How Truth-seeking orbs and TBBRS work (clash of the opinions and inconsistencies)

[Sennin of Logic]

So what your saying is that it works like a super versatile particle style with an adaptable shell to form the shape of the disentigration?

Kinda yeah, but it's only truly effective when engulfing its target like Particle style.



@Kidgamer


It's 9:00pm. I'm not debating at this sort of time. I'll counter tomorrow.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

KKG being superior than single elemental jutsu doesn't mean that the Gudo Dama does everything Jinton does but better, because it has more elements. It would, assuming your statement is correct, mean that its overall better than Jinton, which it is. As it is solid, blocks things as powerful as Bijuu Dama with little damage, and can be manipulated.





He said its similar not the same as Jinton. Thus it disintegrates things, not as powerful as Jinton of course.


There is no "box" that contains Jinton. The whole box is Jinton, the main effect is only applied to things inside the box though. The Gudo Dama don't always disintegrate on touch because the user wills it not to, or because force isn't being applied to the target with the Gudo Dama, probably the latter.

ow, here's a question, then is there any way they can be used to disintegrate? The answer is yes. It can do this when used in the same way as particle style.









Being able to disintegrate things=/=Being equal to Jinton.

-Sasuke's Susanoo blocked the Gudo Dama.

-Jinton plowed through V3 Susanoo.

Its as clear as day that Jinton>Gudo Dama when it comes to disintegrating things.


Lol. All he did was combine it with Bijuu Dama, which let him expand it to that shape. Them being able to manipulate their Gudo Dama isn't anything new, as shown by Obito. He didn't combine any KKG with it, especially since Kurama has no KKG.





No, its not. Where are you getting this stuff from? The Gudo Dama come built in with all the chakra natures. Wind, Fire, Water, Earth, Lightning, Yin and Yang. Nothing is added to it at all. Kaguya's is only larger because she's far above Naruto, Madara, and Obito. She didn't layer multiple KKG into her orb to make it stronger, nor did Naruto ever do that.



This amplifies strength, but doesn't matter unless you can prove Gudo Dama=Jinton when it comes to destructive power, and you can't do that.



Nope. Kurama Avatar Bijuu Dama at its biggest>>>>>Any BDFRS.

1. Are you seriously implying that something that not only has more natures, but is constructed out of 6 paths senjutsu chakra, is inferior to particle style?! As for your examples against it, I've already explained that. TSBs only activate their true use when expanding and engulfing the enemy like particle style.


2. The forming of a TBB was never shown. In fact, Naruto probably only called it TBBRS because the TSBs are made from the chakra of the bijus.


3. Um, then why did they bring up the diverse nature types of Kaguya while talking about the TSB? That doesn't make much sense if BZ just jabbered on about that for no reason.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Are you seriously implying that something that not only has more natures, but is constructed out of 6 paths senjutsu chakra, is inferior to particle style?! As for your examples against it, I've already explained that. TSBs only activate their true use when expanding and engulfing the enemy like particle style.

Lol, did you even read my post? Overall, Gudo Dama>Jinton. In the disintegration aspect, Jinton>>Gudo Dama. Gudo Dama being made from more natures and stronger chakra isn't evidence for you to say that every aspect of it is better than every aspect of Jinton. If I used this logic, it'd trump PS when it comes to defensive capabilities, but that is false, as PS tanked a Bijuu Dama, whereas a Bijuu Sized Rasengan cracked the Gudo Dama, and a Bijuu Dama made a hole.

Based on what? The Gudo Dama disintegrate, that doesn't change no matter what form its in. Gudo Dama hit Sasuke's Susanoo and failed to vaporize it, Jinton plows through Susanoo with ease. Its obvious which one is stronger.

2. The forming of a TBB was never shown. In fact, Naruto probably only called it TBBRS because the TSBs are made from the chakra of the bijus.

Um, no, they aren't made from the chakra of the Bijuu. Don't know where that came from. Its called BDRS, because it combines a Gudo Dama, a Bijuu Dama, and Wind Natured Chakra. No reason to call on Kurama if he isn't using Bijuu Dama at all.

3. Um, then why did they bring up the diverse nature types of Kaguya while talking about the TSB? That doesn't make much sense if BZ just jabbered on about that for no reason.

It wasn't for no reason, because we didn't know what the Gudo Dama were until he stated that.

 

[Xlad]

I disagree on the last part. TSBs is made of six chakra natures (Yin or Yang by themselves aren't considered actual elements). Black Zetsu's statement on "chakra natures" is referring to the basic natures composing the TSBs. That's why it is referred to as a Kekkei Moura, which exceeds the Kekkei Tota since it combines all six three elements together. Not multiple KKGs.
Elemental Kekkei Genkai's has always been established has having a combination of multiple basic natures. But nothing has ever suggested that multiple KKGs themselves can be combined. Black Zetsu has already mentioned exactly what the Orbs are composed of. He would have explicitly said that Kekkei Genkais themselves are components if that was the case.

 

[Seventh Sama]

TBS can pretty much erase anything that doesn't have senjutsu in it.

 

[TrollKing]

Base balls = wheelchair susanoo's arrows

Enhanced balls(Bijuudama Rasenshuriken) > wheelchair susanoo's arrows