[VS] Hypothetical EMS Sasuke vs Hashirama

[Byakusharinnegan]

We forgot something REALLY important , the shield of Amaterasu.
But still after our debate i believe that Sasuke's chance to win is the long range fight.
Because like i said Shinsenjuu isn't agile ( by the look of it ) and Hashirama's SM isn't limitless.

Honestly, Hashirama can simply shield himself in Modified Houbi, maybe read a newspaper, and come out fifteen minutes later.

But seriously, Sasuke maybe has a chance to win on the ranged game. If Hashirama times his Houbi and Sage Mode at the right time, and uses limited ranged arsenal of Hotei spam and sprouting trees underneath Sasuke, as well as, of course, Rashomon shields, I still believe Hashirama takes this high diff as well.

Excuse my ABC logic, but Naruto's battle with Pain lasted well over fifteen minutes in manga time, and Naruto kept his Sage mode for pretty much the duration of the battle. Hashirama's sage mode is better than Naruto's, in fact it was reputed to be the best of all time, so it's probably substantially longer than Naruto's.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Honestly, Hashirama can simply shield himself in Modified Houbi, maybe read a newspaper, and come out fifteen minutes later.

But seriously, Sasuke maybe has a chance to win on the ranged game. If Hashirama times his Houbi and Sage Mode at the right time, and uses limited ranged arsenal of Hotei spam and sprouting trees underneath Sasuke, as well as, of course, Rashomon shields, I still believe Hashirama takes this high diff as well.

Excuse my ABC logic, but Naruto's battle with Pain lasted well over fifteen minutes in manga time, and Naruto kept his Sage mode for pretty much the duration of the battle. Hashirama's sage mode is better than Naruto's, in fact it was reputed to be the best of all time, so it's probably substantially longer than Naruto's.

Sasuke can also summon his hawk and take a nap on it Lol.

But seriously i know that Hashirama has a chance , but i want to prove that this version of Sasuke has a chance too.
Because as i said he has defensive techniques like the shield of Amaterasu and Chidori Nagashi.
And also he can summon Aoda and the latter can dig under earth and attack Hashirama at an unknown moment.

As for Naruto , sorry but you're wrong , Naruto used SM 3 times in that fight.
First he got there , fought then ended up losing SM , then he summoned his clone back and entered SM again then he ran out of it and Pain pinned him down then he goes Kyuubi mode , then SM after the CT.

His SM duration is 5 minutes , and power =/= duration.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Sasuke can also summon his hawk and take a nap on it Lol.

But seriously i know that Hashirama has a chance , but i want to prove that this version of Sasuke has a chance too.
Because as i said he has defensive techniques like the shield of Amaterasu and Chidori Nagashi.
And also he can summon Aoda and the latter can dig under earth and attack Hashirama at an unknown moment.

As for Naruto , sorry but you're wrong , Naruto used SM 3 times in that fight.
First he got there , fought then ended up losing SM , then he summoned his clone back and entered SM again then he ran out of it and Pain pinned him down then he goes Kyuubi mode , then SM after the CT.

His SM duration is 5 minutes , and power =/= duration.

Ah, my bad about the SM.

If Aoda is caught by one of the wooden creatures...It's gone. Without a doubt. Also.

"While most summoners have only been shown capable of summoning one type of creature, Pain (through the Animal Path) has been seen summoning several different animals and even people. Pain does not provide a blood offering when performing a summon. Sasuke Uchiha has summoned snakes and hawks at different points, but unlike Pain he can apparently only summon one species at a time."

It's either Aoda or Hawk. If Aoda is chosen, Sasuke gains more firepower, but his death is certain after his PS runs out. If Hawk is chosen, he can flee when PS runs out.

Also, remember the field of Flower World. Aoda has no choice but to stay under the ground. This is the awesome thing; Aoda can't do anything but headbutt Hashirama. Snakes smell through their mouths from their tongues, so if Aoda opens his mouth once to try and attack Hashirama, he'll be knocked out from the pollen in the air. Snakes, among with mamals, are affected by genjutsu due to the structure of their brain.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Ah, my bad about the SM.

If Aoda is caught by one of the wooden creatures...It's gone. Without a doubt. Also.

"While most summoners have only been shown capable of summoning one type of creature, Pain (through the Animal Path) has been seen summoning several different animals and even people. Pain does not provide a blood offering when performing a summon. Sasuke Uchiha has summoned snakes and hawks at different points, but unlike Pain he can apparently only summon one species at a time."

It's either Aoda or Hawk. If Aoda is chosen, Sasuke gains more firepower, but his death is certain after his PS runs out. If Hawk is chosen, he can flee when PS runs out.

I know that Aoda won't stand for long time , but he can make an element of surprise for Sasuke , and if he is caught , he reverse summon himself.


Jiraiya stated ( when he taught Naruto the summoning jutsu ) that in order to summon , you must use the hand you signed the contract with , and people have two hands , you get my point ?

Also when Sasuke summoned his hawk , he used his left hand and when he summoned Aoda he used his right hand.

And he can use Hawk instead of wasting his chakra on PS.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

I know that Aoda won't stand for long time , but he can make an element of surprise for Sasuke , and if he is caught , he reverse summon himself.


Jiraiya stated ( when he taught Naruto the summoning jutsu ) that in order to summon , you must use the hand you signed the contract with , and people have two hands , you get my point ?

Also when Sasuke summoned his hawk , he used his left hand and when he summoned Aoda he used his right hand.

And he can use Hawk instead of wasting his chakra on PS.

So basically, you're suggesting that Sasuke forgo PS, which is quite possibly his only chance of winning, altogether and just go with the EMS? I don't know if he can go into PS again, but I assume not.

Even if Sasuke uses Hawk, Hashirama can sprout a forest and leap around on the trees, dodging everything with Sage Mode reflexes. It's not a matter of when, because there's no doubt that Hashirama will be able to go into SM if he uses modified Houbi.

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Shinsenjuu is huge as well, and should be able to swat Sasuke out of the sky. If Sasuke tries to go too high, the air becomes thin and he won't be able to breathe. As you can see in the image, Shinsenjuu easily dwarfed large mountains and trees. It may not be incredibly fast, but it still can move at good speeds.

 

[Ahmed1993]

So basically, you're suggesting that Sasuke forgo PS, which is quite possibly his only chance of winning, altogether and just go with the EMS? I don't know if he can go into PS again, but I assume not.

Even if Sasuke uses Hawk, Hashirama can sprout a forest and leap around on the trees, dodging everything with Sage Mode reflexes. It's not a matter of when, because there's no doubt that Hashirama will be able to go into SM if he uses modified Houbi.

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Shinsenjuu is huge as well, and should be able to swat Sasuke out of the sky. If Sasuke tries to go too high, the air becomes thin and he won't be able to breathe. As you can see in the image, Shinsenjuu easily dwarfed large mountains and trees. It may not be incredibly fast, but it still can move at good speeds.

I never said he forgot his PS , i said he can save chakra by staying on his Hawk and snipe Hashirama with Amaterasu , Enton and Kirin

We don't know if Hashirama can sense danger with SM but even if he does , he doesn't have the necessary speed to dodge Amaterasu but he compensate with his wood barriers etc...
But As the fight progress , the whole field will be engulfed with Black flames.

You are speculating here , but imo Shinsenju's height might be something arround 300-350 meters ( and when it was summoned , there wasn't huge mountains in the background ).

And the air don't become thin ( to the point that a normal person can't breath ) at 350 meters + altitude , it become thin at much more higher altitude , so your Shinsenjuu catching Sasuke in the sky isn't gonna happen.

 

[Draegod]

You basically fused the 3 best uchihas just to stand a chance vs the king!!!! lmao

 

[Ahmed1993]

You basically fused the 3 best uchihas just to stand a chance vs the king!!!! lmao

No , Sasuke is bound to get PS ( because its the normal power up of the EMS ) and the sacred weapons ( Itachi's eyes ) but he don't have Itachi's calmness or the Kyuubi , so there is no fusing here.
And lastly Hashirama isn't a King anymore , there is a lot of characters that are stronger than him.

 

[Gakido]

No , Sasuke is bound to get PS ( because its the normal power up of the EMS ) and the sacred weapons ( Itachi's eyes ) but he don't have Itachi's calmness or the Kyuubi , so there is no fusing here.
And lastly Hashirama isn't a King anymore , there is a lot of characters that are stronger than him.

Not really :|

Rikudo and Juubito are really the only ones that are a lot stronger

Naruto and Madara are the only others on his level.

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Sasuke with PS, The Sacred weapons, and the KM Cloak can win

 

[Ahmed1993]

Not really :|

Rikudo and Juubito are really the only ones that are a lot stronger

Naruto and Madara are the only others on his level.

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Sasuke with PS, The Sacred weapons, and the KM Cloak can win

Rikudo , Juubi , his sons , BSM Naruto , Obito , Edo Madara , PS Sasuke ( with no Kyuubi cloak ) , Nagato FP and Kabuto ( with ET ).

 

[Gakido]

Rikudo , Juubi , his sons , BSM Naruto , Obito , Edo Madara , PS Sasuke ( with no Kyuubi cloak ) , Nagato FP and Kabuto ( with ET ).

Rikudo's Sons have zero hype or feats. They can't be gauged and thus can't be counted.

PS Sasuke gets stomped

(I don't count Juubi since Biju's usually don't count they. They're ususally just counted as part of Shinobi's)

Nagato loses too

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama still spanks this kid.

-PS on par with Madara's doesn't really matter since not even Madara's PS is on par with Shinsuusenju.

-I'm going to need something besides obvious Databook hype to say that Yata tanks Shinsuusenju's hits.

-Totsuka equals pointless here.

Chojo Kebutsu breaks open PS and Sasuke and crushed like a bug between the Buddha's fingers. Lets say Yata's hype is true, then Hashirama simply drops Myojinmon right on top of Perfect Susanoo and kills Sasuke once his chakra goes down and PS vanishes.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

I never said he forgot his PS , i said he can save chakra by staying on his Hawk and snipe Hashirama with Amaterasu , Enton and Kirin

We don't know if Hashirama can sense danger with SM but even if he does , he doesn't have the necessary speed to dodge Amaterasu but he compensate with his wood barriers etc...
But As the fight progress , the whole field will be engulfed with Black flames.

You are speculating here , but imo Shinsenju's height might be something arround 300-350 meters ( and when it was summoned , there wasn't huge mountains in the background ).

And the air don't become thin ( to the point that a normal person can't breath ) at 350 meters + altitude , it become thin at much more higher altitude , so your Shinsenjuu catching Sasuke in the sky isn't gonna happen.

Even so, Hashirama can sprout a tree on Shinsenjuu to make as his primary vantage point, and fire Mokuton projectile barrage via Daijurin no Jutsu at fast speeds. Hashirama does have viable long range techniques he can use.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Rikudo's Sons have zero hype or feats. They can't be gauged and thus can't be counted.

PS Sasuke gets stomped

(I don't count Juubi since Biju's usually don't count they. They're ususally just counted as part of Shinobi's)

Nagato loses too

Read the debate between me and byakusharingan.
PS Sasuke ain't gonna lose to Hashirama.

And Nagato won't lose.

Hashirama still spanks this kid.

-PS on par with Madara's doesn't really matter since not even Madara's PS is on par with Shinsuusenju.

-I'm going to need something besides obvious Databook hype to say that Yata tanks Shinsuusenju's hits.

-Totsuka equals pointless here.

Chojo Kebutsu breaks open PS and Sasuke and crushed like a bug between the Buddha's fingers. Lets say Yata's hype is true, then Hashirama simply drops Myojinmon right on top of Perfect Susanoo and kills Sasuke once his chakra goes down and PS vanishes.

You're forgetting that this version of Sasuke has PS+ Enton ( which will be a lot more powerful with PS : arrows , sword , Shuriken ) + 2 Summoning + Good defensive techniques ( Shield of Amaterasu and Chidori Nagashi ) and the sacred weapons.

And read my debate with Byakusharingan to understand but obviously this is too much for you , so continue leaving in your world where Hashirama stomps, lool.
And btw write what you want , i ain't answering a hater.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Hashirama still spanks this kid.

-PS on par with Madara's doesn't really matter since not even Madara's PS is on par with Shinsuusenju.

-I'm going to need something besides obvious Databook hype to say that Yata tanks Shinsuusenju's hits.

-Totsuka equals pointless here.

Chojo Kebutsu breaks open PS and Sasuke and crushed like a bug between the Buddha's fingers. Lets say Yata's hype is true, then Hashirama simply drops Myojinmon right on top of Perfect Susanoo and kills Sasuke once his chakra goes down and PS vanishes.

Although it seems unlikely, apparently Yata can block all jutsu, even Bijuudamas.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Even so, Hashirama can sprout a tree on Shinsenjuu to make as his primary vantage point, and fire Mokuton projectile barrage via Daijurin no Jutsu at fast speeds. Hashirama does have viable long range techniques he can use.

Yea you maybe right but Sasuke can evade them with the Sharingan.

I have to go now , good night.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're forgetting that this version of Sasuke has PS+ Enton ( which will be a lot powerful with PS : arrows , sword , Shuriken ) + 2 Summoning + Good defensive techniques ( Shield of Amaterasu and Chidori Nagashi ) and the sacred weapons.

-Yata is all hype no feats.

-Chidori and Shield of Amaterasu is pointless here, why are you even mentioning it?

-Arrows and swords aren't getting past Perfect Susanoo considering it tanked Kurama's Bijuu Dama w/ no damage at all. Same goes for Totsuka.

And read my debate with Byakusharingan to understand but obviously you're a hater for that , so continue leaving in your world were Hashirama stomps lool.
And btw write what you want , i ain't answering a hater.

So you reply to me, then say I'm a hater so you won't reply back? Yeah, go whine about me being a hater somewhere else pal. Sasuke gets shitted on, case and point. I saw part of your debate with him and your posts are absolute garbage. They'd pass as fanboy material at best. "Sasuke takes off on his hawk and snipes with Amaterasu and Kirin" lmao, slap yourself.

Although it seems unlikely, apparently Yata can block all jutsu, even Bijuudamas.

Yeah, its nothing but hyperbole.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Read the debate between me and byakusharingan.
PS Sasuke ain't gonna lose to Hashirama.

And Nagato won't lose.





You're forgetting that this version of Sasuke has PS+ Enton ( which will be a lot more powerful with PS : arrows , sword , Shuriken ) + 2 Summoning + Good defensive techniques ( Shield of Amaterasu and Chidori Nagashi ) and the sacred weapons.

And read my debate with Byakusharingan to understand but obviously this is too much for you , so continue leaving in your world where Hashirama stomps, lool.
And btw write what you want , i ain't answering a hater.

Chidori Nagashi doesn't work effectively on wooden creatures; it forces the body to misinterpret the lightning as electrical signatures from the nervous systems, making the body stiffen. Wooden creatures would take a minimal amount of damage from this.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

-Yata is all hype no feats.

-Chidori and Shield of Amaterasu is pointless here, why are you even mentioning it?

-Arrows and swords aren't getting past Perfect Susanoo considering it tanked Kurama's Bijuu Dama w/ no damage at all. Same goes for Totsuka.



So you reply to me, then say I'm a hater so you won't reply back? Yeah, go whine about me being a hater somewhere else pal. Sasuke gets shitted on, case and point. I saw part of your debate with him and your posts are absolute garbage. They'd pass as fanboy material at best. "Sasuke takes off on his hawk and snipes with Amaterasu and Kirin" lmao, slap yourself.



Yeah, its nothing but hyperbole.

And it would be nice to have a sort of referee; who do you think won, or was winning, the debate?

 

[KidGamer65]

And it would be nice to have a sort of referee; who do you think won, or was winning, the debate?

Considering most if not all of his points are utter garbage, its clear you win.