You’re using fake anime logic.
In canon Hamura and Hagoromoo never fought or died and both Hagoromoo and Hamura were born with a kekkai mora like their mother. They both were in possession of the six path senjutsu (evident to that his TSB) and they both had the Six path shadow and light seal so he was anything but weak since they both sealed Kaguya (hagarmoo never sealed her himself).
You’re using fake anime logic.
In canon Hamura and Hagoromoo never fought or died and both Hagoromoo and Hamura were born with a kekkai mora like their mother. They both were in possession of the six path senjutsu (evident to that his TSB) and they both had the Six path shadow and light seal so he was anything but weak since they both sealed Kaguya (hagarmoo never sealed her himself).
You’re using fake anime logic.
In canon Hamura and Hagoromoo never fought or died and both Hagoromoo and Hamura were born with a kekkai mora like their mother. They both were in possession of the six path senjutsu (evident to that his TSB) and they both had the Six path shadow and light seal so he was anything but weak since they both sealed Kaguya (hagarmoo never sealed her himself).
Tobi wasn't a host to the full Jyubi both the 8 and 9 tails were missing. He did however acquire the six paths chakra by becoming it's host which he used to extract the 1 tails and 8 tails chakra from Madara.
Hagoromo’s descendants didn’t have senjutsu nor TSB at first either so what’s your point? They were still stronger than Hamura’s kids. And we all know that Hagoromo eventually granted Asura his truth seeking orbs and senjutsu but the orbs weren’t passed down and the last one that received the senjutsu was Hashirama so, again, what’s your point?
How can you claim that all of Hamura's descendants were 'weaker' than Hagoromo's descendants, when we haven't even seen anything the Ootsutsuki's moon clan were capable of?
We have literally seen only one person from that clan in action and he was from a branch clan and not from the main one.
Not to mention that he didn't possess any eyes since he was a little boy, which means he had no training in gentle fist or any eye related power, but still managed to use the Tenseigan to a great extent.
How can you claim that all of Hamura's descendants were 'weaker' than Hagoromo's descendants, when we haven't even seen anything the Ootsutsuki's moon clan were capable of?
We have literally seen only one person from that clan in action and he was from a branch clan and not from the main one.
Not to mention that he didn't possess any eyes since he was a little boy, which means he had no training in gentle fist or any eye related power, but still managed to use the Tenseigan to a great extent.
The fact that they weren’t cared for enough to elaborate on is proof enough of their inferiority. We know for a fact the feats of the Hyuga and they aren’t impressive. They aren’t reputed like Prime Sarutobi.
I don't think he was weak, he just seemed more chill then his brother.. If Hago could beat his mom alone then i would understand the statement but needed Hamura so that doest make him weak or weaker..
look what happens when Hamura's eye is allowed to advance.. He's not weak..
The other issue is Hago's blood has been spread around the shinobi world while Hamura's blood has not.. Hago's blood created Senju Uzumaki & Uchiha who are all power houses in their own way while Hamura just has his Hyuuga..
It's easy to come to the conclusion of Hago being stronger when the series was based off his descendants..
By the way, you'll get confused if you put Hago & Sasuke on the same lvl as far as bloodlimit/chakra.. Hago is the son of chakra & Sasuke is a descendant from 1000's of years down.. Senju/Uzumaki/Uchiha's blood is like water compared to his..
There's a slight issue with that, granted both were hosts to the Jyubi however they were hosts to an incomplete Jyubi. Had the Jyubi been in its complete state as it was when Hogaromo housed it then there wouldn't be room for dispute. That is further evidenced by the fact that Hogaromo made the statement that he's trying to reach my power and my mother's or something along those lines. Emphasis on the word trying as an incomplete object isn't of the same calibre as the complete object.
Even though Madara's Jyubi was incomplete there's still room for an error in his databook entry. Madara used two KKM jutsu a person can't use a greater power of they don't possess it. In other words it's up in the air in Madara's case and it's likely a databook error.
There's a slight issue with that, granted both were hosts to the Jyubi however they were hosts to an incomplete Jyubi. Had the Jyubi been in its complete state as it was when Hogaromo housed it then there wouldn't be room for dispute. That is further evidenced by the fact that Hogaromo made the statement that he's trying to reach my power and my mother's or something along those lines. Emphasis on the word trying as an incomplete object isn't of the same calibre as the complete object.
Even though Madara's Jyubi was incomplete there's still room for an error in his databook entry. Madara used two KKM jutsu a person can't use a greater power of they don't possess it. In other words it's up in the air in Madara's case and it's likely a databook error.
There's a slight issue with that, granted both were hosts to the Jyubi however they were hosts to an incomplete Jyubi. Had the Jyubi been in its complete state as it was when Hogaromo housed it then there wouldn't be room for dispute. That is further evidenced by the fact that Hogaromo made the statement that he's trying to reach my power and my mother's or something along those lines. Emphasis on the word trying as an incomplete object isn't of the same calibre as the complete object.
Even though Madara's Jyubi was incomplete there's still room for an error in his databook entry. Madara used two KKM jutsu a person can't use a greater power of they don't possess it. In other words it's up in the air in Madara's case and it's likely a databook error.
If you're talking about IT, then obito himself was using it before in the manga:
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And Madara used the smaller form of it in the cave
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If you're saying that Divine emergency forest then you should know that emergency forest is used by hashirama constantly.
So what KKM jutsus did Madara use?
It's the common concensus that they are around the same level especially with the Tenseigan. Only the Juubi Jin version of Hagoromo is the one who is considered to be above him. Juubi Jin Hagoromo who happens to be inferior to Kaguya as he admitted himself.
Hamura was strong enough to close the gap in power needed to seal her away or rather the Juubi who happened to have the chakra that Hagoromo decided to share with humanity during his reign as a Juubi Jin. What was left of its chakra was used to create the Bijuu which is the version that was restored during the war (by bringing the chakra of the Bijuu into the Gedo).
Naruto and Sasuke would've lost if it wasn't for Obito's power to synchronize with her dimensions. Besides, the fighting at the end was rushed when both she and Madara got the same treatment. That being PIS. Kishi had a deadline.
What the Anime showed is filler and isn't taken seriously due to the fact that it contradicts the manga in several places. I'll let you guess which ones.
If you're talking about IT, then obito himself was using it before in the manga:
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And Madara used the smaller form of it in the cave
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If you're saying that Divine emergency forest then you should know that emergency forest is used by hashirama constantly.
So what KKM jutsus did Madara use?
Obito wanted to use the jutsu but didn't that doesn't leave much wiggle room for him. Hashirama's jutsu isn't a KKM and therfore disqualified from the equation altogether. Madara's genjutsu was to show Obito how IT would work and the mechanics behind it, it wasn't and never will be the IT.
Let's go to the databook on the two KKM jutsu, look at what they're listed as and who the users are.
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The English databook scan confirms the order of the databook and how it should be read. The Japanese raw is so you can check the corresponding layout and boxes. You can ascertain how kekkei Mora is spelt in Japanese. The only important parts of this scan are Kekkei Mora, ninjutsu, genjutsu symbol, number 1 so the classification can be checked and number 3 so the users can be identified.
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The Japanese scans confirming the spelling of both Madara's and Kaguya's names.
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The IT, is listed as genjutsu, kekkei Mora in the users box the name's of Madara and Kaguya are found.
The Nativity of a word of trees is listed as Ninjutsu, kekkei Mora and in the users box the name's of Kaguya and Madara are found.
I think the evidence should more than clear up Madara Uchiha's capacity as a Kekkei Mora user.
