[VS] Hyuga Neji Takes The Gauntlet!!!

[super yang]

You're not comprehending the fact that Kiba's attack is rotational, just like Neji's. Your statement is baseless until you can show me a single instance in the manga where Kaiten repelled another rotational attack moving in the opposite direction. What Kiba is essentially doing is putting brakes on Neji's rotation, with a counter rotation of his own. Garoga packed enough force to put a huge dent into a Rashomon gate back in part one. War-Arc Kiba can obviously do even better, and perform Garoga x2 with the addition of shadow clones. Nejis is toast.

you're reasoning has too many holes in it.

nejis rotatial force can't be ''countered'' unless his shield is overwhelmed by mass/energy or his body is hit.
in comparison, kibas rotational force alone doesn't protect his center of mass(body) like nejis borg does. he can't even stop him self from losing traction & staying grounded let alone maintain a straight line to hit neji.

and if kibas attack comes from mid-air, instead of tracking across the ground, its completely useless

and even if it were an even technique comparison, i'm not sure why U think kiba has an advantage when his linear motion causes drag & has already begun to decrease his force, only to be accentuated by the shield.

neji is anchored, kiba is not. kaiten won't turn off when kiba penetrates it. it won't pop or poof when hit
the barrier is not rigid like its opposition(kiba or a rashoumoun gate for that matter).
it is fluid & volatile.

its rotation gives it repelling power, yes.
but dont ovelook that the superior mass of chakra is also pushing outward, spinning or not(like bodyblow). so there is actually 3 differnt forces for kiba to overcome, vs only 1 for neji

so its a sphere of *anchored spin+superior mass/energy+friction(chakra-blowback)* vs a disk w/ *un-anchored spin*

 

[blazekev90]

How quickly can he use rotation after rotation?

Pretty fast considering the speed of his rotation. Ask Dra, he's better aware of that than I am.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If we go off anime feats neji spins at roughly Mach 2...

Manga only tho:

Kiba's fang wolf fang would have to match neji's rotation speed. After that he busts through. With no spin backing it up it's extremely weak(as seen vs kido and wood spikes)So counteracting the spin even a little let's you slip into his "absolute defence"

 

[Draegod]

Which can't necessarily be determined. If anything, they'd possibly cancel one another. Kiba's rotation is premeditated (as he prepares) so Neji would be full aware of which direction Kiba would be rotating. So, depending on Neji, it'll end either clash or compliment one another. Can't really say which would have the upper hand, so should just exclude both feats. At least that's my opinion on the outcome.

Agreed!

@FT
The burden of proof is ultimately upon you FT, since rotation has yet to be breached at full spin. What proof and spin velocity kiba has is unknown since tail chaser has only been used once of a non factor object. While even the mass and power of the juubi failed against rotations absolute defense (feat, manga, hype, and databook facts). That's like you saying yata beats jinton with zero proof but only hype. And hype plus feats say rotation knocks kiba back FT

 

[Draegod]

you're reasoning has too many holes in it.

nejis rotatial force can't be ''countered'' unless his shield is overwhelmed by mass/energy or his body is hit.
in comparison, kibas rotational force alone doesn't protect his center of mass(body) like nejis borg does. he can't even stop him self from losing traction & staying grounded let alone maintain a straight line to hit neji.

and if kibas attack comes from mid-air, instead of tracking across the ground, its completely useless

and even if it were an even technique comparison, i'm not sure why U think kiba has an advantage when his linear motion causes drag & has already begun to decrease his force, only to be accentuated by the shield.

neji is anchored, kiba is not. kaiten won't turn off when kiba penetrates it. it won't pop or poof when hit
the barrier is not rigid like its opposition(kiba or a rashoumoun gate for that matter).
it is fluid & volatile.

its rotation gives it repelling power, yes.
but dont ovelook that the superior mass of chakra is also pushing outward, spinning or not(like bodyblow). so there is actually 3 differnt forces for kiba to overcome, vs only 1 for neji

so its a sphere of *anchored spin+superior mass/energy+friction(chakra-blowback)* vs a disk w/ *un-anchored spin*

My boi super is hitting them with physics 101! They not ready for this simple explanation you've given them bro! I may need to draw it step by step. Smh

 

[super yang]

Agreed!

@FT
The burden of proof is ultimately upon you FT, since rotation has yet to be breached at full spin. What proof and spin velocity kiba has is unknown since tail chaser has only been used once of a non factor object. While even the mass and power of the juubi failed against rotations absolute defense (feat, manga, hype, and databook facts). That's like you saying yata beats jinton with zero proof but only hype. And hype plus feats say rotation knocks kiba back FT

Which can't necessarily be determined. If anything, they'd possibly cancel one another. Kiba's rotation is premeditated (as he prepares) so Neji would be full aware of which direction Kiba would be rotating. So, depending on Neji, it'll end either clash or compliment one another. Can't really say which would have the upper hand, so should just exclude both feats. At least that's my opinion on the outcome.

yeah, what U cant just flatly say is that:
''kibas -spin somehow categorically & unequivocally negates/counters nejis -spin - but not vice versa!!'' and then claim to be objective.

just looking at that as a 1st premise, even before discussing the particulars, already displays a fallacy

 

[BenjerminGaye]

yeah, what U cant just flatly say is that ''kibas -spin somehow categorically & unequivocally negates/counters nejis -spin - but not vice versa!! ''and then claim to be objective.

just looking at that as a 1st premise, even before discussing the particulars, already displays a fallacy

The reason it doesn't go vise versa is because it's made clear that neji's power (in terms of rotation) comes from his spin. If he isn't spinning fast enough things get through.

Kiba on the other hand even without spin wouldn't change the fact that a giant dog is coming at you.

So if you're cancelling spin from both sides of the equation (which you really can't do since both sides may not be equal) it favors kiba.

 

[super yang]

The reason it doesn't go vise versa is because it's made clear that neji's power (in terms of rotation) comes from his spin. If he isn't spinning fast enough things get through.

Kiba on the other hand even without spin wouldn't change the fact that a giant dog is coming at you.
So if you're cancelling spin from both sides of the equation (which you really can't do since both sides may not be equal) it favors kiba.

no, its deflecting properties come from rotation. the power actually comes from the rapid expulsion of compressed chakra.
cuz, U know, body blow is a thing & wall palm is a thing

kiba w/o spin is transformed from a dynamic, penetrating taijutsu technique to something w/ less mass/energy & force than 3 juubi fingers.

meanwhile neji 1-palmed a spider that was around half the size of this giant dog

so if U cancel spin from both sides(why can't you?), kiba becomes a sitting duck, leveled by a massive bodyblow technique

now commence the playing w/ word translations & spinning of unequivalent analogies & comparisons

 

[Curse Mark]

My boi super is hitting them with physics 101! They not ready for this simple explanation you've given them bro! I may need to draw it step by step. Smh

I'll rep ya if you draw it out just because i think it'd be interesting to see.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

no, its deflecting properties come from rotation. the power actually comes from the rapid expulsion of compressed chakra.
cuz, U know, body blow is a thing & wall palm is a thing

kiba w/o spin is transformed from a dynamic, penetrating taijutsu technique to something w/ less mass/energy & force than 3 juubi fingers.

meanwhile neji 1-palmed a spider that was around half the size of this giant dog

now commence the playing w/ word translations & spinning of unequivalent analogies & comparisons

Using body blow to push back a zetsu isnt comparable to holding off a juubi palm. The scales are vastly different showing the effects of the spin on his defense.

Unless you truly believe 1 body blow or air palm (neji doesn't have wall palm) can stop kiba.

 

[super yang]

Using body blow to push back a zetsu isnt comparable to holding off a juubi palm. The scales are vastly different showing the effects of the spin on his defense.

kiba is the comparison.

Unless you truly believe 1 body blow or air palm (neji doesn't have wall palm) can stop a non-spinning kiba.

of course I do

 

[BenjerminGaye]

kiba is the comparison.


of course I do

Air palm is stopping this guy:

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Yeahh. Spin or no spin I can't agree with you on that one.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

you're reasoning has too many holes in it.

nejis rotatial force can't be ''countered'' unless his shield is overwhelmed by mass/energy or his body is hit.
in comparison, kibas rotational force alone doesn't protect his center of mass(body) like nejis borg does. he can't even stop him self from losing traction & staying grounded let alone maintain a straight line to hit neji.

and if kibas attack comes from mid-air, instead of tracking across the ground, its completely useless

and even if it were an even technique comparison, i'm not sure why U think kiba has an advantage when his linear motion causes drag & has already begun to decrease his force, only to be accentuated by the shield.

neji is anchored, kiba is not. kaiten won't turn off when kiba penetrates it. it won't pop or poof when hit
the barrier is not rigid like its opposition(kiba or a rashoumoun gate for that matter).
it is fluid & volatile.

its rotation gives it repelling power, yes.
but dont ovelook that the superior mass of chakra is also pushing outward, spinning or not(like bodyblow). so there is actually 3 differnt forces for kiba to overcome, vs only 1 for neji

so its a sphere of *anchored spin+superior mass/energy+friction(chakra-blowback)* vs a disk w/ *un-anchored spin*

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You went on and on about practically nothing. Here we have Kaiten being completely countered by halting it's rotation. So your points on how Neji's rotation protects his body, him being anchored, and rotation pushing out regardless if it's even spinning or not has just been proven irrelevant and/or false.

You may have a decent point, if Kiba attacks from the sides, but not from top center of it. Garoga, as stated and conveniently ignored, carries enough energy and force to drive a giant dent into a Rashomin gate back in part one. With this amount of power and force driving into Kaiten from the top center while rotating the opposite way would be counteractive for both techniques. However, the one who loses here is Neji because his Kaiten defenses relies on it's rotation, while Kiba still retains the giant mass and force of his Sōtōrō weighing down on Neji regardless if it loses it's rotation.

Agreed!

@FT
The burden of proof is ultimately upon you FT, since rotation has yet to be breached at full spin. What proof and spin velocity kiba has is unknown since tail chaser has only been used once of a non factor object. While even the mass and power of the juubi failed against rotations absolute defense (feat, manga, hype, and databook facts). That's like you saying yata beats jinton with zero proof but only hype. And hype plus feats say rotation knocks kiba back FT

The burden of proof is actually on you when we have cannonically seen that Kaitens spin can be halted from the outside, which is exactly what Garoga would be doing. Tail Chasers sawed right through numerous Jubi clones (made of the Jubis body) with zero resistance, as if it were melted butter - which Sasukes Kusanagi blade and Naruto's FRS couldn't do to a single clone.

 

[Apêx1]

Let's use common sense; when spinning a bottle cap, bey blade, glass bottle etc if it spins fast it spins longer, Life facts. In the image it shows neji for a fact deflecting multiple spikes till he couldn't spin anymore. Like literally in your face, what are you not seeing?

And I don't like that you're so clueless, and don't use common sense in the manga when ppl tell you or show you something. Nothing personal against you, just don't like replying to stupid questions and you seem to keep them coming which is why I ignor you for the most part.

It's nothing like those because force is applied on them only once and they spin using that momentum. Neji uses his feet to keep spinning, the faster his feet move the faster his Kaiten rotates, it's not that he spins once and then he keeps turning around and around like a ballerina. Neji wasn't rotating fast enough as he himself stated, stop arguing against what he said. Either way, nothing suggests Kaiten is capable of stopping something which bisected Juubi clones like they were nothing when the blades of the FRS shuriken failed to bisect one.

 

[super yang]

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You went on and on about practically nothing. Here we have Kaiten being completely countered by halting it's rotation. So your points on how Neji's rotation protects his body, him being anchored, and rotation pushing out regardless if it's even spinning or not has just been proven irrelevant and/or false.

it did protect him.
nothing touched him until he stopped releasing chakra. he even blocked another arrow there
then he stopped altogether to reset himself.
I think you're portraying kaiten as an empty bubble, but its actually full of chakra, not air.

You may have a decent point, if Kiba attacks from the sides, but not from top center of it. Garoga, as stated and conveniently ignored, carries enough energy and force to drive a giant dent into a Rashomin gate back in part one. With this amount of power and force driving into Kaiten from the top center while rotating the opposite way would be counteractive for both techniques. However, the one who loses here is Neji because his Kaiten defenses relies on it's rotation, while Kiba still retains the giant mass and force of his Sōtōrō weighing down on Neji regardless if it loses it's rotation.

no, neji will still blow him away will his shield that is no longer rotating

The burden of proof is actually on you when we have cannonically seen that Kaitens spin can be halted from the outside, which is exactly what Garoga would be doing. Tail Chasers sawed right through numerous Jubi clones (made of the Jubis body) with zero resistance, as if it were melted butter - which Sasukes Kusanagi blade and Naruto's FRS couldn't do to a single clone.

this makes no sense. theres only 1 attack from kiba, not multiple attacks from evry angle slowing him down.
there will be 1 clash, win or lose for either side..
kibas attack doesn't have any complexity like kidomarus layered attack patters or the saturating pressure of the raining wood spikes

 

[Zexion~]

about Sasuke, why u think that he can beat Kakuzu? He is basically hebi Sasuke w/o Curse Mark, he doesnt know how to use MS, he cant activate susasno not even ribcage, he barely uses Amaterasu, he got own by BASE Bee alogside Juugo and Suigetsu, Saved by Karin, he got owned by V1 Bee saved by Juugo, he got owned by Bm Bee saved by Suigetsu... he isnt that great... i think Hebi Sasuke Beats him....(amaterasu gets coutered by oral rebirth)

the common consensus is that base Bee> Kakuzu, I don't agree but yeah, anyways he has Amertarasu. Which changes the battle entirely.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

it did protect him.
nothing touched him until he stopped releasing chakra. he even blocked another arrow there
then he stopped altogether to reset himself.
I think you're portraying kaiten as an empty bubble, but its actually full of chakra, not air.

The purpose was to halt Kaitens rotation, as it did. You stated that Neji's rotation can't be countered because it protects his body, which was just proven false. Kaitens rotation was halted, without Neji being physically harmed. If it can't rotate, it isn't going to properly defend against attacks. Without it, the best Neji can do is alter the momentum/trajectory of small objects. That isn't helping him here against Kiba. If Kaitens rotation is stopped or slowed down, it'll be busted through with Garoga or the force and mass of Sotoro.

no, neji will still blow him away will his shield that is no longer rotating

Absolutely fallacious, and not something I will entertain.

this makes no sense. theres only 1 attack from kiba, not multiple attacks from evry angle slowing him down.
there will be 1 clash, win or lose for either side..
kibas attack doesn't have any complexity like kidomarus layered attack patters or the saturating pressure of the raining wood spikes

Irrelevant. For the last time here. Both rotations will be counteractive towards the other. The purpose of showcasing Kidomaru's feat was to simply display the cannonical fact that Kaitens rotation can indeed be halted without having to directly disrupt Neji.

 

[super yang]

The purpose was to halt Kaitens rotation, as it did. You stated that Neji's rotation can't be countered because it protects his body, which was just proven false. Kaitens rotation was halted, without Neji being physically harmed. If it can't rotate, it isn't going to properly defend against attacks. Without it, the best Neji can do is alter the momentum/trajectory of small objects. That isn't helping him here against Kiba. If Kaitens rotation is stopped or slowed down, it'll easily being busted through with Garoga.

I just adressed this w/ the panel you posted. nothing touched neji until he decided to stop alltogether

Absolutely fallacious, and not something I will entertain.

thats fine

Irrelevant. For the last time here. Both rotations will be counteractive towards the other. The purpose of showcasing Kidomaru's feat was to simply display the cannonical fact that Kaitens rotation can indeed be halted without having to directly disrupt Neji.

I never contended that

.nejis rotatial force can't be ''countered'' unless his shield is overwhelmed by mass/energy or his body is hit.

I said that kiba cant affect nejis kaiten.

kibas rotation cannot counteract nejis, thats a fallacy on your part as kiba can only produce a single attack

kido countered the spinning by circling w/ a mass of webs & creating a perpetual drag on nejis spin.

 

[Curse Mark]

I think what FT is pointing out that no one noticed is that the rotation didn't blow the webs away. It doesn't matter that they didn't touch Neji until he stopped, they didn't get thrown off like people said Kiba would.

 

[Zexion~]

I think what FT is pointing out that no one noticed is that the rotation didn't blow the webs away. It doesn't matter that they didn't touch Neji until he stopped, they didn't get thrown off like people said Kiba would.

Because they're connected in place?