[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[Mr Hiru]

This is ridiculous that people don't understand. Uchiha and Senju clans came from the two brothers. If Uzumaki is distantly related to Senju then Uzumaki is also distantly related to Uchiha automatically! Come on now... Uzumaki would be slightly closer to the Senju, but they would also have to be related to the Uchiha.

I would understand if these sons were born by natural means. But Sir Derp Obito stated that they were born in a mystical manner, meaning this that these brothers don't share DNA one respective to the other (even thought they would share the same father, they would have the exactly opposite traits, one being the yin and the other the yang). Try to think logically about the difference if the Uzumaki came before or after these brothers were born.

If the Uzumaki would came after, then the Uzumaki Clan couldn't possibly related to the Uchiha. In the other hand, if the Uzumaki came before, the Uzumaki Clan would be related to both clans. I don't argue with this, but with the curious argument Sir Derp Obito gives to discard some possibilities and accept others... he says "it's farfetched and unlikely". :| I'd like a better argument personally, but I guess it's my word against his.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This is ridiculous that people don't understand. Uchiha and Senju clans came from the two brothers. If Uzumaki is distantly related to Senju then Uzumaki is also distantly related to Uchiha automatically! Come on now... Uzumaki would be slightly closer to the Senju, but they would also have to be related to the Uchiha.

Indeed, it's just common sense. If people think that the main character's heritage is just an off-shoot of the Senjus then they are sorely mistaken, they'll see. Lol

 

[Mr Hiru]

Indeed, it's just common sense. If people think that the main character's heritage is just an off-shoot of the Senjus then they are sorely mistaken, they'll see. Lol

Common sense based purely on an assumption... right :| I guess I better get out of this thread.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Common sense based purely on an assumption... right :| I guess I better get out of this thread.

Yes, please go back to your "brilliant " thread on how the Juubi's weakness is actually loneliness

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The Juubi's Weakness: Loneliness

 

[Raekwon26]

This is ridiculous that people don't understand. Uchiha and Senju clans came from the two brothers. If Uzumaki is distantly related to Senju then Uzumaki is also distantly related to Uchiha automatically! Come on now... Uzumaki would be slightly closer to the Senju, but they would also have to be related to the Uchiha.

Hmmmm, no.

Again, Derp couldn't provide the proof and I doubt you will as well, but shoot, I'll ask.

Provide the proof that the Uzumaki and Uchiha Clan share a common trait. They share one with the Senju, if they are blood related, they should share one with the Uchiha Clan right?

So it should be easy for you to provide the scan right?

Or, you could go the Derp route and say that the trait they share is 'knowledge'.
Yeah, that makes sense............

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hmmmm, no.

Again, Derp couldn't provide the proof and I doubt you will as well, but shoot, I'll ask.

Provide the proof that the Uzumaki and Uchiha Clan share a common trait. They share one with the Senju, if they are blood related, they should share one with the Uchiha Clan right?

So it should be easy for you to provide the scan right?

Or, you could go the Derp route and say that the trait they share is 'knowledge'.
Yeah, that makes sense............

Again I will repeat my previous answer:

The mistake is the incorrect attribution of the source of their powers. The Uzumaki's longevity and life force did not come from the Younger Son, it came as an inherent trait of the Uzumaki Clan over time from their Ohzuzuki Ancestors which also includes their trademark red hair (something the Younger Son and Senjus don't have), the Younger Son's strong will and body are attributes directly from the Juubi's Yang, the zenith manifestation of this Yang power is Mokuton, the same way the Zenith powers of the Juubi's Yin is the MS and EMS. What the Senjus share in common are their strong bodies, which come from the Juubi's Yang, what all Uchihas share in commonality is the base Sharingan, which comes from the Juubi's Yin. In Summation: The Uchiha and Senju powers come directly from the Juubi, the Uzumaki's attributes does not. It came from their Ohzuzuki Ancestors.

 

[Raekwon26]

Again I will repeat my previous answer:

The mistake is the incorrect attribution of the source of their powers. The Uzumaki's longevity and life force did not come from the Younger Son, it came as an inherent trait of the Uzumaki Clan over time from their Ohzuzuki Ancestors which also includes their trademark red hair (something the Younger Son and Senjus don't have), the Younger Son's strong will and body are attributes directly from the Juubi's Yang, the zenith manifestation of this Yang power is Mokuton, the same way the Zenith powers of the Juubi's Yin is the MS and EMS. What the Senjus share in common are their strong bodies, which come from the Juubi's Yang, what all Uchihas share in commonality is the base Sharingan, which comes from the Juubi's Yin. In Summation: The Uchiha and Senju powers come directly from the Juubi, the Uzumaki's attributes does not. It came from their Ohzuzuki Ancestors.

And I'll repeat AGAIN, provide the proof of that.

Until you can provide the proof of that, the WHOLE theory is flawed.
Again, I don't care about the powers each clan have, I already told you that.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

And I'll repeat AGAIN, provide the proof of that.

Until you can provide the proof of that, the WHOLE theory is flawed.
Again, I don't care about the powers each clan have, I already told you that.

If you do not accept my explanation then there is no convincing you, I will leave you to ruminate on the subject matter by yourself.

 

[xcoyote]

Nice theory sir. xd

 

[Raekwon26]

If you do not accept my answer then there is no convincing you, I will leave you to ruminate on the subject matter by yourself.

So let me get this straight;

1. I ask for proof of the shared traits that Uzumaki and Uchiha Clan share and you show me a tablet? Yeah no. You had no answer for that question.

2. You then go on some rabble about how the sons powers come from the Juubi. I don't care where they come from. That had bearing on my question. How can the Senju and Uzumaki have a shared trait but the Uzumaki and Uchiha don't have one? Makes no sense and you have failed to provide the proof that they do.

3. Finally, the Manga states that the Uzumaki are distant BLOOD relatives of the Senju. It also, state that the Uzumaki Clan are known for their Strong Life Force, a TRAIT that they just so happen to share with their distant BLOOD relatives, the Uzumaki Clan. Yet, no where does it state that they share a common trait with the Uchiha Clan.

But, of course. The Sage decided to only have traits with one son and ignored the other.

You've refused to answer my questions and have just beat around the bush.
You couldn't provide answers to my questions and therefore, I'm done.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

So let me get this straight;

1. I ask for proof of the shared traits that Uzumaki and Uchiha Clan share and you show me a tablet? Yeah no. You had no answer for that question.

2. You then go on some rabble about how the sons powers come from the Juubi. I don't care where they come from. That had bearing on my question. How can the Senju and Uzumaki have a shared trait but the Uzumaki and Uchiha don't have one? Makes no sense and you have failed to provide the proof that they do.

3. Finally, the Manga states that the Uzumaki are distant BLOOD relatives of the Senju. It also, state that the Uzumaki Clan are known for their Strong Life Force, a TRAIT that they just so happen to share with their distant BLOOD relatives, the Uzumaki Clan. Yet, no where does it state that they share a common trait with the Uchiha Clan.

But, of course. The Sage decided to only have traits with one son and ignored the other.

You've refused to answer my questions and have just beat around the bush.
You couldn't provide answers to my questions and therefore, I'm done.

Like I said, the mistake that you and others have is the incorrect attribution of the source of Uzumaki's trait with the Senju's trait as stemming from the same source, the Senju's trait comes from the Younger Son, the Uzumaki Clan's trait along with their trademark red hair comes from their Ōtsutsuki Ancestors. The Uzumakis do not share the same trait because they did not come from the same source, they are merely alike but they don't have the same origin.

 

[tyresellers]

Makes no sense at all for his clan to have special attributes as the only members with special abilities in that clan were the Sage and his mother.


What if we are looking at this the wrong way. What if when they say the uzumaki are distant relatives it wasnt to say the

Senju are here at the top and uzumaki are diluted from them but instead the uzumaki are at the top and the senju come from their bloodline.

 

[Bronze]

Sorry derp but latest chapter makes this theory debunked and here it is:

After reading today's chapter, it basically confirms SO6P had never been uzumaki. If you guys read Sir Derp Obito's new theory of SO6P clan/surname has later lead to the foundation of Uzumaki clan, you would see its completely wrong.

I will debunk that theory using this scan:

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Obito says it himself that his body (Uchiha+Senju) is the same body to that of the sage. Obito's body itself is Uchiha and Senju:

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If Obito's body is Uchiha and Senju, and he says even SO6P has the same body:

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That also leads the possibility of the Sage having rinnegan into a fact since Uchiha+Senju=Rinnegan.

So from now, people shouldn't really pay attention to his SO6P being Uzuamki nor his clan leading birth to Uzumaki.

Thank You...Madara Rules

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Makes no sense at all for his clan to have special attributes as the only members with special abilities in that clan were the Sage and his mother.


What if we are looking at this the wrong way. What if when they say the uzumaki are distant relatives it wasnt to say the

Senju are here at the top and uzumaki are diluted from them but instead the uzumaki are at the top and the senju come from their bloodline.

You must understand, that the Senjus and Uchihas acquired their powers directly from the Juubi since they were conceived when Hagoromo was already the Juubi's Jinchūriki, the Uzumaki's life force and "special chakra " (eg. Kushina) came from their Ohzuzuki ancestors. Kaguya or Hagoromo through mystical means shared Chakra to other people and their kinsmen. The Uzumaki and Ohzuzuki bloodline being one and the same.

 

[2nd hokage]

Wait your still talking about the sages family name and again you have the wherewithal to show proof of your theory. I'm starting to belive the post about you derp you are crazy writers do not draw insperation from there history or surroundings. They don't use the own mythology as a back drop and I hate to say this but damn it you and your logic. Negitive rep to you derp


For all who don't know this post is sarcastic great post as always derp.

 

[The Sach]

Master piece by Sir Derp again, never thought about Amenonuhoko, though I knew about it, great work, simply astonishing...

 

[dario14]

Maybe rikoudo had a student WHO he taught fuinjutsu's WHO later married a early decents from the younger son decents WHO then became uzumaki clan...

 

[esenn1]

u still on that?

 

[esenn1]

the only legit in your theory is your sig

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

the Juubi is Omnipotent and I am OUT