Hyuga/Byakugan Logic

[KidGamer65]

Sir, ma'am, or kid, what you're talking about is irrelevant because you don't have scans or facts to back it up. You say that Naruto was stronger in VoTE than the Chunin Exams. But you can't even say that is a fact because it isn't stated in the manga. KN0 Naruto is still KN0 Naruto. The only difference in the two is that the Chunin Exams Naruto didn't have the Rasengan nor did he have an open arena. They both still threw punches, ninja tools and clones. The difference in the opponents was that Sasuke was getting his ass kicked before he awakened the 3T, unlike Neji.

And you can't say what the author meant when saying "insight" because it wasn't stated. If you want to be literal, insight doesn't mean being able to see through things. But, when used in the series, the author clearly meant it in general since he didn't give specifics.

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That is Naruto's databook score chart. Strength and most importantly SPEED are higher in DB 2 than they are in DB 1. DB 1 covers the beginning to Chapter 108. DB 2 covers 109 to the end of Part 1. Naruto and Neji's fight took place during Ch 100-104. Thus the scores in the first row reflect Naruto during that fight. The scores in the second column reflect him vs. Sasuke at the end of Part 1.

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What? Words have set meanings. Insight has it's own definition. If Kishimoto uses the word insight then it obviously takes on the meaning the word has been given.

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Insight is an understanding of something or seeing into the inner workings and details of something. Byakugan can see the chakra coil system, Tenketsu, chakra build up and flow and can see through objects. That's why it's insight was stated to be better. Not to mention this was all in the wake of Byakugan being revealed to be capable of seeing Tenketsu and the chakra coil system while Sharingan cannot. Context is obviously very important to pay attention to.

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Then we have the portion of my post you ignored. Even if I agreed that VoTE KN0=CE KN0, which has been proven false, Sasuke dominated Naruto harder than Neji dominated him, and I shouldn't have even said "dominated" for Neji because Neji didn't dominate Naruto in speed in any way, shape or form. Sasuke was reacting to Naruto's speed better and with far less effort than Neji was during that fight. What happened before 3-Tomoe is irrelevant because we aren't discussing 2-Tomoe. So again I ask, how are these feats equal? How does anything you said put the Byakugan on par w/ the Sharingan in this field? Or are you just arguing to argue?

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Byakugan being able to predict attacks doesn't put it on par w/ the Sharingan's capability of doing so. Not now and not until the authors decide that it is. Sasuke's EMS is blatantly stated to allow him to read moves better than his previous Sharingan or any other person who's Sharingan doesn't have the straight comma Madara mentioned. These abilities are not all created equal. This isn't Uchiha fans not wanting to admit that they are equal, this is people who argue on the other side pushing something that isn't even remotely true with limited to no evidence for that being the case.

1. Straight Comma Mangekyo
2. Matured Sharingan
3. Byakugan

That's how it goes when it comes to the capability of predicting movements. Neji being fast isn't evidence that Byakugan=Sharingan in this regard, it's evidence that Neji is fast. :lol Then we have the simple fact that the Byakugan has been in the series for around 650-680 chapters and not once was it's ability to anticipate attacks ever highlighted or held to the same level as the Sharingan's. So we can all stop arguing this now.

The hyuga are winning

 

[jamarcusp17]

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That is Naruto's databook score chart. Strength and most importantly SPEED are higher in DB 2 than they are in DB 1. DB 1 covers the beginning to Chapter 108. DB 2 covers 109 to the end of Part 1. Naruto and Neji's fight took place during Ch 100-104. Thus the scores in the first row reflect Naruto during that fight. The scores in the second column reflect him vs. Sasuke at the end of Part 1.

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What? Words have set meanings. Insight has it's own definition. If Kishimoto uses the word insight then it obviously takes on the meaning the word has been given.

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Insight is an understanding of something or seeing into the inner workings and details of something. Byakugan can see the chakra coil system, Tenketsu, chakra build up and flow and can see through objects. That's why it's insight was stated to be better. Not to mention this was all in the wake of Byakugan being revealed to be capable of seeing Tenketsu and the chakra coil system while Sharingan cannot. Context is obviously very important to pay attention to.

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Then we have the portion of my post you ignored. Even if I agreed that VoTE KN0=CE KN0, which has been proven false, Sasuke dominated Naruto harder than Neji dominated him, and I shouldn't have even said "dominated" for Neji because Neji didn't dominate Naruto in speed in any way, shape or form. Sasuke was reacting to Naruto's speed better and with far less effort than Neji was during that fight. What happened before 3-Tomoe is irrelevant because we aren't discussing 2-Tomoe. So again I ask, how are these feats equal? How does anything you said put the Byakugan on par w/ the Sharingan in this field? Or are you just arguing to argue?

Your points are just proving mine now. In every column, Neji surpasses Naruto in speed and in total. But Naruto's base stats are irrelevant to this argument. We're talking about KN0 Naruto, whose speed is much faster than base Naruto.

And if you want to talk about insight, you can literally make it mean anything you want. You can make it mean being able to see the past, so that's now irrelevant. Or maybe not since now the Byakugan can possibly predict the future, but that's a completely different topic.

 

[KidGamer65]

The hyuga are winning

The Hyuga are winning yet every Hyuga fan/supporter and their mothers are crawling out of the woodwork just to make ridiculous excuses as for why the Byakugan has this ability or why it can do X as good as the Sharingan can instead of argue with logic and reason? Yeah, ok bud. :lol

Your points are just proving mine now. In every column, Neji surpasses Naruto in speed and in total. But Naruto's base stats are irrelevant to this argument. We're talking about KN0 Naruto, whose speed is much faster than base Naruto.

And if you want to talk about insight, you can literally make it mean anything you want. You can make it mean being able to see the past, so that's now irrelevant. Or maybe not since now the Byakugan can possibly predict the future, but that's a completely different topic.

Yeah.....um no. Your argument is that Byakugan and Sharingan are on par in precognitive ability because Sasuke and Neji both were capable of reacting to KN0. Base Naruto being slower than Neji is irrelevant as we are not talking about Base Naruto vs. Neji. It's also irrelevant because it doesn't prove anything about Sharingan and Byakugan, it proves that Neji>Base Naruto in speed, which is not what we are discussing. Base Naruto's stats are also very relevant if you simply use common sense. If Base Naruto is stronger than his KN0 will be stronger.

Sasuke overwhelmed a stronger and faster Naruto in speed while Neji simply kept up with a slower and weaker Naruto. I'm still waiting for you to stop dancing around the point and the question and answer it. How does anything you are saying in light of actual fact point to Byakugan equaling Sharingan in precognitive ability? Again, I'll wait.

And no, No one can make it mean anything they want because insight has a fixed definition and the Byakugan has fixed abilities. I told you what insight means. I told you the context the word was used in. No you cannot make it mean "being able to see into the past" because that is not one of the Byakugan's abilities, obviously. There is nothing more for you to argue when it comes to this point. Byakugan was blatantly stated to be superior to Sharingan in insight due to it being able to see the coil system while the Sharingan cannot. It's not hard to use context clues pal.

It's painfully clear that you've realized the error in your premise but like most people on this forum you don't want to admit that you are mistaken. Just stop man. The world won't end if you simply admit that you were wrong nor is there any reason for you to keep quoting me if you don't want to address the argument.

 

[jamarcusp17]

The Hyuga are winning yet every Hyuga fan/supporter and their mothers are crawling out of the woodwork just to make ridiculous excuses as for why the Byakugan has this ability or why it can do X as good as the Sharingan can instead of argue with logic and reason? Yeah, ok bud. :lol



Yeah.....um no. Your argument is that Byakugan and Sharingan are on par in precognitive ability because Sasuke and Neji both were capable of reacting to KN0. Base Naruto being slower than Neji is irrelevant as we are not talking about Base Naruto vs. Neji. It's also irrelevant because it doesn't prove anything about Sharingan and Byakugan, it proves that Neji>Base Naruto in speed, which is not what we are discussing. Base Naruto's stats are also very relevant if you simply use common sense. If Base Naruto is stronger than his KN0 will be stronger.

Sasuke overwhelmed a stronger and faster Naruto in speed while Neji simply kept up with a slower and weaker Naruto. I'm still waiting for you to stop dancing around the point and the question and answer it. How does anything you are saying in light of actual fact point to Byakugan equaling Sharingan in precognitive ability? Again, I'll wait.

And no, No one can make it mean anything they want because insight has a fixed definition and the Byakugan has fixed abilities. I told you what insight means. I told you the context the word was used in. No you cannot make it mean "being able to see into the past" because that is not one of the Byakugan's abilities, obviously. There is nothing more for you to argue when it comes to this point. Byakugan was blatantly stated to be superior to Sharingan in insight due to it being able to see the coil system while the Sharingan cannot. It's not hard to use context clues pal.

It's painfully clear that you've realized the error in your premise but like most people on this forum you don't want to admit that you are mistaken. Just stop man. The world won't end if you simply admit that you were wrong nor is there any reason for you to keep quoting me if you don't want to address the argument.

Okay, now you're just repeating what I said about base Naruto. But you somehow seem to be missing the point still. CE KN0 Naruto =VOTE KN0 Naruto. Both Neji and Sasuke kept up with KN0 Naruto due to their Dojutsus. Is that not true? That's the point that keeps going over your head, so you bring up completely different topics that are irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Now answer this: did Neji and Sasuke keep up with KN0 Naruto?

 

[Made in Heaven]

I stopped at the beginning. At the chunnin fight neji could track kn0 and react which is a feat in itself but sasukes 3t literally let him see what kn0 was going to do before he did it.... it's even shown differently, I don't think it's really comparable

Just because Byakugan Precog wasn't shown there doens't mean it doesn't exist, just as Neji's blind spot was always a thing even if it wasn't shown in his fight with Naruto. And ur comparing SRA Sasuke with CE Neji, which makes no sense when we even SEE Neji attempting to improve his eye sight later.

Not to mention Neji never, I repeat he NEVER lost track of naruto's movements or anything like that. he was never overwhelmed by his speed. the only reason neji used kaiten was because naruto let out a massive burst of bijuu chakra so neji had to defend himself.

fact is byakugan does have precognition, and if u want to say its below 3T based off of comparing CE Neji to SRA Sasuke, the fine i guess

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Just because Byakugan Precog wasn't shown there doens't mean it doesn't exist, just as Neji's blind spot was always a thing even if it wasn't shown in his fight with Naruto. And ur comparing SRA Sasuke with CE Neji, which makes no sense when we even SEE Neji attempting to improve his eye sight later.

Not to mention Neji never, I repeat he NEVER lost track of naruto's movements or anything like that. he was never overwhelmed by his speed. the only reason neji used kaiten was because naruto let out a massive burst of bijuu chakra so neji had to defend himself.

fact is byakugan does have precognition, and if u want to say its below 3T based off of comparing CE Neji to SRA Sasuke, the fine i guess

I'm pretty sure neji loses track of him at least once, but even if he doesn't it that's fine cause that's not really important. actual precog is what was shown at vote when sasuke gets his 3rd tomoe. I get that in the new episode the dude says predicting actions can be done with the Byakugan but we've never seen it done on a level of precog, precog isn't predicting, it's seeing whats coming. The byakugan has never been shown to be able to do that to that extent. Will it? Maybe, and while it works to experienced and skilled hyuga like hiashi, neji, and I'd assume Hanabi like a sort of faux precog, it's not actual full on precog

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay, now you're just repeating what I said about base Naruto. But you somehow seem to be missing the point still. CE KN0 Naruto =VOTE KN0 Naruto. Both Neji and Sasuke kept up with KN0 Naruto due to their Dojutsus. Is that not true? That's the point that keeps going over your head, so you bring up completely different topics that are irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Now answer this: did Neji and Sasuke keep up with KN0 Naruto?

Imagine being this incapable of comprehending the English language.

1. The bold is based on nothing. The bold has been proven wrong. Kurama's chakra is an enhancement. An enhancement on a stronger Base Naruto results in a stronger KN0. I'm waiting for you to address this. Note I said "address" not "blatantly ignore while carrying on with my own nonsense beliefs".

2. The underlined is irrelevant. Sasuke overwhelmed Naruto. Neji did not. Thus Sasuke's feat is superior thus you cannot put Byakugan equal to Sharingan. Instead of asking dumb questions you should probably answer the ones that matter. What's also funny is that I answered your question, you just don't want to acknowledge it because you know you don't make any sense.

3. Sasuke and Neji both being able to keep up with Naruto doesn't make Sharingan equal to Byakugan. That's more of your garbage logic. EMS Madara would easily "keep up" with Naruto as well. Does that mean Sharingan=Byakugan=EMS? :lol No.

I'm waiting for you to show how this feat puts their Dojutsu equal to each other. I'm waiting for you to address how KN0 at CE and VoTE are equal despite their Base forms not being equal. I'm waiting for you to address the arguments presented to you because as of now you are just giving me your opinion and you can best believe that I do not care for your opinion unless it is backed by something factual.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I'm pretty sure neji loses track of him at least once, but even if he doesn't it that's fine cause that's not really important. actual precog is what was shown at vote when sasuke gets his 3rd tomoe. I get that in the new episode the dude says predicting actions can be done with the Byakugan but we've never seen it done on a level of precog, precog isn't predicting, it's seeing whats coming. The byakugan has never been shown to be able to do that to that extent. Will it? Maybe, and while it works to experienced and skilled hyuga like hiashi, neji, and I'd assume Hanabi like a sort of faux precog, it's not actual full on precog

well, w/e the case, and whether its above 3T or not i dont really care. in the end, i am just saying Shikdai sad byakugan can see attacks happen BEFORE they happen. That is precognition by definiton. whether it is above 3t will be determined by feats maybe in later episode by hiashi/hanabi/hinata.

 

[jamarcusp17]

Imagine being this incapable of comprehending the English language.

1. The bold is based on nothing. The bold has been proven wrong. Kurama's chakra is an enhancement. An enhancement on a stronger Base Naruto results in a stronger KN0. I'm waiting for you to address this. Note I said "address" not "blatantly ignore while carrying on with my own nonsense beliefs".

2. The underlined is irrelevant. Sasuke overwhelmed Naruto. Neji did not. Thus Sasuke's feat is superior thus you cannot put Byakugan equal to Sharingan. Instead of asking dumb questions you should probably answer the ones that matter. What's also funny is that I answered your question, you just don't want to acknowledge it because you know you don't make any sense.

3. Sasuke and Neji both being able to keep up with Naruto doesn't make Sharingan equal to Byakugan. That's more of your garbage logic. EMS Madara would easily "keep up" with Naruto as well. Does that mean Sharingan=Byakugan=EMS? :lol No.

I'm waiting for you to show how this feat puts their Dojutsu equal to each other. I'm waiting for you to address how KN0 at CE and VoTE are equal despite their Base forms not being equal. I'm waiting for you to address the arguments presented to you because as of now you are just giving me your opinion and you can best believe that I do not care for your opinion unless it is backed by something factual.

Okay. I'll address your questions. Read my previous posts.

Consider your questions addressed because I'm not going to continue repeating myself for you to ignore everything.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay. I'll address your questions. Read my previous posts.

Consider your questions addressed because I'm not going to continue repeating myself for you to ignore everything.

The irony is strong with this one. You Hyuga fanboys really are something else.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

well, w/e the case, and whether its above 3T or not i dont really care. in the end, i am just saying Shikdai sad byakugan can see attacks happen BEFORE they happen. That is precognition by definiton. whether it is above 3t will be determined by feats maybe in later episode by hiashi/hanabi/hinata.

We'll see, I'm not against the byakugan or anything it's just never been shown. It feels added. Which is fine, I just wanna see it

 

[Made in Heaven]

We'll see, I'm not against the byakugan or anything it's just never been shown. It feels added. Which is fine, I just wanna see it

lol yeah it is kinda added i will admit but idc i am just happy byakugan has a new ability

 

[jamarcusp17]

The irony is strong with this one. You Hyuga fanboys really are something else.

And all Uchiha faps are the same. You all are realizing that your favorite dojutsu is now irrelevant, so you cling to your number 1 spot as hard as you can, spouting fallacies, trying to remain on top when the reality is the Sharingan is played, old, and so worn-out that the author has tossed it aside for something new. I won't blame you if you choose the Byakugan as a favorite in the future. It's inevitable.

 

[KidGamer65]

And all Uchiha faps are the same. You all are realizing that your favorite dojutsu is now irrelevant, so you cling to your number 1 spot as hard as you can, spouting fallacies, trying to remain on top when the reality is the Sharingan is played, old, and so worn-out that the author has tossed it aside for something new. I won't blame you if you choose the Byakugan as a favorite in the future. It's inevitable.

Look little guy. I don't care about the moronic fanwars you people love to have in this section so go tell all this to someone else. Someone who actually does care. K?

 

[jamarcusp17]

Look little guy. I don't care about the moronic fanwars you people love to have in this section so go tell all this to someone else. Someone who actually does care. K?

Says the guy who spent hours arguing why the Byakugan isn't as good as the Sharingan. But okay.

 

[KidGamer65]

Says the guy who spent hours arguing why the Byakugan isn't as good as the Sharingan. But okay.

Me arguing the Manga has nothing to do with any idiotic fan war. :lol You don't need to be a fan of someone or something to argue for said person or thing. Shocker right? :lol

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

And all Uchiha faps are the same. You all are realizing that your favorite dojutsu is now irrelevant, so you cling to your number 1 spot as hard as you can, spouting fallacies, trying to remain on top when the reality is the Sharingan is played, old, and so worn-out that the author has tossed it aside for something new. I won't blame you if you choose the Byakugan as a favorite in the future. It's inevitable.

It isn't really a new dojutsu if they're just giving the Byakugan everything they gave to the Sharingan. Face the fact's, the Sharingan is superior. The Sharingan literally intertwine reality and fantasy to rewrite unfortunate events.

The Uchiha's were always stronger, if they just throw new abilities to the Byakugan now it'll just look petty, lacking in creativity, and pathetic.

This whole "Byakugan can read attacks before they happen" is clear evidence that the Sharingan's unique abilities are now going to be given to the Byakugan. Which doesn't make the Byakugan special, just a new beer that tastes the same as the last piss water they serve at the bar.

 

[Styles]

Oh, that's new to me. So tell me, how does it predict movements? Of course, you must know because I don't think it was stated in the series how the Byakugan predicts movement, let alone how it doesn't.

So how?

Didn't get a notification of your quote my bad. It seems someone already showed a scan though.

No, Neji never lost track of Naruto. Like Sasuke with Lee, it was only a matter of his body being to slow to react.



1. Shikadai already said it can see attack before they happen. 2. I don't recall it ever being said Sharingan reads muscle movements for precognition, it was only said to be Chakra sight, which Byakugan is superior in.




Again, no evidence for this. Tenten says Byakugan can anticipate attacks, and Shikadai says Byakugan can tell movements before they happen.

What 1010 said is more in line w/ 2T

What shikdai said is more in line w/ 3T

Neji due to his near 360 vision saw Naruto but he couldn't react like a Sharingan user with their precog because he can't see a move before it happens like they can. Sasuke with 2t kept track of Lee. Sasuke's body just couldn't follow.

Yet no proof of it doing so.

360 vision isn't precog that's more along of sensing ie Karin can always sense where someone is do that mean she have precog? A Byakugan user never seen a move before it happened at all.

Okay, so it is clear that when you read, you infer a lot of things, including the manga. But let's say that you are correct that the EMS is better at predicting than 3T--I'll take your word for it because I never saw that. Unless you can provide evidence that the 3T is better at predicting than the Byakugan is, what you say is just a fallacy. So, in your list, it should be:

1. Straight Comma Mangekyo
2. Matured Sharingan/Byakugan

And you clearly misread what I said, because I didn't say that Neji's speed equals the Sharingan, nor did I imply that it was. It seems that you are one of the people who don't want to admit it, because it was blatantly stated IN THE MANGA that the Byakugan surpasses the Sharingan in terms of insight. This was said by someone who mastered the 3T Sharingan.

And out of all 700 chapters of Naruto, it was never mentioned how Hashirama died. But it was clear that he did die since he was brought back twice. It may not have been mentioned that the Byakugan is on the same level of predicting movements as the Sharingan, but it is clear that it is since the 3T made it capable of doing what the 13-year-old Hyuga was capable of doing.

So that's that.

Brate you do know MS Sasuke could only track V1 Ay right? V2 was too fast. Then EMS Sasuke could track a Juubi jin. Sharingan precog gets better as a Sharingan evolves. 3 tomoe could track (6)? tails Bee. I doubt a Byakugan user could do that.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

I don't know how you guys find the time to argue against some of these people.. not even worth imo