How Tobi Really Evaded Amaterasu

[ComplexCity]

Please enlighten me on when I was proven wrong.

ComplexCity mostly. There were others but I don't remember who they were.

As I stated before, no one has said anything like this recently via the search box. The only reason you made this was to try and disprove my view on what happened in that exchange all this could have been done in the thread we were discussing it in

 

[The Necromancer]

As I stated before, no one has said anything like this recently via the search box. The only reason you made this was to try and disprove my view on what happened in that exchange

How does that at all infer that I made this thread for you?

I made this thread to educate. I was asked who disagreed. I told them. Your mind works in strange ways.

Now unless you have something to post that isn't spam, I'm done with this conversation.

 

[The Necromancer]

Of course you are, because of course when you have nothing to say you throw a pissy fit.


First question: Why wasn't Obito burnt and his clothes still intact?

1. His clothes are black and it's dark. You wouldn't see it even if they were.
2. This Amaterasu wasn't focused, and thus wasn't as powerful or fast burning.
3. Obito has one of the fastest reaction times in the manga. He easily has the feats to be able to turn on Kamui before any damage was done.
4. Kishimoto is human, and doesn't always include the most minute details such as 2 inches of singed clothing.

Next?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1. His clothes are black and it's dark. You wouldn't see it even if they were.
2. This Amaterasu wasn't focused, and thus wasn't as powerful or fast burning.
3. Obito has one of the fastest reaction times in the manga. He easily has the feats to be able to turn on Kamui before any damage was done.
4. Kishimoto is human, and doesn't always include the most minute details such as 2 inches of singed clothing.

Next?

Or you can tell him that Izanagi doesn't restore broken mask or burnt clothing. So if he used izanagi on amatersu, his clothing would still be burned off

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[The Necromancer]

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What kind of retarded......

Obito has light skin, if his clothes were burnt off we would clearly be able to see his arm

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The fact that it burnt a hole through this "dark" cloak shows how dumb this point is



You're reach and desperate is so apparent

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Was Sasuke even looking at Karin there?




Both points above are irrelevant. The fire was already on him, yet you stated he phased through them,since when does Kamui have the ability to negate damage?. Amateratsu damaged Karin in a mere matter of seconds what do point 3 and 4 have anything to do with your horrible argument?

Now now, let's keep the "R" word to a minimum. Don't want the mods to see it again do we?

The fact is it doesn't matter what you say. Izanagi doesn't restore clothing, so Izanagi is already off the table by your logic, and these points don't refute any of the concrete facts I've posted in the OP, so all you're really doing here is focusing on the most irrelevant details.

 

[End of Days]

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On the contrary this scan tries to make it seem as though izanagi is obito's trump card rather than kamui.

And if konan knew about kamui surely itachi did too. Obito saying "I kept a few secrets from itachi" could easily be refered to izanagi.

 

[DominiqueX]

When Madara has time to make a striptease in order to get rid of the black flames, then Obito can easily evade it with Kamui. Just want to leave this here.

This guy never learns anything. Don't waste your precious time, mister Necromancer.

 

[The Necromancer]

On the contrary this scan tries to make it seem as though izanagi is obito's trump card rather than kamui.

And if konan knew about kamui surely itachi did too. Obito saying "I kept a few secrets from itachi" could easily be refered to izanagi.

The databook states that Obito refused to use Kamui around other Akatsuki members, keeping it a secret from them.

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When Madara has time to make a striptease in order to get rid of the black flames, then Obito can easily evade it with Kamui. Just want to leave this here.

This guy never learns anything. Don't waste your precious time, mister Necromancer.

I never waste my time. Haha. The second this inevitably turns into a pissing contest, I'm done.

I'm just trying to educate the uneducated. But no one can force someone to want to learn.

 

[ComplexCity]

Now now, let's keep the "R" word to a minimum. Don't want the mods to see it again do we?

The fact is it doesn't matter what you say. Izanagi doesn't restore clothing, so Izanagi is already off the table by your logic, and these points don't refute any of the concrete facts I've posted in the OP, so all you're really doing here is focusing on the most irrelevant details.

@Bold
How is it irrelevant when it contradicts your entire thread? Nice refuting btw


I really can't believe what my eyes are seeing. Please explain to me what clothes have to do with anything when Izanagi can be used at different locations and times?

When Madara has time to make a striptease in order to get rid of the black flames, then Obito can easily evade it with Kamui. Just want to leave this here.

This guy never learns anything. Don't waste your precious time, mister Necromancer.

I know you have me blocked but the fact that you think Madara just took off his clothes when Amateratsu spreads shows how incompetent you are

The databook states that Obito refused to use Kamui around other Akatsuki members, keeping it a secret from them.

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I never waste my time. Haha. The second this inevitably turns into a pissing contest, I'm done.

I'm just trying to educate the uneducated. But no one can force someone to want to learn.

Educating the uneducated? You ignored my whole post because you deemed it as "irrelevant little details"

 

[The Necromancer]

@Bold
How is it irrelevant when it contradicts your entire thread? Nice refuting btw


I really can't believe what my eyes are seeing. Please explain to me what clothes have to do with anything when Izanagi can be used at different locations and times?

Yes. It is irrelevant, as it contradicts nothing. You realize you're trying to debate numerous facts from the mouth of the author himself with an absence of burnt clothes, right?

In all honestly, I can't explain Izanagi and clothing any more simply. Read the manga I guess? I can't help you there.

 

[ComplexCity]

Yes. It is irrelevant, as it contradicts nothing. You realize you're trying to debate numerous facts from the mouth of the author himself with an absence of burnt clothes, right?

In all honestly, I can't explain Izanagi and clothing any more simply. Read the manga I guess? I can't help you there.

Ok so again I ask where is the damage from Amateratsu? Kamui does not negate damage if he phased through it, his clothes should be burnt just as quickly as Karin cloak was burnt

 

[DominiqueX]

I never waste my time. Haha. The second this inevitably turns into a pissing contest, I'm done.

I'm just trying to educate the uneducated. But no one can force someone to want to learn.

Good.

@bold
yeah, that's sadly true. I mean you could slap this kind of people with a book to the face all day, they still wouldn't learn anything. The databook-scan should be enough to end this discussion to be honest.

 

[The Necromancer]

Ok so again I ask where is the damage from Amateratsu? Kamui does not negate damage if he phased through it, his clothes should be burnt just as quickly as Karin cloak was burnt

Obito used Kamui before there was any damage. It's as simple as that. Occams Razor is OP.

Good.

@bold
yeah, that's sadly true. I mean you could slap this kind of people with a book to the face all they, they still wouldn't learn anything. The databook-scan should be enough to end this discussion to be honest.

Indeed, I thought it was. Yet here we are, with irrefutable facts being attacked by the absence of singed clothing.

 

[ComplexCity]

Obito used Kamui before there was any damage. It's as simple as that. Occams Razor is OP.

???


Holy S**t

Obito didn't run to the dark spot in the cave, he stumbled back. Given that Karin's cloak was burnt in a matter of seconds, how does this argument make a bit of sense?

 

[The Necromancer]

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Holy S**t

Obito didn't run to the dark spot in the cave, he stumbled back. Given that Karin's cloak was burnt in a matter of seconds, how does this argument make a bit of sense?

It doesn't have to make sense. How many other times has Amaterasu's burning speed been inconsistent? Kishimoto (the author of the manga) has already told you how it was done. It's over. You lost. Get over it.

Let's tally up the score, just for fun.

Evidence for Kamui: 3.
Evidence against Kamui: Maybe 1. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it 1.

Evidence for Izanagi: 0.
Evidence against Izanagi: 3.




In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.
— Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953), p. 95

 

[ComplexCity]

It doesn't have to make sense. How many other times has Amaterasu's burning speed been inconsistent? Kishimoto (the author of the manga) has already told you how it was done. It's over. You lost. Get over it.

When you make a thread to make your point of view factual it has to make sense. You calling it's speed inconsistent (when it's been used on different things that have different tolerances to burning/melting points) doesn't help your argument in the slightest. Both your points have been refuted in have what's been another bias thread.


Can't believe I'm doing this

First his shoulder catches fire:

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. Almost completely engulfed by flames here:

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. The flames are still spreading as he's screaming -

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. Yet he appears with his clothes in perfect condition here:

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. Where are the burn marks on his shoulders or anywhere on his clothes? Read the Izanagi explanation within the quote marks. I mean, Are you telling me this is Kamui? Okay.

 

[End of Days]

The databook states that Obito refused to use Kamui around other Akatsuki members, keeping it a secret from them.

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ANd yet konan knew everything about it.

You have to understand about databooks is that they don't always give accurate info, they are meant to arouse curiousity among readers for the upcoming manga as a supplementary reading

Hence they use cryptic/double meaning statements often and sometimes things that get contradicted later on

 

[The Necromancer]

Can't believe I'm doing this

Can't believe I'm doing this.

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ANd yet konan knew everything about it.

You have to understand about databooks is that they don't always give accurate info, they are meant to arouse curiousity among readers as a supplementary reading

That just means that Obito didn't have all the facts. Not that the facts were wrong.

Obito attempted to keep his Kamui a secret. Fact.
Obito did not succeed in keeping his Kamui a secret. Fact.
Obito claimed to have kept his Kamui a secret from Itachi. Fact.
Obito was successful in keeping his Kamui from Itachi. Apparently Fact based on all available evidence.

Occams Razor, once again. There is no evidence of Izanagi being used, and there is much evidence of Kamui being used. Therefore, despite any minor inconsistencies, it is clear which ability is more likely to have been used.

 

[ComplexCity]

Can't believe I'm doing this.

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Izanagi transcends time and space


What's your point?

 

[The Necromancer]

Izanagi transcends time and space


What's your point?

The point is Izanagi A. Didn't exist at the time, and B. Is not alluded to, mentioned, or even pictured in this scan anywhere.

The entire post is specifically about Kamui. It even gives you an arrow describing yet again how it happens, and a picture showing you what ability it is referring to, because Kishimoto knows that there are dumb people out there who will try to apply one description to an entire separate ability that hadn't even been showcased yet.