How strong will Naruto be without a tailed beast?

[salamander uchiha]

Read title and original thread. It says nothing about Naruto not getting the arm. All it says is "How strong will Naruto be without a tailed beast? ", so most of it is left to your own interpretation. In my interpretation it is current Naruto, only without tailed beasts.

Naruto would have to lose an arm to get 1. Without his kyubi powers he would never be able to battle sasuke so if he tried he wouldn't lose an arm he would die and even if that were not the case tsunade is not known to cultivate arms from Hashi's cells so why she would do it in a non kyubi relevant naruto I have no idea.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Oops. Tired. Meant reincarnation, not descendent. Who else was one of those? Hashi so yeah.. his chakra just takes longer to blossom or w/e. You're going to stick with what you said? The 4th hokage has shitty chakra reserves apparently. I meant seals as in FTG btw. He summoned the main toad, teleported the Kyuubi, was catching TBB's and fighting Obito but you go right ahead and say that's average.

Naruto's chakra was blue so that was him to me. Kyuubi chakra had't even been introduced at that stage which meant the seal was still strong because Kurama wasn't giving him chakra voluntarily then when he gave into hatred.

Kyuubi disrupted Narutots' chakra anyway.

Hashirama didn't get a sudden chakra surge to become powerful he had his kekkei genkai the jyubi body power.
And Minato ' sage mode was shitty him teleporting a beast ball was because of fuinn jutsu not linked to huge chakra reserves. Same for teleporting kyubi kid obito summoned it and maintained it did he suddenly gain mega reserves for this. And summoning gama bunt after 3 feats he was drained. Hardly something to boast about.
Naruto being reincarnation of Ashura also means he would find it extremely hard to learn basic jutsu let alone FTG he Ashura is known for teamwork.
Does sarutobi know better about naruto seal and how minato placed it or your opinion. It was placed to leak kyubi chakra and gradually raise his reserves. And I'm sure kakashis mentions naruto's own reserves are twice his own considering kyubi leaking in over 15 years by that raising his would do that. And if we go by your logic naruto's reserves are even less since he needed kyubi chakra against negi and there was no blue in it by it running out naruto was pretty much done. And it ran out quick so naruto has even less reserves than that Pittence which the kyubi gave him.
Also the chakra naruto received was to cover naruto running out of chakra so it was pure kyubi chakra which he forced out not the gradual mix raising reserves.
If it makes you feel better you can believe your fairy tail (PS it's never said his father had huge chakra reserves so he must have) and you are fully entitled to believe it.

 

[TrollKing]

Naruto without kurama would be ms kakashi level at best which is very very powerful

 

[The Demon Hawk]

If we consider Rikodou's endowment, then he would be roughly on Ashura's level.

 

[irishboy9780]

Kage level- his natural chakra alone is 3-4 times that of kakashi who is a very high level jounin at the point this is stated in the manga. His endurance and naturally gigantic chakra reserves allow him access to SM. Jiraya was kage level without perfecting it, but naruto perfected it. He would be equal to sasuke MS without itachis eyes.

 

[Peoples Champ]

Weak. The Uchiha are Supremacy.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Stronger than alive Minato ...BWAHAHAHA bih KCM Naruto can't even react to after ftg was activated.

The only person that could was sasuke in the war. Naruto literally fell every time Minato used FTG.

(Forshadow for ameno as well)

Thus meaning Sage Mode Naruto will get shatted on .. also Minato also has sage mode sooo tf!? He don't even need it tbh and I'm pretty sure the toads would favor Minato over Naruto any day.

 

[Desanto]

Kinda pointless, this example, given that Naruto lacks the red hair that actually signify the pure Uzumaki life-force:

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Not to mention the fact that 1) Kabuto doesn't even bother listing Naruto and 2) Naruto died immediately after Kurama was pulled. Whereas Kushina 1) used chains to keep Kurama restrained till the last second, 2) and actually moved to shield Naruto as well. She would have actually lived longer had the claw not impaled her.



This thread has nothing to do with Sasuke. So I am not sure how your pile of nonsense relates to OP. Whatever I said about Naruto on the other hand is fact.

That pile of nonsense is all mangaphax, you sour puss You have the mentality of a 13 yr old female, always trying to boost your fav even if you have to sneak diss on other characters pathetic

 

[baah]

well he is still the transmigrant of ashura so he will always be equal to the transmigrant of indra....

 

[Da Best Ever]

Sm Naruto is less than bm Naruto... He wouldn't be top 20 but maybe 30

 

[Da Best Ever]

Kage level- his natural chakra alone is 3-4 times that of kakashi who is a very high level jounin at the point this is stated in the manga. His endurance and naturally gigantic chakra reserves allow him access to SM. Jiraya was kage level without perfecting it, but naruto perfected it. He would be equal to sasuke MS without itachis eyes.

No he would be less than ms sasuke... You forget genjutsu would wreck Naruto without a bijuu so having just sage mode means a quick loss against ms sasuke... Not to mention 3 tomoe cm + Orochimaru absorbed sasuke would be sm naruto's equal... His speed was top notch as seen vs deidara dodging bombs at point blank range and his jutsu arsenal was fully used not to mention flight and mastery of cm and oro's genetics even able to heal faster and body shedding jutsu and snake affinities and summons...that sasuke could possibly wreck sm Naruto

 

[Da Best Ever]

Naruto without kurama would be ms kakashi level at best which is very very powerful

Hell no.....


Kcm Naruto > sm Naruto and kcm Naruto couldn't best a single six paths edo jinchuriki nor touch rinne/ms Obito on his own somits clear to me ms kakashi > sm & kcm Naruto and maybe on par with bm Naruto for sure...

 

[KidGamer65]

As usual, some of the posts I see here are cringe worthy.

First of all, I'm going to assume that your question is basically asking how strong Naruto would be if someone took his Bijuu and not if he never had it. So he'd basically have:

-FRS and Chou FRS.
-All Rasengan variants that don't need Bijuu Chakra.
-Kage Bunshin.
-Half of Hagoromo's Chakra.
-Sage Mode.
-Toad Summons.

He's still Top 10. Easily. Given what his equal was doing with a regular Chidori in The Last, which obliterated that Meteor, imagine how powerful Chou Oodama Rasengan, or FRS would be when enhanced with Sage Mode. Only Juubi Jins, Toneri, Sasuke, and Ootsutsuki's would be above him.

 

[irishboy9780]

No he would be less than ms sasuke... You forget genjutsu would wreck Naruto without a bijuu so having just sage mode means a quick loss against ms sasuke... Not to mention 3 tomoe cm + Orochimaru absorbed sasuke would be sm naruto's equal... His speed was top notch as seen vs deidara dodging bombs at point blank range and his jutsu arsenal was fully used not to mention flight and mastery of cm and oro's genetics even able to heal faster and body shedding jutsu and snake affinities and summons...that sasuke could possibly wreck sm Naruto

Naw SM gives naruto vastly superior sensing and speed feats then MS sasuke, he can easily fight sasuke without looking into his eyes therefore no genjutsu. SM naruto is easily MS sasukes equal actually hes probabaly a bit better but thats the closest equal since if you take away bijuu gotta take away sauces stolen power of ems.

 

[SatanicGod]

Sm naruto was stronger than jirayia and tsunade who were kage mention and actual kage. Also his clone beat 3rd raikage how isn't he kage lvl now how strong is sasuke without itachis eyes not near kage lvl he struggled against kakashi got slapped around by killer bee neg diff and barely beat danzo sasuke doesn't compare to naruto besides he's narutos fanboy anyway lol

Kml he didn't struggle against Kakashi
Didn't get slapped around by Killer Bee, he even made Hachibi screech in painful agony
Danzo is kage level, even higher than Jiraiya...
And no, he isn't a Naruto fanboy like you, even to date he is the one giving Naruto the orders... And Naruto, like an obedient puppy, obeys his master

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Hashirama didn't get a sudden chakra surge to become powerful he had his kekkei genkai the jyubi body power.
And Minato ' sage mode was shitty him teleporting a beast ball was because of fuinn jutsu not linked to huge chakra reserves. Same for teleporting kyubi kid obito summoned it and maintained it did he suddenly gain mega reserves for this. And summoning gama bunt after 3 feats he was drained. Hardly something to boast about.
Naruto being reincarnation of Ashura also means he would find it extremely hard to learn basic jutsu let alone FTG he Ashura is known for teamwork.
Does sarutobi know better about naruto seal and how minato placed it or your opinion. It was placed to leak kyubi chakra and gradually raise his reserves. And I'm sure kakashis mentions naruto's own reserves are twice his own considering kyubi leaking in over 15 years by that raising his would do that. And if we go by your logic naruto's reserves are even less since he needed kyubi chakra against negi and there was no blue in it by it running out naruto was pretty much done. And it ran out quick so naruto has even less reserves than that Pittence which the kyubi gave him.
Also the chakra naruto received was to cover naruto running out of chakra so it was pure kyubi chakra which he forced out not the gradual mix raising reserves.
If it makes you feel better you can believe your fairy tail (PS it's never said his father had huge chakra reserves so he must have) and you are fully entitled to believe it.

You think being an Ashura descendent is a bad thing..Nuff said. I can't talk with you with this amount of bias. I mean holy shut. Yours is the worst I've ever seen. I'm wasting my time with what looks like an alt . I never mentioned Naruto learning FTG for a start. Common sense tells you he and his father doesn't have shitty chakra considering he was a frickin kage. Obito also has monster chakra reserves considering he has Hashirama DNA and high quality for being an Uchiha.

The Kyubi chakra vs Negi had healing properties and helped free his chakra points again. What are you even talking about. Naruto had difficulty learning jutsu due to not having parents, being a bit dim, looking for attention and goofing off as well as being an Ashura incarnation. You can't deny this. It took 3 or 4 of Minato ' guards to use FTG. Just sayin'. But nah. Any fodder can do that by themselves ...

Maybe you're right and everyone including the 4th and Obito are shit 9.9

 

[Liquid Snake]

Kml he didn't struggle against Kakashi
Didn't get slapped around by Killer Bee, he even made Hachibi screech in painful agony
Danzo is kage level, even higher than Jiraiya...
And no, he isn't a Naruto fanboy like you, even to date he is the one giving Naruto the orders... And Naruto, like an obedient puppy, obeys his master

He struggled mightily against kakashi he had to be healed twice against killer bee who played with them and was a clone plus he admitted he always looked up to naruto . Sasuke is a better strategist than naruto also he already scoped the hideout out so it's only right he comes up with a plan and danzo isn't stronger than jirayia imo sasuke isn't on narutos lvl even with all bijuus indras arrow with intent to kill sasuke couldn't beat naruto who was only trying to save him pathetic

 

[The Demon Hawk]

As usual, some of the posts I see here are cringe worthy.

First of all, I'm going to assume that your question is basically asking how strong Naruto would be if someone took his Bijuu and not if he never had it. So he'd basically have:

-FRS and Chou FRS.
-All Rasengan variants that don't need Bijuu Chakra.
-Kage Bunshin.
-Half of Hagoromo's Chakra.
-Sage Mode.
-Toad Summons.

He's still Top 10. Easily. Given what his equal was doing with a regular Chidori in The Last, which obliterated that Meteor, imagine how powerful Chou Oodama Rasengan, or FRS would be when enhanced with Sage Mode. Only Juubi Jins, Toneri, Sasuke, and Ootsutsuki's would be above him.

I agree with everything except @bold.

1. It wasn't regular Chidori.
2. Without Kurama, he would be close to Ashura's level. It's above Toneri for what I can say.

Correct me on the second one though.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with everything except @bold.

1. It wasn't regular Chidori.
2. Without Kurama, he would be close to Ashura's level. It's above Toneri for what I can say.

Correct me on the second one though.

1. It was, and even if it wasn't, the strongest variant of Chidori that Sasuke has is the original. So that'd only help my point even more.

2. He's nowhere near Ashura's level without Kurama. The bulk of his power comes from Kurama and the Bijuu. Without Bijuu he can't fight against a PS enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra, yet Ashura fought against Indra's PS, who inherited Hagoromo's strong chakra. Then there's the fact that Toneri canonically fought on par with a BSM Naruto who had half of Hagoromo's chakra, so there is no way he loses to regular SM Naruto w/ half of Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

1. It was, and even if it wasn't, the strongest variant of Chidori that Sasuke has is the original. So that'd only help my point even more.

Yeah, kind of. It's just based on his regular Chidori attack, but it's the strongest magnitude and empowered by Six Paths chakra I guess. Just like Naruto's strongest attacks are based on his Rasenshuriken, the regular one. That still doesn't make them regular Rasenshuriken attacks. Each magnitude of Rasenshuriken is differentiated by its corresponding power.

2. He's nowhere near Ashura's level without Kurama. The bulk of his power comes from Kurama and the Bijuu. Without Bijuu he can't fight against a PS enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra, yet Ashura fought against Indra's PS, who inherited Hagoromo's strong chakra. Then there's the fact that Toneri canonically fought on par with a BSM Naruto who had half of Hagoromo's chakra, so there is no way he loses to regular SM Naruto w/ half of Hagoromo's chakra.

Technically, Six Paths Sage Mode is Hagoromo's chakra used for Sage Mode. So he will have Six Paths Sage Mode still, just without tailed beast attributes. That power would be watered down a bit, but near Ashura's level. I'm not going to go on and compare him with Sasuke, but Toneri, I will. Toneri fought on par with BSM Naruto i.e. Kurama's chakra used for Sage Mode. And Six Paths chakra is equal if not stronger than Kurama's chakra, which will probably make his Six Paths Sage Mode equal or slightly stronger than BSM even without Kurama. Just excluding the Kurama Avatar. But again, he could make a small Avatar just like Ashura's Avatar (only the size of PS face) if Kurama was removed relying on his own Six Paths chakra.