If you wouldn't compare Part 2 Gai to part 1 Gai or part 2 Kakashi to part 1 Kakashi why would you compare part 2 Tsunade to part 1 Tsunade when it's fairly evident that her skill has increased since the last time we saw her fight in part 1.
I do not deny that gentle fist stops the usage of chakra, rather my point was that isn't what kills people, what kills them is the damage to internal organs. Something Tsunade has a means of fixing. Also a single hit doesn't completely negate a persons chakra flow, the way it works is by closing multiple tenketsu meaning one would have to stay in close range for a longer period of time than it would take to get a single or even a few shots off. The whole basis of the 64 palm technique is that at least 64 hits are necessary and we haven't successfully seen it done on a high level opponent perhaps because that would require they stand there and do nothing at all. Naruto was able to use Kurama's chakra not because Kurama was a separate entity but because Kurama's chakra wasn't in the same pool of chakra as Naruto's chakra. It was separated via a seal, and the only thing we can say is that an influx of chakra forced the tenketsu open. As previously stated Tsunade would have multiple ways to achieve such a strategy.
Against Orochimaru her first strategy was Creation Rebirth, albeit she was already injured. Against Pein she had already used her seal. Against Madara when she joined the fight she used her seal. Though I will note this, I am not suggesting that Tsunade use Byakugou off the bat, I'm suggesting she use it in response to having her tenketsu closed.
Well the manga says she draws her power from the Seal and not the jutsu themselves. Further, you're suggesting Katsuyu is going to go where when she's likely to be in Tsunade's clothes. How exactly does Hiashi get to that particular mini and where is she going to go?
It was a really poor metaphor
Based on which of Hiashi's speed feats? That's about 30 feet which would give Tsunade ample time to do as she pleases, whether that's summoning, striking the ground, etc.
Against Madara there was the obvious danger of hurting her own teammates with such a large AoE. And Against Kabuto we're talking about a Tsunade who started with that strategy of using larger AoE attacks, to which her opponents responded by running away. Furthermore, it's fairly obvious the strength she has now> than the strength she had then thus her capabilities are different. Once her natural strength was hindered she really wasn't in the position to use large AoE attacks. Also I thought you didn't want to deal with scenario's but skillsets and that is without a doubt a part of Tsunade's skillset.
Naruto didn't fall into a trap he was countered. And Hiashi doesn't have a the means to escape Tsunade's AoE
Different ones include using shockwaves, striking pressure points, and attacking with chakra scalpels.
Because "punch the ground hurr" isn't meant to make Tsunade fans sound stupid? nor is Wanksuyu supposed to be a jab at Tsunade fans? Both of those implied superiority which lend more to the ad-hominem logical fallacy and can easily lead red herrings so I have no real intent to continue discussing that matter.
No. He can't.
Irrelevant Part 1
Irrelevant if it was unexpected as you claim that rotation would have the force send all relevant attacks (to this debate) flying back. Two just as a matter of physics to redirect force in the way that Rotation does one would need to be able to handle enough of that force.In order to displace the force, the force must first be place upon the Rotation. But you've given no proof that rotation can withstand that much force without being destroyed. Take the example of a spinning ceiling fan, if you throw a small rubber ball at it, the fan will completely redirect all force of said ball, but if you throw a bag of bricks at the same fan.... it's going to break.
You shouldn't forget gravitational force, which yes was acting upon the Juubi however, if the Juubi had simply let his arm fall the dead weight would have been traveling at 9.8 meters per second. This however, does not seem to be the case as the juubi's tail/ arm wasn't limp.My point being Tsunade didn't just knock it up in the air, know she jumped so high in the sky that she nor the sword could be seen then she as she came back down she was still able move the sword despite not having a surface to distribute her power across. Further, this was not just Hiashi's power but Neji's as well and given the Rotation seems to be the same size, he would be responsible for only about half of the force that was knocked away. Further, I'm not sure it what purpose you have for mentioning the flick. We can't really gauge the weight of it as it was pure chakra, and because it acts like a bomb it can create a greater damage area than say a cannon which relies on weight for it's destructive force. So are we to say that the Juubi flicking it away is an act of strength when we have no means of coming close to an idea of how much it weighed? We do know though that the Juubi hand is made of wood. And that wood is generally lighter than steel, we also know that Gamabunta's Tanto has such a weight that Bunta was able to slice through Shukaku's arm with it but not strong enough to hold on to the tanto. Yet, he was able to hold down the Kyuubi for a short period of time.
If Rotation doesn't dig a whole then Tsunade's strike to the ground sends Hiashi flying. That was my argument. It can be represented as:
H ∨ F
~H
∴ F
proven through the logical rule Disjunctive Syllogism. Where "H" stands for whole and "F" stands for Flying you added the proposition ~H or not hole therefore the logical conclusion is flying.
A popular argument I've seen before is that someone will withstand the damage via sticking to the ground with the usage of chakra.If he tries to keep through the force of Tsunade's punch then he is going to die. It is the force which kills, and incidently one takes less force by not being stuck to the ground as the force can be partially dispersed into the air. If he glue himself to the ground he has no choice but to take the brunt of the force which killed mini juubis and he's surely less durable than mini juubis. At the point that he tries to glue himself to ground the force is going to rip through his body possibly severing the rest of his body from his legs.
Jumping High and Falling from high are different things imagine jumping from a 5 foot platform and now imagine falling from it. If he is sent in the air he is not jumping is his falling. More than that, while he can use the air palm something I never dismissed he can't maneuver. That has not been shown in the manga. And to that extent he is vulnerable either to Tsunade or to Katsuyu.
Now Tsunade's punch operates as a few things when hit with it directly it acts like a missile in that it carries a lot of force (natural strength), but once contact is made some of the force a different force (the chakra) causes an explosion.; when she hits the ground the result is something between a landmine and an Earthquake. Significant portions of the Earth move and anything that is built upon that Earth is reduced to rubble, yet like a land mine a great amount of force is exhibited upwards and outwards. So the way Tsunade's punches can be Described are as M ∨ (L · E)
We can prove then that no Flood (FL) is like Earthquakes (E) or Landmines (L) and therefore none are like Tsunade's Punches (TP) in a few different ways. The first way we'd do so is through a sorites :
All FL are things that sweep away items
No L are things that sweep away items
All L are things that blast upwards and outwards
No FL are things that blast upwards or outwards
∴No FL are L
Given this sorites the conclusion is FL and L do fundamentally different things and thus are not materially equivalent.
All FL are things that sweep things away
No E are things that sweep things away
∴ No FL are E
All E are things that ripple from underneath the ground
No FL are things that ripple underneath the ground
∴ No FL are E
These two categorical syllogisms demonstrate that Floods do fundamentally different things than Earthquakes.
1. FL ⊃ ~(L·E)
2.TP ⊃ [M ∨ (L·E)]
3. L·E
∴ ~ FL Because of Modus Tollens
Given lines 1 and 2 of the above we can gather that if FL ⊃ ~TP so they are not materially equivalent
Now all of this is to say that what Kisame did was create a flood, which is not at all comparable to what Tsunade's punches do. While Tsunade's Punches are not Landmines or Earthquakes, per say, they do damage in the same way those two items L·E do damage thus, for the purpose of the point being made the statement holds. Also note this important distinction, Shinobi can stand on water, Shinobi can stand on an exploding land mine. A flood kills by asphyxiation, missiles, landmines do not kill through asphyxiation. Though, an Earthquake can kill through asphyxiation, it can also kill through raw power and by means of heavy items crushing living things. My point being, the situation involving Kisame has no relevance in comparison to Tsunade.
However, your thread was biased toward Hiashi but Fair Enough
This doesn't work as he's being assaulted from 360 degrees yet isn't defending all 360 degrees nor is he attacking the remaining degrees which leads to him being hit by the acid.
Well yes Rotation is 360 degrees, what's your point? What's your point regarding the juubi? He did a single average length Rotation. Why is Neji relevant here? My point is that Hiashi cannot continue Rotation indefinitely, and attempting to do so exhausts his chakra, and his air supply. Slugs reaching him wasn't the argument, slugs' acid reaching him was.
Now to speak to Strict's quote. As far as we can tell that barrage of needles lasted only a few seconds. Unless you believe that Hiashi can exert himself physically for an extended period of time without the need to breathe. As I'm sure you would argue a poisonous gas wouldn't entire Rotation then Oxygen wouldn't either. Thus, he'd be rotating using more oxygen than normal with a limited oxygen supply. Further, we've never seen Hiashi in extended battle without access to medics who can simply give him more chakra. Nextly, Strict has a habit of misunderstanding the limits of Tsunade's abilities. The acid rainfall strategy was not a strategy that the quote was intended to address, as such a strategy could last longer than rotation.
Full body blow only targets one side of the body, not the entire body itself. So while he may clear the back area there would still be the front, and sides exposed. And for how long can he keep himself up in the air, as the nature of a liquid is to fill a space unless obstructed by something, and as the air palm is no longer there, liquefied Katsuyu would only comeback to fill the space. Rotation too, would be a temporary solution. And if his strategy is air palming continuously to make sure he didn't hit the ground, he'd be left wide open from an attack from Tsunade.
.... Um a few things Katsuyu isn't just a chakra construct like the arrow that pierced Neji and the Tube it was attached to is. Further, a far more complex linking is between Tsunade and Katsuyu than a tube, and Hiashi may not be able to send chakra through such a complex link non physical link. Also Katsuyu herself is a being and could just redirect that chakra at Hiashi, if she can use Tsunade's chakra to heal Tsunade. Furthermore, the tube only worked because it was a hollow link. A shinobi can use the chakra of a medic, but that doesn't mean that the tarnishing the chakra of a medic will hurt that shinobi so much as it means the medic needs to recover. This strategy fails to work for several reasons.
No, the way to establish whose better is a list of overall skills to which Tsunade wins. If we start talking about them fighting one another it is dependent entirely on scenarios. The ten meter distance was meant to give Hiashi an advantage.
It seems that gentle fist was inspired by Ba Gua Zhang more than Tai Chi.
