[Question] how strong is marco the phoenix?

[Vandenre1ch]

What does that mean or have to do with my post? If anything I think Jozu is above the likes of Doflamingo.

U make it look like Marco was immediately beaten once he was off-guard, Kizaru wasnt beating him if anything he attacked him from behind with the lasers but Marco was strong enough to keep going after WB, it was Onigumo that ended his demise when he put the kairoseki cuffs on him, basically any top-tier would be beaten if they had cuffs on.

I also dont think that the guy is as strong as other Yonkos/Admirals, but u made him look like a chump which he completely isnt, he would give any admiral/Yonko a good high-diff fight, no more or less.

The fact that he was mentioned in the the same breath as the other Yonkos talks volume about him, whether u like it or not that's how he was portrayed by the Gorosei itself, thinking that he was called so just because he knows Teach is an completely baseless assumption that doesnt really makes sense at all.

You claimed I knew something when I thought the opposite. I was just doing the same thing. Instead of seeing things from my point of view and replying accordingly, you just called it baseless and indirectly said that I knew you were right.

Wasn't making Marco look like a chump. Kizaru said he was careless and forgot about Marco's healing. He would've killed Marco after that distraction if he remembered. Marco can obviously hold his own against Admiral. We saw it with Kizaru but he cant beat him since it one distraction to "kill him."

When BB first got the gura fruit, he still wasn't strong enough to beat an admiral and its unclear if Marco could beat that BB or not. The only pirates who could stop BB was a yonkou or Marco maybe. Don't want that conversation to be misunderstood as "Marco is yonkou level."

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Marco is in the same tier as Sabo, Old Rayleigh, and Beckman.

 

[shivjee]

a bit lower than yonkou

 

[ItachiOfKonoha]

beckman is one of the smartest characters in one piece world...... he is above sabo

 

[BSK]

Admiral level but but he canot beat akainu but he could beat Aoki jin and kizaru or lose to them extreme diff.

 

[Relostar Devil]

One level up than shichibukai and one level down the admirals.

 

[bajram]

You claimed I knew something when I thought the opposite. I was just doing the same thing. Instead of seeing things from my point of view and replying accordingly, you just called it baseless and indirectly said that I knew you were right.

Wasn't making Marco look like a chump. Kizaru said he was careless and forgot about Marco's healing. He would've killed Marco after that distraction if he remembered. Marco can obviously hold his own against Admiral. We saw it with Kizaru but he cant beat him since it one distraction to "kill him."

When BB first got the gura fruit, he still wasn't strong enough to beat an admiral and its unclear if Marco could beat that BB or not. The only pirates who could stop BB was a yonkou or Marco maybe. Don't want that conversation to be misunderstood as "Marco is yonkou level."

Uhhh....

Not really, there was no sign of Marco's regenerating ability getting weaker by that time, so there wasnt possibly any way for Kizau to actually kill him by then, but Onigumo made it very easy for him, again I never implied that he can beat Kizaru its just that it wont be wasy for anyone to take on marco like its a piece of cake, manga portrayal and feats have proven that for him.

He was said to be strong enough to put a stop at him, so by default Marco was strong enough to take on Gura BB pre-skip, if he couldnt he wouldnt be mentioned in that sentence. Again I never implied that Marco was Yonko level, but there are some ppl who put Marco in the same level as Doflamingo or Sabo, I mean really?

 

[Black Mamba]

He's admiral level, he was clearly fighting on par with admirals in the war arc.

 

[Professor Verde]

He beats an admiral

I'd say Mihawk's level. He beats an admiral but loses to a yonkou.

 

[ultraChalk]

A tad stronger than Sabo.

 

[HODGYLONG]

If he fights an admiral (except for akainu), he could win or lose.

 

[Rιver]

Not really. It wasn't even a fight, it was a minor scuffle. Not enough to determine the result of an entire fight. The only time one can is if someone as completely blown out of water.

Law and Luffy was slated to be 100 times weaker than Ray and they withstood his Haoshoku easily. Marco could be anywhere between 100 and 10 thinkers weaker than Shanks.

You have a point there.

 

[ItachiOfKonoha]

clearly during marineford arc when Marco was flying to get to ace kizaru could have stop him but he stood there saying this is bad

 

[MickNerks]

All I know is that he is weaker than current Rayleigh