How the hell do people think that EMS Madara would beat...

[Styles]

Literally Kurama alone would rek let alone Iso Susano'o. Madara would rape.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

this is bad logic. Madara didn't take the Gokage seriously until he decided to used his mech, plus being ET'd didn't mean his chakra was always at the max. He was simply so powerful, all the techniques he used took relatively small amounts to use.

No, no that's not what happened. He said he wanted to test the Gokage's powers, which means he didn't change the volume of his techniques at all. You can't say he's holding back after using Tengai Shinsei, that doesn't make sense when it's a rinnegan technique that was said to be the power of six path. He used Susanoo to its fullest capability and he even went as far as trying to kill them if not for Tsunade.
Ems Madara could not even compare to the level of power he used against he Gokages without the Kyubi.

You forget that Hashirama stated he and EMS Madara were individually = a whole Kurama at the least. Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen, and Tsunade are clearly outmatched based off that fact alone.

He never said that at all.

 

[SeveN797]

Madara doesn't beat them, but his Perfect Susanoo does, also why make new thread when original already has 4 pages and with better answers.

 

[WalksInShadows]

No, no that's not what happened. He said he wanted to test the Gokage's powers, which means he didn't change the volume of his techniques at all.

you don't even realize how much you contradicted yourself here.

For starters, he said he wanted to test the Gokage in and of itself meant he had 0 intentions in going all out from the very beginning. He even started out with his avatar, even though it was already shown beforehand that it wasn't near being the best card he had up his sleeve.

Secondly, around the time he used the Moku clones, he pretty much mocked the kage that they weren't putting up a good enough effort to try out more of Hashirama's jutsu.

You're too focused on the scale of the techniques Madara was using and not enough on how much effort he was actually using to fight.

You can't say he's holding back after using Tengai Shinsei, that doesn't make sense when it's a rinnegan technique that was said to be the power of six path.
He used Susanoo to its fullest capability and he even went as far as trying to kill them if not for Tsunade.

except none of that has anything to do with what happened after the Raikage and Mei showed up.

Ems Madara could not even compare to the level of power he used against he Gokages without the Kyubi.

this logic is ass backwards. Aside from being able to use Preta, having Hashirama's Moku techs only made him harder for weaker opponents to beat, not stronger. Seeing Madara's PS made it abundantly clear that Madara was toying with them from the very beginning, and the Gokage getting off paneled with presumably mnimal effort drove the point home even further.

He never said that at all.

then you clearly haven't read/paid enough attention to the part where Hashirama and Madara stopped fighting when they sensed the collective power of Minato and Naruto's BMs.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Amaterasu
Susanoo: Perfect form
Izanagi
Summoning Jutsu: Gedo Statue
Yasaka Magatama

And most of all teh most op technique

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Kishi couldnt kill him

he said ems madara not rinnegan he can summon gedo with ems

 

[Rikudo no Sasuke]

Minato and Tobirama would babyshake ems madara.

madara beat minato, kakashi and gaara at the same time using only his taijutsu.
notice: madara used a mere taijutsu, and it has nothing to do with juubi's power

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[Styles]

Madara doesn't beat them, but his Perfect Susanoo does, also why make new thread when original already has 4 pages and with better answers.

:lol What?

 

[Rikudo no Sasuke]

madara has two mangekyou abilities beside susanoo
but kishimoto .....

 

[SeveN797]

:lol What?

He wins with Susanoo but loses without it what you don't understand?

 

[Styles]

He wins with Susanoo but loses without it what you don't understand?

He still wins even without it. He still have Kurama.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

you don't even realize how much you contradicted yourself here.

For starters, he said he wanted to test the Gokage in and of itself meant he had 0 intentions in going all out from the very beginning. He even started out with his avatar, even though it was already shown beforehand that it wasn't near being the best card he had up his sleeve.

He's testing them with a ray of jutsus in his disposal but the intent is still to kill since he actually killed them

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. The fact that Tsunade was severed in half is a result that Madara did

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too.

Secondly, around the time he used the Moku clones, he pretty much mocked the kage that they weren't putting up a good enough effort to try out more of Hashirama's jutsu.

Where? He didn't say anything about it at all, even Raikage was one arming it with less than half his chakra. Did you forget that the Gokages defeated all

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You're too focused on the scale of the techniques Madara was using and not enough on how much effort he was actually using to fight.

According to him, he tried.

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except none of that has anything to do with what happened after the Raikage and Mei showed up.

Yes it did if Oonoki and gaara stopped it.

this logic is ass backwards. Aside from being able to use Preta, having Hashirama's Moku techs only made him harder for weaker opponents to beat, not stronger. Seeing Madara's PS made it abundantly clear that Madara was toying with them from the very beginning, and the Gokage getting off paneled with presumably mnimal effort drove the point home even further.

What's ass backwards is the fact that you're justifying edo madara with six path unlimited chakra using Perfect Susano'o against a bunch of Gokages with no chakra left?
Let's seriously drop the speculations of holding back when there is no such thing as a restraint absorption technique or a restraint Wood Style: Deep Forest Bloom. Just remind yourself that Ems Madara doesn't have any of these.
Yasaka no Magatama was blocked, fire style was countered, and Genjutsu was released so what resort does Ems Madara have? Kyubi summoning and Perfect Susanoo, which is the reason why Tobirama would be a good match up against given experience.

then you clearly haven't read/paid enough attention to the part where Hashirama and Madara stopped fighting when they sensed the collective power of Minato and Naruto's BMs.

You clearly didn't read at all. It's just BM naruto's chakra that Hashirama sensed in the alliance, because all minato did was replenish the chakra Bm naruto already lost.

 

[SenseiSama]

He was an edo

So ? Alive he can fight all day against full powered Hashirama, the names you mentioned aren't doing shit.

 

[Michael]

madara beat minato, kakashi and gaara at the same time using only his taijutsu.
notice: madara used a mere taijutsu, and it has nothing to do with juubi's power

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Madara is juubi jin with rinnegan yet you say has nothing to do with juubi... :elmo:


Also op specifically stated EMS madara so please gtfoh.