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1. huh? if the rubber was still in liquidated form, then the Raikage should've slipped through it easily, focus on the first and the last panel
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it was clearly solid

2. I thought Dodai substance are from those types of substances which are initially a liquid but solidify when it touches the air, I mean isn't it? and just because someone can control his element to move or shape it doesn't mean that he can control its state but if his KGG was similar Haku's then yeah you might be right
It's clearly still in liquid form, because if were solid, there wouldn't be any elasticity seen when the raikage pierced through the construct.

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To prove further elasticity = liquid form

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When the Raikage punched the newly made rubber sphere, it was still in a liquefied state, which is why the Raikage's hand sunk into the substance.

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If it were liquid like the former versions shown, Madara's meteors would've destroyed the constructs, because Dodai's liquid rubber isn't more durable than Gaara's sand, and that's a fact.

tbh I didn't quite get it :sweat:

isn't the rubber itself a chakra? or is it just like Kido's webs, a natural substance with internal Chakra flow in it?

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if the rubber was itself a Chakra then it would be destroyed regardless of its form.
That's not how it works. Gentle Fist inserts the Hyuga's chakra to destroy present chakra in the structure. However, when chakra is continuously being reapplied to the structure, Gentle Fist's ability to destroy chakra is nullified. The process is like this:

Step 1: Dodai creates a wave of liquid rubber.
Step 2: Neji uses Gentle Fist to destroy the chakra in it.
Step 3: Dodai's chakra is constantly being applied, nullifying the Gentle Fist's chakra destroying ability.
Step 4: Repeat steps 2 - 3.

The Gentle Fist has only been shown to destroy chakra constructs that are not constantly being fueled with chakra, why? Because it would prove useless, and the Hyuga would simply remain in a cycle of reinserting chakra into a construct that's being refueled every instant.

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^ Neji destroyed Kidomaru's webs because they weren't being fed more chakra, simply cycling the chakra implanted in them from the start. This is the same with Kisame's water prison.

I only needed an evidence for whether Dodai can control the state of his substance or not. but when you stated that Dodai can release an insane amount of rubber even greater than the one he did in the Manga, you supported a Manga scan[ ] with a logical explanation, so I conceded

and when I stated that Neji should be able to, I made a thread where I used the DB states and some Manga scans to support my claim and you already conceded

and here are some feats
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you can see that Neji's Rotation was equal to Hiashi's. sure it is not as big as the one that Hiashi pulled in part 1 but I explained why in the thread I made
Lol, I just wanted to throw a jab at you for that. Neji using a Hiashi sized rotation isn't baseless. I'll leave it at that, and allow Neji to have rotations of that size, either way as I stated prior rotation is useless here.

don't forget that Kidomaru's arrow had an incredible piercing force, so deflecting it even slightly, still proves that it is capable. of course an insane amount of rubber would be incredibly heavy, so the version that SRA Neji used would be squashed, but part 2 Neji can release far more amount of Chakra than SRA Neji so he should at least be able to repel it for some time or he can just spam OBB and keep destroying the rubber to make his way through

the rubber being more durable is irrelevant because both of them are Chakra based substances so both of them would be affected by the gentle fist.

Kidomaru's web was strong enough to bind two elephants yet it didn't bind a 13 y/o Hyuga kid who has the ability to release Chakra from every Tenketsu in his body
Lol, you're giving Neji's chakra feats it doesn't have. What is Neji's chakra shroud/shield Susano'o now? Pure chakra isn't holding up Dodai's rubber, that's literally baseless, and not supported by the manga what so ever. The reason rotation is able to reflect solid substances etc. is because of the incredibly fast momentum generated, Neji simply exuding his chakra around his body isn't doing anything against the waves of rubber Dodai will amass against him.

OBB will not destroy the rubber, I thought I already solidified this with the Gentle Fist not being able to destroy the liquid rubber constantly being fed chakra? This isn't different, as you already stated OBB is Gentle Fist (chakra destroying properties); this is no different literally it's the same case.

Rubber is compact like the human body, even more durable than so actually, if OBB couldn't destroy a mere white zetsu clone, nor fling it back a notable distance, it isn't doing anything to Dodai's rubber. Fact.

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The fact that Neji even got tagged by a zetsu clone is disgraceful lol, honestly. A guy with near 360 degrees of vision, and who's much faster than simple zetsu clones. Then again, we can say he was caught because of the sheer numbers perhaps? If that's the case, then Neji is easily caught by Dodai, simply because as we've been discussing Dodai's ability to create massive AoE with his liquid rubber is equal to 30+ men, on top of the fact Dodai is able to control the liquid rubber.



the only things that will help Neji are OBB and Shunshin and probably the Byakugan. if Neji can perform a big Rotation like Hiashi's then a one OBB would destroy a considerable amount of Rubber. so let us say Dodai tried to engulf Neji with waves of rubber, an OBB would create a hole in the waves which would give Neji a big space for evasion. using Shunshin, I think he can pull it off
Irrelevant now, since I just proved OBB isn't doing shit to Dodai's rubber based on the comparison of what it did to a Zetsu clone lol. Fodder Zetsu clones can get the jump on Neji, that's really embarrassing tbh.

and it depends on the stamina TBH. creating and controlling an insane amount of rubber would need an insane amount of Chakra. and so is the case with Neji and massive Rotations and OBBs. it can go either way, but I agree Dodai has the advantage, so he would likely win though not easily
Stamina clearly isn't a problem, I mean first off the dude is from the cloud! What notable ninja do you know from Kumogakure that has low chakra reserves? I mean the guy trained A & B, and was the 3rd's adviser/bodyguard. But based on feats, his stamina is up there, just being able to create that size of rubber in an instant
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If anything the one who needs to worry about stamina is Neji. He hasn't shown great stamina feats.


what makes this debateable is Neji's ability to destroy any Chakra based substancances. Shino would be a much better match up IMO, his insects can devour Chakra right?
Dodai vs Shino would be just as interesting as vs Neji. Idk who would win, I'd have to think about it. Dodai is much faster than Shino, but Shino's insects are in a league of their own, and Shino has a one shot technique. Dodai's unique defensives however, should allow him safety against the insects (being able to exude rubber through his pores, which could be used to both trap the insects, and act as a shield etc.).

Good match tbh.

Neji loses here mid diff.



I think Kimi can make it to mid diff. even if Dodai trapped him, he can still escape using bone forest which would make Dodai try to trap him again and again and again, but he would be taken down eventually his case is the same as Neji's
Eh nah, Kimimaro is up there in my favorites, but he has nothing on Dodai. And nah he can't escape, because if Dodai encases him in a rubber ball, nothing in Kimimaro's arsenal can pierce through his rubber, literally nothing. If Kimimaro was faster than Dodai, or more reflexive he'd have a chance, but Dodai being better than Kimimaro in both speed, and reaction he stands no chance sadly.

Kimimaro gets suffocated by rubber.

with a Bijuu sized Air Palm...
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I think Hiashi has a better chance at defeating Dodai than Neji.
I agree Hiashi stands a better chance (if his feats are better), but in the end it remains the same game. Dodai is just too much for the Hyugas.

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Dodai is able to use telepathy. Inochi was even surprised that Dodai could use telepathy seen here:

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Dodai would get into Neji's head, throw him off with mental attacks, then proceed to give him an ass-whooping like no other lol.

Dodai is a lord btw lmfao!

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LOL

It's clearly still in liquid form, because if were solid, there wouldn't be any elasticity seen when the raikage pierced through the construct.

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To prove further elasticity = liquid form

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When the Raikage punched the newly made rubber sphere, it was still in a liquefied state, which is why the Raikage's hand sunk into the substance.

Solid:

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If it were liquid like the former versions shown, Madara's meteors would've destroyed the constructs, because Dodai's liquid rubber isn't more durable than Gaara's sand, and that's a fact.
ok.

That's not how it works. Gentle Fist inserts the Hyuga's chakra to destroy present chakra in the structure. However, when chakra is continuously being reapplied to the structure, Gentle Fist's ability to destroy chakra is nullified. The process is like this:

Step 1: Dodai creates a wave of liquid rubber.
Step 2: Neji uses Gentle Fist to destroy the chakra in it.
Step 3: Dodai's chakra is constantly being applied, nullifying the Gentle Fist's chakra destroying ability.
Step 4: Repeat steps 2 - 3.

The Gentle Fist has only been shown to destroy chakra constructs that are not constantly being fueled with chakra, why? Because it would prove useless, and the Hyuga would simply remain in a cycle of reinserting chakra into a construct that's being refueled every instant.

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^ Neji destroyed Kidomaru's webs because they weren't being fed more chakra, simply cycling the chakra implanted in them from the start. This is the same with Kisame's water prison.
I see. but Kidomaru's webs were a mixture between a normal sticky substance and Chakra, the external structure was not made of Chakra, it was made from his spit, and he made his Chakra flowing through it to make it durable. Neji was destroying it by simply destroying the internal Chakra substance in it.

Dodai's liquid rubber, on the other hand, is just a pure Chakra in the form of a rubber, it is not like Kidomaru's webs (a structure with interal Chakra flow in it) so it would not be feuled with Chakra because it is itself a Chakra, it would be destroyed by the gentle fist regardless of its form

Lol, I just wanted to throw a jab at you for that. Neji using a Hiashi sized rotation isn't baseless. I'll leave it at that, and allow Neji to have rotations of that size, either way as I stated prior rotation is useless here.
ok.

Lol, you're giving Neji's chakra feats it doesn't have. What is Neji's chakra shroud/shield Susano'o now? Pure chakra isn't holding up Dodai's rubber, that's literally baseless, and not supported by the manga what so ever. The reason rotation is able to reflect solid substances etc. is because of the incredibly fast momentum generated, Neji simply exuding his chakra around his body isn't doing anything against the waves of rubber Dodai will amass against him.
you are right, I guess I overestimated the durability of the Chakra shroud and underestimated the weight of the rubber a bit

OBB will not destroy the rubber, I thought I already solidified this with the Gentle Fist not being able to destroy the liquid rubber constantly being fed chakra? This isn't different, as you already stated OBB is Gentle Fist (chakra destroying properties); this is no different literally it's the same case.
addressed

Rubber is compact like the human body, even more durable than so actually, if OBB couldn't destroy a mere white zetsu clone, nor fling it back a notable distance, it isn't doing anything to Dodai's rubber. Fact.

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The fact that Neji even got tagged by a zetsu clone is disgraceful lol, honestly. A guy with near 360 degrees of vision, and who's much faster than simple zetsu clones. Then again, we can say he was caught because of the sheer numbers perhaps? If that's the case, then Neji is easily caught by Dodai, simply because as we've been discussing Dodai's ability to create massive AoE with his liquid rubber is equal to 30+ men, on top of the fact Dodai is able to control the liquid rubber.
don't forget that he only released a small amount of Chakra to blow that Zetsu (because why wasting much Chakra on a Zetsu), and Zetsus are quite durable seeing how the same Zestsu was able to tank a punch from Sakura

Irrelevant now, since I just proved OBB isn't doing shit to Dodai's rubber based on the comparison of what it did to a Zetsu clone lol. Fodder Zetsu clones can get the jump on Neji, that's really embarrassing tbh.
addressed

and @bold I know, the dude was nerfed hard in the war arc, he died with a stick for the sake of a pairing development for crying out loud


Stamina clearly isn't a problem, I mean first off the dude is from the cloud! What notable ninja do you know from Kumogakure that has low chakra reserves? I mean the guy trained A & B, and was the 3rd's adviser/bodyguard. But based on feats, his stamina is up there, just being able to create that size of rubber in an instant
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If anything the one who needs to worry about stamina is Neji. He hasn't shown great stamina feats.
Neji has shown a great Stamina feats in his fight with Kidomaru's but I agree, it seem to be that Dodai has a greater Stamina

Neji loses here mid diff.
I agree, Neji might push it to mid diff at least

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Dodai is able to use telepathy. Inochi was even surprised that Dodai could use telepathy seen here:

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Dodai would get into Neji's head, throw him off with mental attacks, then proceed to give him an ass-whooping like no other lol.

Dodai is a lord btw lmfao!

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I can see Neji beating Kankuro,Jugo,Asuma,Dodai,Part one Kabuto,Kiba, Part one Kakashi, Suigetsu, Kitsuchi,Omoi,Zabuza.

I can see it being a 50/50 fight against Yamato,Shino,Shika and Choji

Everyone else should beat Neji
 
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