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Kankuro
Juugo
Asuma
Yamato
Dodai
Kabuto(part one)
Kiba
Shino
Kakashi(part one)
Suigetsu
Hidan
Gaara(only Goard Sand)
Mifune
Choji
Torune and Fu
Darui
Kitsuchi(No sandwich)
Omoi
Zabuza
Kimimaro
Shikamaru
Sai
Tsunade(No Katsuyu)
Rasa



Location-Itachi Vs Sasuke
Knowledge-Manga
Distance-15m
Intent-Kill
Restrictions-None,It is War Arc Neji

Who does he can beat? also matchups aren't in order ofc.


Sc2:Replace Neji with Hiashi.
 
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Kankuro - wins
Juugo - wins
Asuma - wins
Yamato - wins
Dodai - loses
Kabuto(part one) - wins
Kiba - Positive FT made good arguments for Kiba vs Neji - can go either way, favoring Kiba due to cerberus > rotation
Shino - argued this with Draegod, we were pretty neck, and neck. I still favor Shino however.
Kakashi(part one) - wins
Suigetsu - physical attacks don't work on Suigetsu. We also don't know how Gentle Fist would effect his body composition in liquid form. Neji probably wins.
Hidan - loses
Gaara(only Goard Sand) - obviously gets stomped....
Mifune - wins
Choji - If Choji doesn't start in giant mode he can win.
Torune and Fu - Loses vs both
Darui - Wins?
Kitsuchi(No sandwich) - Wins?
Omoi - wins
Zabuza - wins
Kimimaro - Probably loses
Shikamaru - arguing for Shikamaru is damn near impossible because intelligence plays a huge factor in MU's, and majority of the VS section don't like arguing strategics, mainly just x > y therefore so & so wins.
Sai - Sai wins comfortably.
Tsunade(No Katsuyu) - Neji maybe.
Rasa - Loses


Who does he can beat? also matchups aren't in order ofc.
My thoughts.
 

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Neji vs Dodai is interesting.

Rotation is completely useless because it can be stopped with the rubber just like when Kidomaru's web stopped it, but his rubber is a chakra based substance no?

The gentle fist has the ability to destroy any chakra based substances
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Neji can release chakra and use it as a blade like this to cut through the rubber substance.
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so the rubber substance is just like Kidomaru's webs. ineffective in front the gentle fist

I'd say Neji wins with mid high difficulty
 
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Neji vs Dodai is interesting.

Rotation is completely useless because it can be stopped with the rubber just like when Kidomaru's web stopped it, but his rubber is a chakra based substance no?

The gentle fist has the ability to destroy any chakra based substances
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Neji can release chakra and use it as a blade like this to cut through the rubber substance.
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so the rubber substance is just like Kidomaru's webs. ineffective in front the gentle fist

I'd say Neji wins with mid high difficulty
You're correct, but that's only if Dodai doesn't trap his limbs. Remember Kidomaru had done so, but his hands were in contact with the webbings?
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Dodai is much faster than Neji, and would be capable of tagging him before he'd initially be able to react. Two touches would be all he needs to bind his hands at the wrist so Neji wouldn't use Gentle Fist to destroy the chakra inside. Becaue once his rubber is attached, he can enhance the physical properties of the rubber, and make it grow.

Plus, we already saw how Neji's Gentle Fist couldn't keep up with the sheer amount of spider webs coming his way, and he had to rely on rotation (which proved ineffective). This would be the same just based off of:

1. Dodai's ability to mass produce rubber in all three forms (liquid in this case)
2. Dodai merely needs to touch his opponent once, to engulf them in rubber

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Gentle Fist has just been shown to destroy small constructs with a fixed amount of chakra already in something, but with Dodai's liquid rubber his chakra is constantly refueling the substance so that it can grow which cancels out the effect of Gentle Fist because of reapplication of chakra. Now if Neji uses Gentle Fist on his solid forms of rubber yeah, they will be destroyed, but his liquid rubber will not.

Neji will be engulfed in waves of liquid rubber, which then he has two options: rotation (which is ineffective here), and the Gentle Fist body blow (also ineffective). Both choices prove ineffective, so in the end Neji will be suffocated in rubber.

Edit: It'd be a great fight to watch either way, but I feel as if Dodai outperforms Neji here just based on the versatility of rubber. Oh, and if Neji does get in striking distance (which is unlikely), Dodai can expunge rubber from his pores (like Kidomaru's sticky gold armor), and endure the blow.
 
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Chouji, Rasa, Gaara, Kitsuchi, Torune & Fu (together) beat Neji for sure.

Could go either way with Kankuro, Asuma, Kiba, Kimimaro, and Darui.

I'm either not sure or don't care about the outcome with the rest.
 

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Kankuro, Juugo, Kabuto, Kiba, Shino, Omoi, Shikamaru, Shino and Sai definitely lose I believe. So does Mifune.

Gaara, Tsunade, Hidan, Kakashi and Rasa definitely win.

Choji has a chance to win. So does Kimimaro. Suigetsu wins if Gentle Fist can't do anything significant to him. Asuma has a chance to win, but it's lower than the rest.
 

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Kankuro, Juugo, Kabuto, Kiba, Shino, Omoi, Shikamaru, Shino and Sai definitely lose I believe. So does Mifune.

Gaara, Tsunade, Hidan, Kakashi and Rasa definitely win.

Choji has a chance to win. So does Kimimaro. Suigetsu wins if Gentle Fist can't do anything significant to him. Asuma has a chance to win, but it's lower than the rest.
I think Sai would sweep Neji. His ability to go aerial extremely fast (vs the artist duo), and be capable of blitzing Sasori, and Deidara is impressive when they were staring at him prior to being blitzed from behind lol.

But what takes the cake for me, is his ability to mass produce ink explosive paper bombs. That had me thinking, if he's capable of creating explosive tags, and chaining them, why not smoke bombs? Or those large explosive spheres etc.
 

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I think Sai would sweep Neji. His ability to go aerial extremely fast (vs the artist duo), and be capable of blitzing Sasori, and Deidara is impressive when they were staring at him prior to being blitzed from behind lol.

But what takes the cake for me, is his ability to mass produce ink explosive paper bombs. That had me thinking, if he's capable of creating explosive tags, and chaining them, why not smoke bombs? Or those large explosive spheres etc.
That Sai feat is still fishy to me, but if it really happened that way i won't argue it's validity. Though unless he blitzed them with no reaction at all I doubt he'll do the same to Neji. As long as Neji can react well enough to use Body Blow or Rotation he should be fine.

And can you post scans of him blitzing the artist duo and of the bold. Not familiar with Sai's feats at all.
 

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That Sai feat is still fishy to me, but if it really happened that way i won't argue it's validity. Though unless he blitzed them with no reaction at all I doubt he'll do the same to Neji. As long as Neji can react well enough to use Body Blow or Rotation he should be fine.

And can you post scans of him blitzing the artist duo and of the bold. Not familiar with Sai's feats at all.
Yeah it happened, I'll find a link in a sec on my phone. Here is Sai's aerial blitz which should've been basically impossible I mean they saw him drawing, and he threatened them yet...

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Sai is pretty nasty tbh.

Edit: Scans of Sai drawing paper bombs chained together. And the explosions are pretty big considering.

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Sai could probably tag Neji with an explosive tag, then detonate it, or approach close proximity while aerial, and detonate before Neji could react.
 
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You're correct, but that's only if Dodai doesn't trap his limbs. Remember Kidomaru had done so, but his hands were in contact with the webbings?
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Dodai is much faster than Neji, and would be capable of tagging him before he'd initially be able to react. Two touches would be all he needs to bind his hands at the wrist so Neji wouldn't use Gentle Fist to destroy the chakra inside. Becaue once his rubber is attached, he can enhance the physical properties of the rubber, and make it grow.

Plus, we already saw how Neji's Gentle Fist couldn't keep up with the sheer amount of spider webs coming his way, and he had to rely on rotation (which proved ineffective). This would be the same just based off of:

1. Dodai's ability to mass produce rubber in all three forms (liquid in this case)
2. Dodai merely needs to touch his opponent once, to engulf them in rubber

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Gentle Fist has just been shown to destroy small constructs with a fixed amount of chakra already in something, but with Dodai's liquid rubber his chakra is constantly refueling the substance so that it can grow which cancels out the effect of Gentle Fist because of reapplication of chakra. Now if Neji uses Gentle Fist on his solid forms of rubber yeah, they will be destroyed, but his liquid rubber will not.

Neji will be engulfed in waves of liquid rubber, which then he has two options: rotation (which is ineffective here), and the Gentle Fist body blow (also ineffective). Both choices prove ineffective, so in the end Neji will be suffocated in rubber.

Edit: It'd be a great fight to watch either way, but I feel as if Dodai outperforms Neji here just based on the versatility of rubber. Oh, and if Neji does get in striking distance (which is unlikely), Dodai can expunge rubber from his pores (like Kidomaru's sticky gold armor), and endure the blow.
Kidomaru have tried to bind Neji's hands btw
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but still failed

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even if Dodai trapped his limbs, it is still useless. because Neji can inject chakra from every Chakra point in his body and just the hands
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Rotation is ineffective because the liquid rubber would prevent Neji from spinning (just like Kidomaru's webs), but it would not prevent him from releasing Chakra.

and it is true that he only destroyed a samll Chakra substance with that release but he also only released a small amount of Chakra. however a large and powerful release of Chakra would destroy (or at least repel) the liquid rubber giving Neji a space for evasion.

SRA Neji wide arc of Chakra was able to deflect Kidomaru's super fast arrow.
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I can't see why it wouldn't repel the rubber.

Yeah it happened, I'll find a link in a sec on my phone. Here is Sai's aerial blitz which should've been basically impossible I mean they saw him drawing, and he threatened them yet...

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Sai is pretty nasty tbh.

Edit: Scans of Sai drawing paper bombs chained together. And the explosions are pretty big considering.

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Sai could probably tag Neji with an explosive tag, then detonate it, or approach close proximity while aerial, and detonate before Neji could react.
I agree. Sai can defeat Neji mainly because he can easily keep his distance and bombard him with offenseive Jutsu.

but doesn't he get that insanely fast only when he gets angry?
 
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Kidomaru have tried to bind Neji's hands btw
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but still failed

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even if Dodai trapped his limbs, it is still useless. because Neji can inject chakra from every Chakra point in his body and just the hands
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Rotation is ineffective because the liquid rubber would prevent Neji from spinning (just like Kidomaru's webs), but it would not prevent him from releasing Chakra.

and it is true that he only destroyed a samll Chakra substance with that release but he also only released a small amount of Chakra. however a large and powerful release of Chakra would destroy (or at least repel) the liquid rubber giving Neji a space for evasion.

SRA Neji wide arc of Chakra was able to deflect Kidomaru's super fast arrow.
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I can't see why it wouldn't repel the rubber.
On my phone, will be able to go in further detail when I get home.

But the reason why body blow wouldn't work on the rubber substance, is because:

1. Dodai controls the substance similar to how Gaara, and Rasa control their elements. If this weren't the case, the earth wall erected wouldn't have been covered by the liquid rubber, and it's properties were shown to be controlled.

2. Thanks to Dodai's ability to control the rubber in liquid form, if Neji attempts to repel the substance, Dodai will simply command the rubber to engulf Neji. The process will repeat until eventually Neji is caught.

3. Rubber is a much more durable & heavy substance than what Neji has shown to repel in the series. That alone, coupled by the sheer amount of rubber Dodai can conjure in an instant, gives me doubts that Neji would even be capable of evading all, if any of the rubber, just based on the quantities Dodai can summon.

Regarding the usage of chakra to change the trajectory of Kidomaru's arrow, doesn't play much of a role herr, because these are two different methods of assault, and even so, Neji was still tagged by Kidomaru's arrow, only evading a fatal injury.

That being said, the method of attack determines said chakra "shroud's", usefulness. That technique Neji used is for singular projectile (s), it isn't meant for jutsu that cover wide areas of effect.

That being said, Dodai's speed gives him the advantage here, that, and his ability to conjure Rubber of any form throughout his pores, it's too lethal for Neji.

I'll edit this post on my laptop. A lot more to add.
 

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On my phone, will be able to go in further detail when I get home.

But the reason why body blow wouldn't work on the rubber substance, is because:

1. Dodai controls the substance similar to how Gaara, and Rasa control their elements. If this weren't the case, the earth wall erected wouldn't have been covered by the liquid rubber, and it's properties were shown to be controlled.

2. Thanks to Dodai's ability to control the rubber in liquid form, if Neji attempts to repel the substance, Dodai will simply command the rubber to engulf Neji. The process will repeat until eventually Neji is caught.

3. Rubber is a much more durable & heavy substance than what Neji has shown to repel in the series. That alone, coupled by the sheer amount of rubber Dodai can conjure in an instant, gives me doubts that Neji would even be capable of evading all, if any of the rubber, just based on the quantities Dodai can summon.

Regarding the usage of chakra to change the trajectory of Kidomaru's arrow, doesn't play much of a role herr, because these are two different methods of assault, and even so, Neji was still tagged by Kidomaru's arrow, only evading a fatal injury.

That being said, the method of attack determines said chakra "shroud's", usefulness. That technique Neji used is for singular projectile (s), it isn't meant for jutsu that cover wide areas of effect.

That being said, Dodai's speed gives him the advantage here, that, and his ability to conjure Rubber of any form throughout his pores, it's too lethal for Neji.

I'll edit this post on my laptop. A lot more to add.
1. his launching to the liquid rubber seems similar to launching Fireball Jutsu or Mei's Lava Jutsu. he can manipulate what he launches and shape it as he like when turning it to solid, but manipulating it like Gaara and Rasa do to their elements? well, you can say that... I guess, but there's nothing that suggests that his rubber would remain liquid and won't solidify

2. I don't think that he is capable of doing such, because that there is nothing suggests that his liquid rubber would remain liquid and even if he caught Neji, the liquid rubber would solidify and Neji would break free

3. Rotation have repelled the Juubi's hand, something that is far heavier and more durable than anything Dodai can throw, a wide arc of Chakra w/o the spinning is less durable than rotation of course but SRA Neji with a small amount of Chakra released compared to what part 2 Neji can release, was able to deflect the path of an arrow with an incredible piercing force, that tells you that it is capable.

based on the Databook states, part 2 Neji can make a Chakra dome with this scale
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I made a thread that explains things in detail, check it if you want

now imagine that amount of chakra lunched with a one blow body. that should give Neji at least a chance of evasion
 
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Yeah it happened, I'll find a link in a sec on my phone. Here is Sai's aerial blitz which should've been basically impossible I mean they saw him drawing, and he threatened them yet...

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Sai is pretty nasty tbh.

Edit: Scans of Sai drawing paper bombs chained together. And the explosions are pretty big considering.

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Sai could probably tag Neji with an explosive tag, then detonate it, or approach close proximity while aerial, and detonate before Neji could react.
Damn Sai really is a beast as of the War Arc. I agree that he'd defeat Neji.
 

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1. his launching to the liquid rubber seems similar to launching Fireball Jutsu or Mei's Lava Jutsu. he can manipulate what he launches and shape it as he like when turning it to solid, but manipulating it like Gaara and Rasa do to their elements? well, you can say that... I guess, but there's nothing that suggests that his rubber would remain liquid and won't solidify

2. I don't think that he is capable of doing such, because that there is nothing suggests that his liquid rubber would remain liquid and even if he caught Neji, the liquid rubber would solidify and Neji would break free

3. Rotation have repelled the Juubi's hand, something that is far heavier and more durable than anything Dodai can throw, a wide arc of Chakra w/o the spinning is less durable than rotation of course but SRA Neji with a small amount of Chakra released compared to what part 2 Neji can release, was able to deflect the path of an arrow with an incredible piercing force, that tells you that it is capable.

based on the Databook states, part 2 Neji can make a Chakra dome with this scale
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I made a thread that explains things in detail, check it if you want

now imagine that amount of chakra lunched with a one blow body. that should give Neji at least a chance of evasion
1-2. You've first got to understand, Dodai is the best lava style user canonically in the manga, as he's the first the to use lava in the form known as rubber, coupled with the fact that he isn't limited to producing the nature orally like the other lava users (though Roshi can use I believe one technique through his fist), other than that, no other ninja in the manga can perform like Dodai can.

That being said, his manipulation of rubber isn't anything like fireball jutsu, or Mei's lava style jutsu, because Dodai doesn't use it orally (though he can). As shown in the manga, Dodai has control over the rubber, because if such wasn't true it wouldn't have:

Furthermore, remember I said that Dodai has complete control over rubber? He chooses rather the substance will harden, or remain in a liquidized state.

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Here's an example of hardened rubber (capable of enduring the recoil force of Madara's meteors unscathed, something Gaara's sand could not).

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Your claim for Neji's survival relied upon the presumption Dodai's rubber would solidify, but the hardening of his rubber is based on his decision, therefore Neji is engulfed in rubber, and suffocated.

3. Good thread, I agree that making a rotation of that size isn't a reach, it just takes the implication of exuding a lot of chakra around the user's body, then rotating. Though, that won't help here because the sheer amount (as I said earlier) of rubber that Dodai can produce is insane.

Dodai's rubber production can be heavily increased if he's standing on earth, because Lava release is a conjunction of both fire, and earth release, it only makes sense that he'd flourish with the same element that made the Kekkei Genkai. Here, you can see Dodai slamming his hands into the ground, and Naruto falling:

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Reason why Naruto fell is because:

1. He was closer than the other ninja
2. He had become unbalanced due to Dodai using the earth as a medium for his Lava Release, to produce more rubber

This signifies, that if Dodai has any type of land that he can melt with his fire chakra, he can increase his rubber production, exactly like how Gaara crushes the minerals in the ground to create more sand.

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So take this into consideration, how much rubber do you think Dodai could produce if he wasn't in a hurry against someone as fast, or faster than a V1 Sandaime Raikage? On top of the fact he melted the earth instantly, to produce the rubber wall? On top of the fact that he created this in an instant:
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Note, that's the incomplete version of the rubber wall, yet its large enough to fit 30+ men (I could've added much more if I cropped properly) inside of its incomplete stage. Again, must I note, that Dodai did that in an instant.

I don't see Neji having a chance here, at all. Not when he has to go against someone that can:
  • Instantly create rubber walls able to engulf 30+ men
  • Control his liquefied rubber
  • Exude rubber from his pores in either liquid, or solid form (a strong counter to CQC fighters)
  • Reaction speed/Combative speed/etc. That allowed him to outperform the 3rd Raikage
  • Tiers faster than Neji
  • Fight from Short-Mid-Long range at will

It's just to far of a stretch to believe Neji can hang with this guy.

Damn Sai really is a beast as of the War Arc. I agree that he'd defeat Neji.
Seriously, people sleep on the guy, but he can take on a fair amount of opponents. I think people were saying he'd lose to Zabuza, and I just played back in my mind how? Guy is underrated, though its understandable.
 
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The width of the earth wall is > 2 Hiashi rotations. Dodai covered the entire width in almost an instant.

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Lol no way Neji is evading this.
 

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1-2. You've first got to understand, Dodai is the best lava style user canonically in the manga, as he's the first the to use lava in the form known as rubber, coupled with the fact that he isn't limited to producing the nature orally like the other lava users (though Roshi can use I believe one technique through his fist), other than that, no other ninja in the manga can perform like Dodai can.

That being said, his manipulation of rubber isn't anything like fireball jutsu, or Mei's lava style jutsu, because Dodai doesn't use it orally (though he can). As shown in the manga, Dodai has control over the rubber, because if such wasn't true it wouldn't have:

ok.

Furthermore, remember I said that Dodai has complete control over rubber? He chooses rather the substance will harden, or remain in a liquidized state.

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@bold. evidence..?

him being able to control the rubber in the same manner as Gaara and Rasa control their elements isn't an evidence for that claim. and the scan you posted doesn't really prove anything at all.

Here's an example of hardened rubber (capable of enduring the recoil force of Madara's meteors unscathed, something Gaara's sand could not).

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that's quite impressive actually.

but it can not defend against the gentle fist

Your claim for Neji's survival relied upon the presumption Dodai's rubber would solidify, but the hardening of his rubber is based on his decision, therefore Neji is engulfed in rubber, and suffocated.
again evidence?

3. Good thread, I agree that making a rotation of that size isn't a reach, it just takes the implication of exuding a lot of chakra around the user's body, then rotating. Though, that won't help here because the sheer amount (as I said earlier) of rubber that Dodai can produce is insane.
thanks. my point was that if he can release a large amount of Chakra to create a Rotation with that scale. imagine if he performed a powerful one blow body with releasing that much Chakra.

One Blow Body can destroy Chakra based substances as was shown when Neji destroyed Kido's webs and Kisame's water prison. a powerful blow body with that scale should destroy a large amount of rubber which would give him some space for evasion.

but if Dodai surrounded him with an insane amount of rubber from all angels, then Neji would not be able to evade. but he can still cover himself with a dome of Chakra to prevent the liquid rubber from making contact with him and wait for it to solidify then cut through it.

Dodai's rubber production can be heavily increased if he's standing on earth, because Lava release is a conjunction of both fire, and earth release, it only makes sense that he'd flourish with the same element that made the Kekkei Genkai. Here, you can see Dodai slamming his hands into the ground, and Naruto falling:

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Reason why Naruto fell is because:

1. He was closer than the other ninja
2. He had become unbalanced due to Dodai using the earth as a medium for his Lava Release, to produce more rubber

This signifies, that if Dodai has any type of land that he can melt with his fire chakra, he can increase his rubber production, exactly like how Gaara crushes the minerals in the ground to create more sand.

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what you said really makes sense but can a Chakra element really be used with a natural element? isn't the Chakra elements can only be combined with another Chakra elements?

and the Gaara example is not really that relevant

So take this into consideration, how much rubber do you think Dodai could produce if he wasn't in a hurry against someone as fast, or faster than a V1 Sandaime Raikage? On top of the fact he melted the earth instantly, to produce the rubber wall? On top of the fact that he created this in an instant:
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Note, that's the incomplete version of the rubber wall, yet its large enough to fit 30+ men (I could've added much more if I cropped properly) inside of its incomplete stage. Again, must I note, that Dodai did that in an instant.
he sure is fast, but Neji with the Byakugan can see the Chakra build up and can predict the attack which would give him a better chance for reaction, and just because the attack fitted 30 men doesn't really make it unevadeable for a Ninja ya' know. there are attacks larger than this that was easily evaded by genins.

but if he can release far more amount of rubber than he did in the Manga then yes, he would engulf Neji. and I actually agree. I think he is capable

but the question is, can he really control the form of his rubber and change it from solid to liquid or VV as he wishes? if yes, then he would win, if not, I think he would lose

I don't see Neji having a chance here, at all. Not when he has to go against someone that can:
  • Instantly create rubber walls able to engulf 30+ men
  • Control his liquefied rubber
  • Exude rubber from his pores in either liquid or solid form (a strong counter to CQC fighters)
  • Reaction speed/Combative speed/etc. That allowed him to outperform the 3rd Raikage
  • Tiers faster than Neji
  • Fight from Short-Mid-Long range at will
It's just to far of a stretch to believe Neji can hang with this guy.
Dodai seems to be tiers above Neji that's for sure. but I believe that Neji is just a bad match up for him

what your thoughts about Dodai vs Kimimaro?

The width of the earth wall is > 2 Hiashi rotations. Dodai covered the entire width in almost an instant.

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Lol no way Neji is evading this.
doesn't that mean that one Blow Body would destroy the half of that wall? :|
 
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@bold. evidence..?

him being able to control the rubber in the same manner as Gaara and Rasa control their elements isn't an evidence for that claim. and the scan you posted doesn't really prove anything at all.
What do you mean said scan doesn't prove anything? Do you not see the rubber remained in a liquidated form? Are you really attempting to say that someone who has total control over their respective KKG, enough that he's able to create both liquid, and solid constructs that he's unable to control the state of which his KKG remains? Does that truly make sense to you?

That's like saying Haku's Ice should turn to water after his initial usage. Or that Haku doesn't control the state of which his ice remains/takes. Lol that doesn't make sense bro, of course Dodai is able to control the state his technique remains in, that's the whole point of being able to use differentiated techniques.



that's quite impressive actually.

but it can not defend against the gentle fist
Lol duh. I already stated the hardened version of Dodai's lava style would get destroy by Gentle Fist, only the liquid rubber would > Gentle Fist due to reapplication of chakra nullifying the Gentle Fist's ability to insert chakra, and destroy chakra.

again evidence?
Already proved.

thanks. my point was that if he can release a large amount of Chakra to create a Rotation with that scale. imagine if he performed a powerful one blow body with releasing that much Chakra.

One Blow Body can destroy Chakra based substances as was shown when Neji destroyed Kido's webs and Kisame's water prison. a powerful blow body with that scale should destroy a large amount of rubber which would give him some space for evasion.

but if Dodai surrounded him with an insane amount of rubber from all angels, then Neji would not be able to evade. but he can still cover himself with a dome of Chakra to prevent the liquid rubber from making contact with him and wait for it to solidify then cut through it.
Lol see, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and saying Neji should be able to, but since you require manga evidence for everything I've stated (which I've shown), I want you to provide evidence of Neji using Hiashi sized rotations/One Blow Bodys. You can't canonically, therefore Neji is limited to his normal sized Rotations, and OBBs.

With that realized, you again said it yourself Neji will be caught. With a smaller rotation than Hiashi's, and the fact that Dodai's rubber doesn't solidify unless he wills it to, Neji suffocates, and dies. That, and Neji cannot form a shroud that's capable of carrying the weight of Dodai's rubber lol, the only time Neji used a chakra shroud/shield was against Kidomaru to slightly shift the trajectory of the arrow so it wouldn't strike a fatal area. Neji couldn't shift the arrow anymore, because his chakra shroud/shield couldn't. Even thinking such would uphold Dodai's liquid rubber is insane honestly.

Oh, and Dodai's rubber >>> Kisame's water prison. Water isn't as dense as rubber. The rubber will not be destroyed, as it would act similar to a human body, or how Zetsu simply got repelled, because again, rubber is much more durable due to its compactness (unlike the water prison jutsu). What would happen if Neji used OBB, would be the rubber will be blown back a bit, but in the end engulf him, and that's only counting the rubber in direct contact with him, Dodai could set up waves, and waves of liquid rubber which would eventually capture Neji, and end him.



what you said really makes sense but can a Chakra element really be used with a natural element? isn't the Chakra elements can only be combined with another Chakra elements?

and the Gaara example is not really that relevant
Lol of course it can. Earth users implement their chakra into the "natural element" of land. This is no different. Dodai inserts his fire chakra into the earth, and creates more rubber. Simple.

Lol it is relevant though, it shows chakra is able to interact with the earth, and create more substance if need be, and it was an example relating to Dodai's rubber production via similar methods.

he sure is fast, but Neji with the Byakugan can see the Chakra build up and can predict the attack which would give him a better chance for reaction, and just because the attack fitted 30 men doesn't really make it unevadeable for a Ninja ya' know. there are attacks larger than this that was easily evaded by genins.

but if he can release far more amount of rubber than he did in the Manga then yes, he would engulf Neji. and I actually agree. I think he is capable

but the question is, can he really control the form of his rubber and change it from solid to liquid or VV as he wishes? if yes, then he would win, if not, I think he would lose
Neji can see chakra build up yeah, and he can also note where the attack is coming from, but he can't outrun the wide range of area Dodai's liquid rubber covers, eventually the Hyuga gets overwhelmed (we can get tactical with this discussion if you want, I'm great at strategy lol). Literally all Dodai has to do is stay mid-long (though even if he goes short he's faster than Neji by several tiers, and would undeniably tag him before he could react in short range), and swarm/spam Neji with constant liquid rubber assaults.

Literally Neji will be on the defensive 100%, and will be unable to go on the offense. What's even more deadly about Dodai's sheer ability to overwhelm the target, Neji will be preoccupied by the masses of liquid rubber constantly assaulting him, that the ability to slip up (and the Byakugan have a blind spot), that Dodai could erect another wave of rubber underneath Neji, restricting him there.

Literally the possibilities regarding Dodai's control, and methods of winning are vast. I truly don't see how Neji wins here lol. He's outclassed, outperformed, and outplayed.



Dodai seems to tiers above Neji that's for sure. but I believe that Neji is just a bad match up for him

what your thoughts about Dodai vs Kimimaro?



doesn't that mean that one Blow Body would destroy the half of that wall? :|
Doesn't seem like a bad match up to me, seems like Neji's Gentle Fist is the only problem (for his solid constructs), other than that it's a cake walk honestly lol. Dodai is superior in this match up imo.

Dodai would beat Kimimaro, his bones cannot penetrate any of his rubber constructs, and that's a fact. 3 finger hell stab > 4 finger hellstab =/= Raikiri > Chidori > Kimimaro's bones. Dodai would literally destroy Kimimaro, and it's not even a low diff, its a neg diff.

Sure, Hiashi's, not Neji's though lol.
 
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What do you mean said scan doesn't prove anything? Do you not see the rubber remained in a liquidated form? Are you really attempting to say that someone who has total control over their respective KKG, enough that he's able to create both liquid, and solid constructs that he's unable to control the state of which his KKG remains? Does that truly make sense to you?

That's like saying Haku's Ice should turn to water after his initial usage. Or that Haku doesn't control the state of which his ice remains/takes. Lol that doesn't make sense bro, of course, Dodai is able to control the state his technique remains in, that's the whole point of being able to use differentiated techniques.
1. huh? if the rubber was still in liquidated form, then the Raikage should've slipped through it easily, focus on the first and the last panel
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it was clearly solid

2. I thought Dodai substance are from those types of substances which are initially a liquid but solidify when it touches the air, I mean isn't it? and just because someone can control his element to move or shape it doesn't mean that he can control its state but if his KGG was similar Haku's then yeah you might be right

Lol duh. I already stated the hardened version of Dodai's lava style would get destroy by Gentle Fist, only the liquid rubber would > Gentle Fist due to reapplication of chakra nullifying the Gentle Fist's ability to insert chakra, and destroy chakra.
tbh I didn't quite get it :sweat:

isn't the rubber itself a chakra? or is it just like Kido's webs, a natural substance with internal Chakra flow in it?

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if the rubber was itself a Chakra then it would be destroyed regardless of its form.

Lol of course it can. Earth users implement their chakra into the "natural element" of land. This is no different. Dodai inserts his fire chakra into the earth, and creates more rubber. Simple.

Lol it is relevant though, it shows chakra is able to interact with the earth, and create more substance if need be, and it was an example relating to Dodai's rubber production via similar methods.
I am not knowledgeable about all that, so I'll just agree

Lol see, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and saying Neji should be able to, but since you require manga evidence for everything I've stated (which I've shown), I want you to provide evidence of Neji using Hiashi sized rotations/One Blow Bodys. You can't canonically, therefore Neji is limited to his normal sized Rotations, and OBBs.
I only needed an evidence for whether Dodai can control the state of his substance or not. but when you stated that Dodai can release an insane amount of rubber even greater than the one he did in the Manga, you supported a Manga scan[ ] with a logical explanation, so I conceded

and when I stated that Neji should be able to, I made a thread where I used the DB states and some Manga scans to support my claim and you already conceded
3. Good thread, I agree that making a rotation of that size isn't a reach, it just takes the implication of exuding a lot of chakra around the user's body, then rotating. Though, that won't help here because the sheer amount (as I said earlier) of rubber that Dodai can produce is insane.

and here are some feats
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you can see that Neji's Rotation was equal to Hiashi's. sure it is not as big as the one that Hiashi pulled in part 1 but I explained why in the thread I made

With that realized, you again said it yourself Neji will be caught. With a smaller rotation than Hiashi's, and the fact that Dodai's rubber doesn't solidify unless he wills it to, Neji suffocates, and dies. That, and Neji cannot form a shroud that's capable of carrying the weight of Dodai's rubber lol, the only time Neji used a chakra shroud/shield was against Kidomaru to slightly shift the trajectory of the arrow so it wouldn't strike a fatal area. Neji couldn't shift the arrow anymore, because his chakra shroud/shield couldn't. Even thinking such would uphold Dodai's liquid rubber is insane honestly.
don't forget that Kidomaru's arrow had an incredible piercing force, so deflecting it even slightly, still proves that it is capable. of course an insane amount of rubber would be incredibly heavy, so the version that SRA Neji used would be squashed, but part 2 Neji can release far more amount of Chakra than SRA Neji so he should at least be able to repel it for some time or he can just spam OBB and keep destroying the rubber to make his way through

Oh, and Dodai's rubber >>> Kisame's water prison. Water isn't as dense as rubber. The rubber will not be destroyed, as it would act similar to a human body, or how Zetsu simply got repelled, because again, rubber is much more durable due to its compactness (unlike the water prison jutsu). What would happen if Neji used OBB, would be the rubber will be blown back a bit, but in the end engulf him, and that's only counting the rubber in direct contact with him, Dodai could set up waves, and waves of liquid rubber which would eventually capture Neji, and end him.
the rubber being more durable is irrelevant because both of them are Chakra based substances so both of them would be affected by the gentle fist.

Kidomaru's web was strong enough to bind two elephants yet it didn't bind a 13 y/o Hyuga kid who has the ability to release Chakra from every Tenketsu in his body


Neji can see chakra build up yeah, and he can also note where the attack is coming from, but he can't outrun the wide range of area Dodai's liquid rubber covers, eventually the Hyuga gets overwhelmed (we can get tactical with this discussion if you want, I'm great at strategy lol). Literally all Dodai has to do is stay mid-long (though even if he goes short he's faster than Neji by several tiers, and would undeniably tag him before he could react in short range), and swarm/spam Neji with constant liquid rubber assaults.

Literally Neji will be on the defensive 100%, and will be unable to go on the offense. What's even more deadly about Dodai's sheer ability to overwhelm the target, Neji will be preoccupied by the masses of liquid rubber constantly assaulting him, that the ability to slip up (and the Byakugan have a blind spot), that Dodai could erect another wave of rubber underneath Neji, restricting him there.

Literally the possibilities regarding Dodai's control, and methods of winning are vast. I truly don't see how Neji wins here lol. He's outclassed, outperformed, and outplayed.
the only things that will help Neji are OBB and Shunshin and probably the Byakugan. if Neji can perform a big Rotation like Hiashi's then a one OBB would destroy a considerable amount of Rubber. so let us say Dodai tried to engulf Neji with waves of rubber, an OBB would create a hole in the waves which would give Neji a big space for evasion. using Shunshin, I think he can pull it off

and it depends on the stamina TBH. creating and controlling an insane amount of rubber would need an insane amount of Chakra. and so is the case with Neji and massive Rotations and OBBs. it can go either way, but I agree Dodai has the advantage, so he would likely win though not easily


Doesn't seem like a bad match up to me, seems like Neji's Gentle Fist is the only problem (for his solid constructs), other than that it's a cake walk honestly lol. Dodai is superior in this match up imo.
what makes this debateable is Neji's ability to destroy any Chakra based substancances. Shino would be a much better match up IMO, his insects can devour Chakra right?

Dodai would beat Kimimaro, his bones cannot penetrate any of his rubber constructs, and that's a fact. 3 finger hell stab > 4 finger hellstab =/= Raikiri > Chidori > Kimimaro's bones. Dodai would literally destroy Kimimaro, and it's not even a low diff, its a neg diff.
I think Kimi can make it to mid diff. even if Dodai trapped him, he can still escape using bone forest which would make Dodai try to trap him again and again and again, but he would be taken down eventually his case is the same as Neji's

Sure, Hiashi's, not Neji's though lol.
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I think Hiashi has a better chance at defeating Dodai than Neji.
 
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