's Susanoo, which would completely negate Kakuzu's chance of winning this match. A close up combat with a Sharingan user is never a good idea. If Kakuzu isn't taken out via Genjutsu or through a sneak attack in the close combat part of the match, he'd end up pulling out the masks, which would probably push Itachi to use the Susanoo, which he would use to take out Kakuzu. Other than that, Itachi could always simply use the Amaterasu, which Kakuzu has no counter for whatsoever.

 

[Optimistic]

Sasori feels no pain so he can fight while being covered in Amaterasu.People always bring up Amaterasu as if Itachi can use it there and then, does he do that in the cannon fights in manga?

Hell no why? cause its a waste of Chakra especially since Itachi is a very versatile ninja to begin with.

 

[Edo Odin]

Sasori feels no pain so he can fight while being covered in Amaterasu.

Itachi, being able to see chakra with his Sharingan, would fire straight at Sasori's core, seeing as it's the only place of him that has any chakra. After that, there's no turning back, since the flames would eat through the core, fairly quickly, and since switching cores won't help in this situation, Sasori would be taken out. The pain is not much of a factor here, he gets taken out by the flames either way.

 

[AGoodBoy]

i disagree on both counts.

Itachi can predict all of sasori's moves by looking at his finger movements, thread motions, and puppet movements. He can even cut the threads to disable the puppets for some time; against 99 puppet dance that would prove effective. split second susano'o blocks against any last minute attack. As a pupeteer sasori is vulnerable to taijutsu and this is where itachi can easily trump him without having to resort to the MS at all. Itachi's stamina is shit, but it isn't that shit that he'd die after 5 minutes of not even using his MS.

Against Kakuzu, itachi doesn't need to resort to the MS once again. even if he decides to, tsukuyomi would be his first and best bet, which would leave kakuzu and mentally collapsed cripple ripe for the picking. But, an easy checkmate would be susano'o. Once he enters susano'o the mask attacks become irrelevant. Even if yata isn't able to block 2 elements at the same time, susano'o's basic defence is great enough on it's own. Itachi could simply put pressure on kakuzu by grabbing him with susano'o. He'd have to resort to domu to lower his chances of being crushed, and then, he can't move anymore. kakuzu is now an immobile target for a totsuka seal. With kakuzu sealed away, even if the masks were still able to move, a sword swipe from susano'o, yasaka magatama or w.e means he chooses would take them out. Individually, they're not as strong as kakuzu. This fight shouldn't make itachi really on MS enough to get exhausted quickly.

Sharingan precognition, which requires low chakra, is very useful. Afterall, kakashi was able to parry all of kakuzu's moves and his databook speed is lower than itachi's. It would be insane to think that itachi wouldn't be able to dodge a good few of kakuzu's moves.

 

[Optimistic]

Itachi, being able to see chakra with his Sharingan, would fire straight at Sasori's core, seeing as it's the only place of him that has any chakra. After that, there's no turning back, since the flames would eat through the core, fairly quickly, and since switching cores won't help in this situation, Sasori would be taken out. The pain is not much of a factor here, he gets taken out by the flames either way.

And while Itachi fires a Amaterasu Kakuzu will take that Opportunity to fire one of his combination elemental ninjutsu's.
What's Itachi gonna do then? Fire another Amaterasu? Its kind of weird how in every fight Itachi starts off with amaterasu.

If he aims at one of them, then the other will attack.

 

[Edo Odin]

And while Itachi fires a Amaterasu Kakuzu will take that Opportunity to fire one of his combination elemental ninjutsu's.
What's Itachi gonna do then? Fire another Amaterasu? Its kind of weird how in every fight Itachi starts off with amaterasu.

If he aims at one of them, then the other will attack.

Funny how we went from Sasori to Kakuzu.

Against Kakuzu, Itachi would pull out the Susanoo before using the Amaterasu. The only reason for him to pull out either of these techniques would be the elemental blasts, so the Susanoo would obviously be the one he'd put up first. If he decides to use the Amaterasu, he wouldn't do it without having the Susano'o up, which would negate all attacks thrown at him.

Not that he needs the Amaterasu to take out Kakuzu.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Not sure about Sasori, but Kakuzu stands no chance.

 

[Lilt]

I've been wondering that about the Yata Mirror, We know it can Change chakra natures to respond to the incoming attack, But i've always wondered if it could also combine elements to defend against attacks such as Lava/Dust/Mokuton/Storm and so on.

The Yata Mirror changes shape and counters all attacks:

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Here it is making a semi-sphere (pssibly a full sphere) around Itachi:

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Statements and feats suggest that the Yata Mirror was not used against Kirin.

 

[Westside]

Both of them would take Itachi mid dif.

 

[Zexion~]

I agree On Kakuzu's Part As GwemBaba gave a ingenious counter to yata mirror that kakuzu can pull off

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi destroys Kakuzu low-mid diff. He can take Sasori mid-high diff.

Kakuzu has nothing to even get past a level 2 Susanoo w/o Yata Mirror let alone any other Susanoo with Yata Mirror, heck. Susanoo might not even be necessary for this guy.

 

[Westside]

Itachi destroys Kakuzu low-mid diff. He can take Sasori mid-high diff.

Kakuzu has nothing to even get past a level 2 Susanoo w/o Yata Mirror let alone any other Susanoo with Yata Mirror, heck. Susanoo might not even be necessary for this guy.

Hands from the ground bro.

 

[Zexion~]

To me, this matchup really isn't debatable. As soon as Kakuzu starts pressurizing Itachi with the Elemental blast combination, Itachi would pull up the Susanoo, rendering any and all attacks useless against him, as stated in the Databook [

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] I've also seen the underground thread argument before, but just like PDG said, Itachi's Sharingan allows him to see chakra, even when underground [

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] Whether the threads would manage to get through even without this ability is debatable, since the Yata Mirror has been shown to be able to change it's size and shape [

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], meaning that it could probably also protect from attacks from underneath. After all, it was said to be able to change every one of it's properties.

After Itachi decides to draw out the Susanoo, the slim chance Kakuzu had of winning gets close to zero. He doesn't have the speed to handle the Amaterasu or the wide ranged attacks of the Susanoo, and in the meanwhile, can't harm Itachi at all.

To be honest, whether Itachi will need to use the MS techniques is debatable. Just like Itachi isn't used to bringing out the MS techs early in a fight, Kakuzu has been shown to start out fights by using close combat to draw the enemy near, and using a combination of the Earth Grudge Fear and the Doton Domu to bring down the opponent, which would provide some difficulties against a Sharingan user. The reflexes granted by the Sharingan are truly something to be reckoned with, and it's ability to see chakra, along with the boosted eyesight would allow Itachi to react in time to the threads, allowing him to retreat to a safe place.

A way to get through the Doton Domu would for example be to use Clone Feints. In order to completely harden his skin, he needs to use a hand seal, which of course, requires some time. A possibility for Itachi would be to use the same strategy he did against Kakashi, and switch out for a clone (As we've seen he had enough speed to do that without even Sharingan noticing [

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]), and wait for Kakuzu to come up close, just like against Kakashi and Kurenai [

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] Kakuzu, seeing as he wouldn't even be aware of the clone, would attack without hesitating, which would severely damage him, as he wouldn't have the time to form the hand seal.

There's also, of course, the danger of Itachi catching him in a Genjutsu. In a close up fight, Itachi has been shown to be able to catch guys like Killer Bee in a genjutsu without him noticing [

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] His proficiency was great enough for him to even be able to lay a Genjutsu on people with a single finger [

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] Of course, there's always the argument that Kakuzu's masks might be able to snap him out of it, but even so, the time it takes for that to happen would give Itachi an opening to catch him in the Tsukuyomi, something the masks wouldn't be able to snap him out of.

All in all, Kakuzu has close to no chance. The only threat in his arsenal would be the elemental blasts, which would be answered by Itachi's Susanoo, which would completely negate Kakuzu's chance of winning this match. A close up combat with a Sharingan user is never a good idea. If Kakuzu isn't taken out via Genjutsu or through a sneak attack in the close combat part of the match, he'd end up pulling out the masks, which would probably push Itachi to use the Susanoo, which he would use to take out Kakuzu. Other than that, Itachi could always simply use the Amaterasu, which Kakuzu has no counter for whatsoever.

Aghh if i had time id post a link to gwembabas counter to yata mirror but ill try to explain shorthand .. yata mirror changes properties based on the oncoming ninjutsu attack does it not? So combining too Jutsu's Together Should Be able to break through it .. especially If he combines Two Styles Where one is weaker then the other EX. Wind+Fire ... It should be able to break through... And Kakuzu Is an Intellegent fellow who does not underestimate his opponents ( unless your naruto) .. For instance when he found out kakashi had the sharingan .. he did not in any case instigate a close combat Instance... And he knows itachi has the sharingan .. since you can see it when their convened and he knows he is an uchia..... His counter to Tsukuyomi is Simply Not looking .. And letting his hearts look and act for him.. If the can get itachi.. and since he has to charge up for a time

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.( small but enough) The hearts would be able to reach Him not allowing him to get a clear shot .. Or he could simply have his earth heart stay between his and Itachi's Line of sight at all times since domu wont really help him here.. now until recently i thought he had no counter to susunoo but Gwembaba made a pretty Persuasive point However i still think itachi would win High diff ... Against sasori too .. but it would not be as easy as people make it out to be ..He wins because of totska

 

[GwemBaba]

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The databook spoke in a plurality not in a singular manner. If kakuzu attacks with combination elements , it will provide a combination of elements to cancel the attack out / repel it

You are wrong there, one attack has multiple atributes pertaining to the attack itself. It can't block two different attacks at once, I believe.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Aghh if i had time id post a link to gwembabas counter to yata mirror but ill try to explain shorthand .. yata mirror changes properties based on the oncoming ninjutsu attack does it not? So combining too Jutsu's Together Should Be able to break through it .. especially If he combines Two Styles Where one is weaker then the other EX. Wind+Fire ... It should be able to break through... And Kakuzu Is an Intellegent fellow who does not underestimate his opponents ( unless your naruto) .. For instance when he found out kakashi had the sharingan .. he did not in any case instigate a close combat Instance... And he knows itachi has the sharingan .. since you can see it when their convened and he knows he is an uchia..... His counter to Tsukuyomi is Simply Not looking .. And letting his hearts look and act for him.. If the can get itachi.. and since he has to charge up for a time

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.( small but enough) The hearts would be able to reach Him not allowing him to get a clear shot .. Or he could simply have his earth heart stay between his and Itachi's Line of sight at all times since domu wont really help him here.. now until recently i thought he had no counter to susunoo but Gwembaba made a pretty Persuasive point However i still think itachi would win High diff ... Against sasori too .. but it would not be as easy as people make it out to be ..He wins because of totska

that's assuming kakuzu's attacks even have enough power to get through susano'o... Danzou had to use a suction enhanced wind slice just to cut a hole in susano'o.

 

[Zexion~]

that's assuming kakuzu's attacks even have enough power to get through susano'o... Danzou had to use a suction enhanced wind slice just to cut a hole in susano'o.

your right i am assuming but thats why i said itachi would still most likely win :/

 

[Edo Odin]

Aghh if i had time id post a link to gwembabas counter to yata mirror but ill try to explain shorthand .. yata mirror changes properties based on the oncoming ninjutsu attack does it not? So combining too Jutsu's Together Should Be able to break through it .. especially If he combines Two Styles Where one is weaker then the other EX. Wind+Fire ... It should be able to break through... And Kakuzu Is an Intellegent fellow who does not underestimate his opponents ( unless your naruto) .. For instance when he found out kakashi had the sharingan .. he did not in any case instigate a close combat Instance... And he knows itachi has the sharingan .. since you can see it when their convened and he knows he is an uchia..... His counter to Tsukuyomi is Simply Not looking .. And letting his hearts look and act for him.. If the can get itachi.. and since he has to charge up for a time

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.( small but enough) The hearts would be able to reach Him not allowing him to get a clear shot .. Or he could simply have his earth heart stay between his and Itachi's Line of sight at all times since domu wont really help him here.. now until recently i thought he had no counter to susunoo but Gwembaba made a pretty Persuasive point However i still think itachi would win High diff ... Against sasori too .. but it would not be as easy as people make it out to be ..He wins because of totska

Nah, the Yata Mirror was said to be able to render every attack useless, and was stated to make Itachi completely invincible. As Owarij pointed out, it can change it's properties, meaning that it can deflect anything thrown at it, even combined elemental attacks. The Yata Mirror doesn't necessarily need to transform into an element, it can transform into close to anything. An example would be, if Kakuzu throws an attack from the Fire and Wind mask at him. In that situation, the Yata would turn into something like, for example, diamond, which would successfully counter the incoming combinations of attacks. It wasn't said to make Itachi invincible without a reason.

Not looking into the eyes of an enemy is easier said than done. Unless you've specifically trained for it in the past, you won't be able to hold your own for too long without looking into the eyes of the user. Both the Raikage and Killer Bee had had multiple fight against Konoha (And therefore the Uchiha), yet both of them were caught in a Genjutsu by an Uchiha, simply because that's something Uchiha specialize in, using the chance to get to the opponent.

Itachi may need to charge up for the Amaterasu, but it doesn't mean that it would give Kakuzu an opening. Like I stated in one of my posts above, if Itachi is pushed far enough to use the Amaterasu, he'd already have put up the Susano'o (Which is further supported by the fact that he knows that he'd be vulnerable while charging up if he doesn't), meaning that neither Kakuzu nor the hearts would manage to get through.

The mask strategy would also not work, simply because Kakuzu is not aware of the Amaterasu. He'd have no reason to go on the defensive side when he sees Itachi closing his eyes and bleeding, because of lack of info on the Amaterasu itself. He wouldn't be aware of the fact that Itachi can make a flame appear on him until the attack has actually been cast, and by then, he'll already have lost.